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Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

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Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby Revolutionary » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:52 am

Es Salam Alaykum.

Is it common for Somalis to portray Ethiopia and Eritrea as a Habesha nation? I have been lurking this forum for a while now, and it seems every time there is a thread about Ethiopia or Eritrea, Habesha is mentioned but outside, I never never experience hearing it.

I will make it clear for you. The term doesn't exist nor used anymore after Abyssinia died out. It is also a very offensive term where Eritreans will disrespect you if you mention it directly. For two reasons why calling Habesha is wrong:

1) Habesha only refer to the people of Amhara, Tigray and the Gurage. They're minority and only inhabit in the Northern Highland. However, they have more power - the government, economical and military sector is owned by them (mainly Tigray) for several decades which is why you often hear deceitful sources from them and common portrayal like Amharic, Tigrinya or Tigray etc and not the others who are not commonly known.

2) It is a term associate with Christianity so it is an insult for the Muslims. 85% of the Eritreans are Muslims and all tribes other than the Tigray are Muslim dominated but the country is ruled by the minority Tigrays. In Tigray led-Ethiopia, despite its portrayal of Christian nation, 65% of the people are Muslims, mostly Cushitic. They often hate being labelled as Habesha. About 20% of the so-called Habesha are Muslims as well.

So, please do not lump us as one people or link us with Habesha.

Hope that's clear!

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby SahanGalbeed » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:11 am

Okay , salam aleikum , what eritrean tribal background do you belong to ?

we call ethiopian Habash , because the amhara are habash and the language of Ethiopia is amharic , not meant to insult anyone , we didn't make their history

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby Itrah » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:26 am

Eritreans are so butthurt when you associate them with their ethnic brothers and sisters in Ethiopia.

Dude you are Habesha, get over yourself. There is very little difference between Eritreans and Tigrays-Amharas in Ethiopia.

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby cheifaqilbari » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:34 am

Aliku wa sallam. Welcome and good on you for explaining the difference.

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby Revolutionary » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:39 am

Okay , salam aleikum , what eritrean tribal background do you belong to ?
Aleykum salam, I am from Saho.

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby SahanGalbeed » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:44 am

Welcome my afro asiatic brother

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby Itrah » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:47 am

If you are Saho, then you are not Habesha.

But mainstream Eritreans (Tigre-Tigrinya) who make up 90% of the country are no different from Amharas and Tigrays in Ethiopia.

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby gegiroor » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:13 am

Es Salam Alaykum.

Is it common for Somalis to portray Ethiopia and Eritrea as a Habesha nation? I have been lurking this forum for a while now, and it seems every time there is a thread about Ethiopia or Eritrea, Habesha is mentioned but outside, I never never experience hearing it.

I will make it clear for you. The term doesn't exist nor used anymore after Abyssinia died out. It is also a very offensive term where Eritreans will disrespect you if you mention it directly. For two reasons why calling Habesha is wrong:

1) Habesha only refer to the people of Amhara, Tigray and the Gurage. They're minority and only inhabit in the Northern Highland. However, they have more power - the government, economical and military sector is owned by them (mainly Tigray) for several decades which is why you often hear deceitful sources from them and common portrayal like Amharic, Tigrinya or Tigray etc and not the others who are not commonly known.

2) It is a term associate with Christianity so it is an insult for the Muslims. 85% of the Eritreans are Muslims and all tribes other than the Tigray are Muslim dominated but the country is ruled by the minority Tigrays. In Tigray led-Ethiopia, despite its portrayal of Christian nation, 65% of the people are Muslims, mostly Cushitic. They often hate being labelled as Habesha. About 20% of the so-called Habesha are Muslims as well.

So, please do not lump us as one people or link us with Habesha.

Hope that's clear!
Great post! :up:

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby Gabre » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:51 am

Es Salam Alaykum.

Is it common for Somalis to portray Ethiopia and Eritrea as a Habesha nation? I have been lurking this forum for a while now, and it seems every time there is a thread about Ethiopia or Eritrea, Habesha is mentioned but outside, I never never experience hearing it.

I will make it clear for you. The term doesn't exist nor used anymore after Abyssinia died out. It is also a very offensive term where Eritreans will disrespect you if you mention it directly. For two reasons why calling Habesha is wrong:

1) Habesha only refer to the people of Amhara, Tigray and the Gurage. They're minority and only inhabit in the Northern Highland. However, they have more power - the government, economical and military sector is owned by them (mainly Tigray) for several decades which is why you often hear deceitful sources from them and common portrayal like Amharic, Tigrinya or Tigray etc and not the others who are not commonly known.

2) It is a term associate with Christianity so it is an insult for the Muslims. 85% of the Eritreans are Muslims and all tribes other than the Tigray are Muslim dominated but the country is ruled by the minority Tigrays. In Tigray led-Ethiopia, despite its portrayal of Christian nation, 65% of the people are Muslims, mostly Cushitic. They often hate being labelled as Habesha. About 20% of the so-called Habesha are Muslims as well.

So, please do not lump us as one people or link us with Habesha.

Hope that's clear!
Somalis (especially from Somalia) generally have no clue about Ethiopians. The President of Somali State of Ethiopia gave a brief but funny breakdown of this problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWdClHPe0M

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby jalaaludin5 » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:22 pm

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby GAMES » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:23 pm

Wlc on board sxb. I didn't know 85% of Eritreans were Muslim, that's really good.

Whats the clan/ethnic breakdown in Eritrea?

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby AwRastaale » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:52 pm

W/S Eritrean brother,

You are not entirely being open or honest. It depends what kind of "Eritrean" you are. If you are Afar, Saho, Rashaida, Nara then you're no Habesha but if you are Tigre, Bilen, Bin Amer, Jeberti or Kebessa then it's different story.

Tigre - hybrid between Beja and Tigrais of Ethiopia
Bilen - hybrid Kebessa and Tigre (who were already 50%)
Jeberti - almost Kebessa
Bin Amer is a tricky one but I know they are same as Bilen.

So who are you first?

Habesha was a derogatory name in Somali. Habeshi was looked down and that's why they do not use in person or in front of you. It was and still has that stigma as 'ngga'.

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby RoobleAlWaliid » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:05 pm

Some Habeshas tell me the term Habesha was coined by Arabs and it means slave and that's why they despise the term.

Aren't Bilen a sub-group of the Agew.

I thought Saho and Bilen were related?

They have the same culture.

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby SahanGalbeed » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:28 pm

Xabash waxa la yidha historically Christian Amhara kingdom of Axum who with the Romans and certain arab tribes were waging war in present day Yemen.{around the years 500 of the christian calendar} Nowadays Habashi is all Ethiopians or all who speak amhara , and to the finally retard arabs the likes of Dacash {ISIS}that includes me :lol:....if I could only catch one of those .

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Re: Is it true that Somalis assume we are all Habesha?

Postby AwRastaale » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:58 pm

Rooble,

No Saho and Bilen are not related. Bilen have more things in common with the Kebessa of Hamasien, Akele Guzai and Serae and those in mainland Tigray.

Sahan,

No Amhara was born or coined in post-Axum era during the Zagwe rule by Solomonic-ruler Yekuno Amlak.

Those that were waging war with Yemen were the northern Habesha including the Eritreans (Kebessa, Bilen), some Agews, some Beja and the Tigrais. We know that they launched their wars from the Eritrean coast and we also know they had Tigringya names including Abraha.

The Amhara identity emerged in the 12th century when Habesha fleeing south to Wag, Lasta and parts of Begemder set up the Solomonic dynasty and made Amharic the language of the courts.

Before Yekuno we know Axum's official languages were the Geez and the Agew.

Amhara establishment antedates Axum and re-launched the Solomonic dynasty with Yekuno Amlak in the mid-12th century. The Amhara did not rule continuously of course and the Agews often re-gained the power for instance even though the Fasilides or Fasil dynasty embraced Solomonic----it was all Agew.

Amhara was more of a central empire taking its seeds from Wollo (Bete-Amhara) before it spread more south and west. It never encroached north past Enderta even to this day.


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