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So do you honestly believe Saudis are going to heaven?@ country side boy

In terms of theology, a believing individual, no matter how bad he was on earth stands a much better chance at heaven when compared to a non believer. Even Muslims who commit heinous crimes [according to ijm3a or consensus] will at most be in hell for a certain period of time. Heaven would be their ultimate destination. If any of the things I said run counter to traditional Islam, please feel free to counter it.

I can't see how those who claim to be Muslim though killing and abusive to our people can be forgiven over one who has never done a single crime against Allah or Muslims .....

Good on them!

Kicked out by our Saudi Brothers only to be rescued by the evil west.

Those evil philanthropic westerners will also dwell in eternal hell fire all the while the Saudis enjoy heaven. As religious people say, God [presumably his benevolence too] works in mysterious ways.

So you are saying the saudi who raped that somali orphan girl will be in heaven while the gaal who took these orphans in and cared for them will dwell in eternal hellfire?

^ perfect example of what I'm saying.



What say you darling Gegiroor and country boy?

I can't see how those who claim to be Muslim though killing and abusive to our people can be forgiven over one who has never done a single crime against Allah or Muslims .....

So you are saying the saudi who raped that somali orphan girl will be in heaven while the gaal who took these orphans in and cared for them will dwell in eternal hellfire?

In short, yes. To Allah, the most heinous crime is Shirk [association with another or disbelief in him]. Not rape, murder, sorcery, adultery or any of the other major sins of which one can make Tawbah [repentance] from. So yes, a sinful Muslim stands to be in heaven at a much greater rate than a philanthropic infidel.

Even if a very sinful Muslim is sent to hell, the individual will likely only dwell in hell for a period of time after which they will be granted mercy by Allah.