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when do you think maay and maxatiri diverged?The situation between Maay and Maxaa tiri is that of between northern and southern French, the langue 'doil (Northern French) and langue d'oc (southern French). Northern and southern French both strongly identify as French, and for political reasons both are considered dialects of French, however a speaker of Normaund dialect cannot understand a speaker of Provençal dialect. This isn't that big of a deal since they both learn Parisian dialect in school (Standard French). This issue is compounded by the fact that French is a dialect continuum, everyone can understand the neighboring dialect, just not one from very far away.
Language vs dialect is ultimately more about politics than about language. Scanian dialect of Swedish for instance is only slightly different from standard Danish, and is closer to Danish than Swedish, Sweden conquered it from Denmark about 350 years ago. Swedish and Danish are themselves very similar, and for political reasons Scanian is considered a Swedish dialect and not a Danish one (except by Danes). Maay is basically the dialect continuum between Somali and Borana, which was probably the same language about 1500-2000 years ago, and has been slowly diverging ever since.
Langues d'oïl, Langues d'oc and Franco-Provençal are dielects not languages. Any French speaker won't have problem understanding it.when do you think maay and maxatiri diverged?The situation between Maay and Maxaa tiri is that of between northern and southern French, the langue 'doil (Northern French) and langue d'oc (southern French). Northern and southern French both strongly identify as French, and for political reasons both are considered dialects of French, however a speaker of Normaund dialect cannot understand a speaker of Provençal dialect. This isn't that big of a deal since they both learn Parisian dialect in school (Standard French). This issue is compounded by the fact that French is a dialect continuum, everyone can understand the neighboring dialect, just not one from very far away.
Language vs dialect is ultimately more about politics than about language. Scanian dialect of Swedish for instance is only slightly different from standard Danish, and is closer to Danish than Swedish, Sweden conquered it from Denmark about 350 years ago. Swedish and Danish are themselves very similar, and for political reasons Scanian is considered a Swedish dialect and not a Danish one (except by Danes). Maay is basically the dialect continuum between Somali and Borana, which was probably the same language about 1500-2000 years ago, and has been slowly diverging ever since.
and when do you think somali languages like maay and maxatitri diverged from borana.
i think 2000 years is too recent.
occupation and lifestyle is very important, for example nomadic languages evolve very slowly do to the importance of poetry and communication
while settled people develop dialects and accents more frequently.
and lastly i am very interested in camels, their geneology, how does the somali camel compare to the arabian camel, or a beja camel?
and when did it enter our lands and when did we leave cows for the camel, this event is probably the crucial point where we diverged from other custhic groups primarily the oromo.
Actually, except for the politics, I am fairly certain Maxaatiri is a dialect of Maay. It's that Rahanweyn group that has all the linguistic diversity. The Somali group doesn't show up historically until about 1300.Grant,
I think Maay is a separate unique language . Maxatiri is a pidgin Maay corrupted by Arabic, Hindi,
Couldnt have said it better myself. For political reasons somalia should be wise and only make it into dialect. I dont see the problem with keeping it as a dialect. like the examples many people displayed of other countries doing the same thing. Like Cantonese & Mandarin etc.The situation between Maay and Maxaa tiri is that of between northern and southern French, the langue 'doil (Northern French) and langue d'oc (southern French). Northern and southern French both strongly identify as French, and for political reasons both are considered dialects of French, however a speaker of Normaund dialect cannot understand a speaker of Provençal dialect. This isn't that big of a deal since they both learn Parisian dialect in school (Standard French). This issue is compounded by the fact that French is a dialect continuum, everyone can understand the neighboring dialect, just not one from very far away.
Language vs dialect is ultimately more about politics than about language.
People officially lost the plot when they said Af Maxa is an unpure of shot of Maay . Having some "Hindi and Arabics" does not make Af Maxa "Corrupted " in terms of what matters such as morphology (from what I know) and the general root features of the language, it is not mixed because in what actually matters and what linguists actually study about a language to establish its language branch and family; Somali is solidly Cushitic. The words in a language don't decide what language family or branch iGrant,
I think Maay is a separate unique language . Maxatiri is a pidgin Maay corrupted by Arabic, Hindi,
So basically this divide is pushed by Bantus? So Now i get it this push for Af Maay being a seperate language is the Bantus plot in convincing how Non Somali Raxanweyn is.Mighty,
The present figure who most closely applies the concept of ignoring the Minorities is Ahmed Madobe, who got special mention in the UN Monitoring Group's report for 2015. As more studies like those of Kuusow, Eno and Besteman come out, the more difficult it will be for political figures like this to monopolize power. Once Kenya leaves or the Gosha arm, the Middle Juba at least will revert to something closer to one man-one vote, which has to be good for stability and progress in the region.
The lie that has said for too long that Somalis are all the same and speak the same language has to go. The truth is that Somalia has long been a multi-cultural country with multiple languages. Denying that is just continuing to hold everyone back.
Now you posted a long disproven theory, that got thrown in the the trash bin after archeological discoveries down north. Somalis migrated from the northern Somali peninsula.And no. The current thinking is that the northern clans went north before they came south.
http://countrystudies.us/somalia/3.htm
The Somalis form a subgroup of the Omo-Tana called Sam. Having split from the main stream of Cushite peoples about the first half of the first millennium B.C., the proto-Sam appear to have spread to the grazing plains of northern Kenya, where protoSam communities seem to have followed the Tana River and to have reached the Indian Ocean coast well before the first century A.D. On the coast, the proto-Sam splintered further; one group (the Boni) remained on the Lamu Archipelago, and the other moved northward to populate southern Somalia. There the group's members eventually developed a mixed economy based on farming and animal husbandry, a mode of life still common in southern Somalia. Members of the proto-Sam who came to occupy the Somali Peninsula were known as the so-called Samaale, or Somaal, a clear reference to the mythical father figure of the main Somali clan-families, whose name gave rise to the term Somali.
The Samaale again moved farther north in search of water and pasturelands. They swept into the vast Ogaden (Ogaadeen) plains, reaching the southern shore of the Red Sea by the first century A.D.
1- Musa Haji Ismail Galal was a Polymath like Osman Yusuf Kenadid basically a writer more of a historian not a certified linguistRegarding Prof. Mansuur first video
1- He claimed Musa Haji Ismail Jalal is not linguist. If he is not, who is?
2- As for Gandi, which one he is talking about? Mohamed Abdi Mohamed "Gandhi", the former President of Jubaland, or Yusuf Ismail Samatar "Gandhi", Minister of Education in Somali Republic 1962-1964? The latter is from the north and I don't think he ever talked about Maay Maay language.
Loool Your Bantu Professor Eno Can't even write proper english. Kusow and Enow need an editor, their paper has really terrible grammar.Mighty,
It seems that Mr Said M-Shidad Hussein is also an expert in the prevention of Somali droughts:
http://english.alshahid.net/archives/22442
His writing is utterly laughable and without merit. If he has any academic standing at all, I have been unable to find it. I suggest you try the Library of Congress piece again.
Of course the archaeological discoveries in the North are exciting, but there is no necessary connection to Somalis, who didn't reach the Red Sea coast until the first century.
Do you even read? Based on who? Is that why somali women have unproportional butts? to the point we call them futo baruur?If you check the Egyptian portrait of the queen of Puntland you will notice that she has pronounced Steatopygia, absolutely not a Somali trait.
Absoulute nonsense.Madiban are somalis so i dont see what you are trying to prove Raxanweyn's are somali Ethnics not a minority group as wellThe indigenous people of the Horn when the Somalis arrived were the Bon or Boonta. These became the Midgan , Madhibaan, and other despised minority groups.
http://madhibaan.org/faq/faq-history.htm
http://madhibaan.org/
The Somalis are relative latecomers.
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