Somali Character.

[Machiavelli2]

I've been wondering if we humans are both agents of good and bad deeds that contradict and renders us hypocrites. It was impossible to avoid talk and debate about current war between Galmudug and Puntland. I have seen good people emotionally get involved in support of their clans and become happy and content by hearing not only the news of victory of their clans but by civilians of the other clan fleeing their homes. These are people that you would consider to be educated, of higher integrity and are religious. If you look at the politics section of this website, there are dozens of topics relating to this event discussed by both sides supporting their respective clans and these people never fail to offer unsolicited advice or fatwas relating to other Islamic matters on this forum. The question is knowing that killing a Muslim person for political clan reasons and forcing maatida to flee their homes is a grave sin in Islam, why are we addicted to this waxash tribalism? It brings out our evilness that we try to suppress through prayers and Dua. Maybe Allah SWT knows it is not genuine from us and this halaag is a punishment.

[COOL-MAN]

You hit the nail on the head duqa

It's very hard to not take sides in this sort of conflicts. Forget about this one that involves two different clans, even when fights erupts between two sections of the same clan, people who fought from the same side earlier will face each other in inter sub sub clashes. The so called religious people are not intirely free from being bias to the side that's closest to them.

[LobsterUnit]

Coolman,
I know some people who lead juma on occasion that are first to pay the qaadhaan money.machiavelli midha qaadhaankii baa lagu yidhi bixi.

Jokes aside,the problem has nothing to do with character but the system/s Somalis employ as a social structure.literally,those who are aiding their clan see it as a matter of survival(we will be wiped out etc.)even the best amongst Somalis,will find that the enormous pressure exerted on individuals to tow the clan line too much to refuse.a Somali is essentially a walking representation of his clan.together we ride;we die is the motto.i believe the Somali clan narrative is much more powerful than most western media propaganda.

Jamaacatu DNa department of anthropology.

[COOL-MAN]

Coolman,
I know some people who lead juma on occasion that are first to pay the qaadhaan money.machiavelli midha qaadhaankii baa lagu yidhi bixi.

Jokes aside,the problem has nothing to do with character but the system/s Somalis employ as a social structure.literally,those who are aiding their clan see it as a matter of survival(we will be wiped out etc.)even the best amongst Somalis,will find that the enormous pressure exerted on individuals to tow the clan line too much to refuse.a Somali is essentially a walking representation of his clan.together we ride;we die is the motto.i believe the Somali clan narrative is much more powerful than most western media propaganda.

Jamaacatu DNa department of anthropology.

Baasto you put it better than I could ever do no matter how hard I tried. The imam of a local mosque baan fadhi reerka isugu nimid hada ka hor guess what he said? Shaqada aad wadiin waa shaqa diini ah oo haq ah. It wasn't about war but elections to beat the other clan

[BlueBlood]

Coolman,
I know some people who lead juma on occasion that are first to pay the qaadhaan money.machiavelli midha qaadhaankii baa lagu yidhi bixi.

Jokes aside,the problem has nothing to do with character but the system/s Somalis employ as a social structure.literally,those who are aiding their clan see it as a matter of survival(we will be wiped out etc.)even the best amongst Somalis,will find that the enormous pressure exerted on individuals to tow the clan line too much to refuse.a Somali is essentially a walking representation of his clan.together we ride;we die is the motto.i believe the Somali clan narrative is much more powerful than most western media propaganda.

Jamaacatu DNa department of anthropology.

Baasto you put it better than I could ever do no matter how hard I tried. The imam of a local mosque baan fadhi reerka isugu nimid hada ka hor guess what he said? Shaqada aad wadiin waa shaqa diini ah oo haq ah. It wasn't about war but elections to beat the other clan

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Somali character is what has destroyed us and will doom us to failure and ignominy. I just had a conversation with a friend of mine and I swear my head exploded with the amount of ignorance coming out of the guy's mouth. If the so called "educated" Somalis are this stupid, then God help the rest.

[Basra-]

I've been wondering if we humans are both agents of good and bad deeds that contradict and renders us hypocrites. It was impossible to avoid talk and debate about current war between Galmudug and Puntland. I have seen good people emotionally get involved in support of their clans and become happy and content by hearing not only the news of victory of their clans but by civilians of the other clan fleeing their homes. These are people that you would consider to be educated, of higher integrity and are religious. If you look at the politics section of this website, there are dozens of topics relating to this event discussed by both sides supporting their respective clans and these people never fail to offer unsolicited advice or fatwas relating to other Islamic matters on this forum. The question is knowing that killing a Muslim person for political clan reasons and forcing maatida to flee their homes is a grave sin in Islam, why are we addicted to this waxash tribalism? It brings out our evilness that we try to suppress through prayers and Dua. Maybe Allah SWT knows it is not genuine from us and this halaag is a punishment.

The worst crime I think is--Muslims using our prophet pbuh and our beautiful diin to kill others. Killing in the name of Allaah saw and the our diin is worst. Its using Gods name in blood. Serious business. Tribal killing is human--its stems from human self preservation and human weakness..

[Adali]

I've been wondering if we humans are both agents of good and bad deeds that contradict and renders us hypocrites. It was impossible to avoid talk and debate about current war between Galmudug and Puntland. I have seen good people emotionally get involved in support of their clans and become happy and content by hearing not only the news of victory of their clans but by civilians of the other clan fleeing their homes. These are people that you would consider to be educated, of higher integrity and are religious. If you look at the politics section of this website, there are dozens of topics relating to this event discussed by both sides supporting their respective clans and these people never fail to offer unsolicited advice or fatwas relating to other Islamic matters on this forum. The question is knowing that killing a Muslim person for political clan reasons and forcing maatida to flee their homes is a grave sin in Islam, why are we addicted to this waxash tribalism? It brings out our evilness that we try to suppress through prayers and Dua. Maybe Allah SWT knows it is not genuine from us and this halaag is a punishment.

Galmudug is emerging as a regional state, it waged a war in dhusamareb caabudwaaq and now gaalkacyo. It is basically a habro wars taking place in central somalia similar to fights during somali land formation. Look how peaceful somali land is.

[BlueBlood]

Somali character is what has destroyed us and will doom us to failure and ignominy. I just had a conversation with a friend of mine and I swear my head exploded with the amount of ignorance coming out of the guy's mouth. If the so called "educated" Somalis are this stupid, then God help the rest.

dhibaatada ugu badan waa somalida wax bartay, ganacsatayaasha, iyo siyaasiyiinta.

u fiirso qabiilistiyaasha snet ka buuxo badankood waa dad qurbaha ku koray oo weliba wax yaqaano

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Somali character is what has destroyed us and will doom us to failure and ignominy. I just had a conversation with a friend of mine and I swear my head exploded with the amount of ignorance coming out of the guy's mouth. If the so called "educated" Somalis are this stupid, then God help the rest.

dhibaatada ugu badan waa somalida wax bartay, ganacsatayaasha, iyo siyaasiyiinta.

u fiirso qabiilistiyaasha snet ka buuxo badankood waa dad qurbaha ku koray oo weliba wax yaqaano

Waa ruuntaa. Lakiin my problem isn't even the qabyaalad. My problem is that our people hate new ideas and thought. They are so stubborn and if you say 2+2=4 they will tell you "no, it is 5. Aniga waxba iima sheegi kartid". And when you bring proof and logic, they will bring religion and say waa shuqul sheydaan. This is somebody who grew up in the west! Somebody who went to school and university!

[Lancer]

Wow Basra I'm impressed, I also agree with that notion that killing in God's name is a lot worse than tribal killing. But getting back to the topic, the clan identity is so entrenched in Somali society it's impossible not to feel some sort of bias. Some people will deny this or try and fool themselves but I think everyone feels something deep inside themselves whenever their clan is being killed,attacked or insulted no matter how hard they try and deny it or rationalize it. The only way to get rid of this problem is for all Somali kids to be taken at birth and raised away from their parents in institutions far from clan bias and a whole generation will grow up not knowing what their clan is fostering a strong Somali Identity. It sounds ridiculous and will probably never happen but that is the only possible way to to get rid of Qabyaalad.

In the meantime, let us separate peacefully and maybe our descendants will willingly unite someday in the future when our pain and sorrows are long gone and forgotten.

[Basra-]

Wow Basra I'm impressed, I also agree with that notion that killing in God's name is a lot worse than tribal killing. But getting back to the topic, the clan identity is so entrenched in Somali society it's impossible not to feel some sort of bias. Some people will deny this or try and fool themselves but I think everyone feels something deep inside themselves whenever their clan is being killed,attacked or insulted no matter how hard they try and deny it or rationalize it. The only way to get rid of this problem is for all Somali kids to be taken at birth and raised away from their parents in institutions far from clan bias and a whole generation will grow up not knowing what their clan is fostering a strong Somali Identity. It sounds ridiculous and will probably never happen but that is the only possible way to to get rid of Qabyaalad.

In the meantime, let us separate peacefully and maybe our descendants will willingly unite someday in the future when our pain and sorrows are long gone and forgotten.

Lancer

Actually---I don't. The ONLY time I react if my qabil is insulted is--if the insulter is directing it at me and wanting to make me mad. But if I happen to walk into starbucks and hear people talk sh!t about my qabil--- walaahi--- I will smile and ease drop deliciously. I have a close friend who goes to her enemy qabil donut place hang out just to hear that qabil diss her qabil. Its so funny and idiotic. I have asked her many times--why put herself in that situation???? She hasn't given me a good reasonable answer so far.


IS qabilism inside me?? Maybe---on a deeper human level, but if u r educated, u can ignore that primitive, natural side of u.

[VeiledGarbasar]

I don't think they're primitive, I think they're lacking in imaan, religion and even morality. I have seen atheists against fighting, rape, murder,hate and sufferings of IDP's. However come to Somalinet and you will see so called Somali Muslims encourage rape, fighting, murder, suffering of IDP's and hate in the name of tribalism or regionalism.

Sometimes your soul dies, I think a lot of people their soul must have died.

[InaSamaale]

Some people just have diseased hearts. No amount of education will fix that. May Allah cure us.

[Tuushi]

It is lack of iman,empathy and common decency.Most cant think past themselves/their people.

It really amazes me how inconsiderate we can get as Somalis.Even basic stuff.