SNET POLL: Kenya VS somalia waters

[Strategic]

[SahanGalbeed]

The upper line seems to awfully be on the same axis as Nairobi , no idea . Close call coz straight lines don't mean nothing or part of it goes to Tanzania. I really do not know anything about this shit , but I will conclude by saying it must be ours

[jalaaludin5]

Where exactly did Somalia's water end before this drama?

If kenya is making this claim because there is no government in Somalia, then I understand. If your neighbour is a moron who is constantly fighting with his people, can't establish a proper government, their leaders and elders always for sell and at a bargain....you would have done the same thing. Claim their water, occupy their land, move the border and build a wall, while they bring all their money and help your economy.
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[AwRastaale]

It may seem to all confusing but Landers have to remember several issues.

Somalia is big regional problem. It has border disputes with Somaliland, Ethiopia and now Kenya.

Those statistics alone speak volume and we can right away identify the trouble maker.

Somaliland, Kenya and Ethiopia should work together to support each others rightful claims.

We will recognize Kenya's claims once Nairobi recognizes the 1800 Somaliland border. Like Kenya, it too was drawn by the British. Ethiopia is the same.

The border between Somalia (Italia Somalia) and Ethiopia is not an international border but Provisional Administrative Line. That still needs to be settled.

So all three of us should work together to get Somalia on the table so we may address the issue of border demarcation jointly.

Right now I will hold off my vote but I recognize that Somalia is a trouble maker that has issues with all three neighboring countries. We will support each others until the Italian line is retreated.

We can see that Somalia's claim against Kenya based on the above map is very dangerous move against Kenya and clear violation. If Somalia is awarded such claim then that means Kenya may also give Mombasa and its shipping rights to Somalia. That map will kill Kenya's port activities and its tourism industry. There will be no chance of Kenya accessing Mombasa without violating Somalia's claims if such is the case. Kenya should not be forced to enter its port using a L-shaped manoeuvre.

Somalis of Somalia know they are in trouble.


Kenya will be camping in Kismayu for life like Garissa.

The Haud, future politician

[Estarix]

Somalia has a strong case in winning this dispute, Kenya's case that it follows Tanzania's deal and not international law has no standing.When the new maritime border line stretches southwards i will be be absolutely delighted. And if it kills the Kenyan tourism industry... all the better.

[Strategic]

This is not a major thing,and can easily be solved,first of all,the economy of kenya is based on tourism which happens close to the area of conflict and that if any oil or gas is found there(many discoveries of wells have been speculated there) the probability of drilling is probably 0.00% because kenya doesnt want this effect to spill out.furthermore,it is to be mentioned that there is a dispute b/w kenya and uganda on the border,b/w south sudan and kenya ,b/w tanzania and kenya and finally this water dispute which can be easily solved.

[Strategic]

Somalia has a strong case in winning this dispute, Kenya's case that it follows Tanzania's deal and not international law has no standing.When the new maritime border line stretches southwards i will be be absolutely delighted. And if it kills the Kenyan tourism industry... all the better.

That is what i am saying,Kenya cant afford any conflict in the area and it will solved amicably because kenya already has alshabab problems in the area,Clan skirmishes which often happen and if you combine this with somalia dispute ,kenya tourism industry which is a huge profit making for the economy will be a thing of the past and remember that once somalia fully pacifies 2020 kenya will lose billions of dollars because of the emergeny somali industry will be more diverse and lucrative than kenya tourism especially in the southern part of the country.
they are already withdrawing the complaint because of the spill .

[Strategic]

Kenya is suffering because of its incursion into southern somalia.http://www.cnbcafrica.com/news/east-afr ... ,australia traval warnings have caused a huge decline.

[AwRastaale]

Kenya will always be hot tourism destination as long as it has all those attractions and unmatched services regardless but regional and international community should be wary of Somalia's pursue to import its problems into Kenya's backyard even closer.

It is clear from past statistics that Somalia issues have had bad impact on Kenya including the declining tourism, the insecurities, the illegal aliens, terrorism, money laundering, piracy, and smuggling of illegal goods including untaxed sugars.

Next Somalia will turn Tanzania into new Kenya. To make matter worse Somalis of Somalia are proud of Kenya's problems who came about because of their own lawlessness and chaotic nature.

[SahanGalbeed]

God bless blood . In his multiple choice , you got either 1/Somalia is right ,2/ Kenya is wrong{ 1 worded differently}or 3/ you don't know shit

In French they say "lapsus revelateur" which means your subconscious revealing your strong bias

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Kenyans are propagating that Somalia is out to steal their waters. How?
When the water has always been part of Somalia.

The boundary has always been that way since the 1960's. The international maritime laws are on Somalia's side.

A state's territorial sea extends up to 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from its baseline. If this would overlap with another state's territorial sea, the border is taken as the median point between the states' baselines, unless the states in question agree otherwise.

Kenya just recently grew some testicles to fake claim Somalia's waters, since the country plunged into civil war.

It will take several years before the court rules on the matter, but I'm confident Kenya will lose and Somalia will be victorious. Look at Kenya throwing a tantrum ever since Somalia dragged them to the ICJ, wanting to close Dadaab refugee camp, shutting down money transfer services, targeting ethnic Somali's, building a wall in the Somali border, interfering with Somali politics etc.

Kenyans weeped and cried: We have done so much for Somalia, why are they taking us to court? Kenya hasn't done a thing, the Somalis have done it themselves.

Just because Tanzania gave Kenya a hard time with the Pemba islands doesn't give Kenya the right to fake claim Somalia's waters when Somalia was at it's weakest and fragile, but we all know it's not about waters, but about potential reserves of oil in the area.

FAKE CLAIM

“The issue of the Kenyan government violations against our territorial waters has continued for a long time, so it’s the right time to end its fake claim in court,” Somalia’s Information Minister Mohammed Maareeye argued in July this year.

Last year, Somalia went to the ICJ, based in The Hague, to demand that the coastal boundary with Kenya be adjusted, after accusing Kenya of encroaching on its territory for oil exploration.

In July this year, Mogadishu formally filed the case and Kenya had eight months to respond.

Kenya wants to oppose the case now, since it sees no way in winning it and the law is on Somalia's side.

If Kenya succeeds in opposing the case at this stage, it means the case will collapse and the two parties will have to return to negotiations. If it proceeds, both sides will have to defend their positions and have the judges decide.

Kenya is keen to have the matter resolved out of court, because they fear a loss coming and see negotiating with a fragile, weak state in it's best interest.

[Strategic]

Actually,i wanted to write 'Kenya is right' but misbelt it.

I am not proud of kenya tourism problems,infact i am against those who are causing trouble for kenya.that is why peace in southern somalia is beneficial to kenya and they know that,everybody wants peace,somalia wants peace,i want peace what we all want is a peace that is guine that is beneficial to all(netanyahu).so this issue is a minor issue that can be solved friendly and if kenya exponsially exercerabates the situation then it is them that will suffer heavily.

[Atlantic]

All the iidoors support Kenya's claims - now that's a surprise. What a cancer you iidoors are.

Rooble Al Waliid, everything you've said is right!

[Strategic]

All the iidoors support Kenya's claims - now that's a surprise. What a cancer you iidoors are.

Rooble Al Waliid, everything you've said is right!

all iidoors? No i dont think so,Just because they have problem with puntland doesnt mean anything to us.it is in the interest of kenya to solve this issue friendly as we know majority of the oil wells findings lay on the somali side.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

All the iidoors support Kenya's claims - now that's a surprise. What a cancer you iidoors are.

Rooble Al Waliid, everything you've said is right!

My brotha!

It was my pleasure!