Sultan Erdogan Coming to Maryland for Grand Opening of Turkish American Cultural Center

[FAH1223]

Also blasting Obama for snubbing him for a meeting based on their failed Syria policies.


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[FAH1223]

[HayWire]

Sultan Erdogan Allow dhowr

[Prlnce]

This is going to be classic..FOX is going to have a field day with this.

[barbarossa]

What are the chances of Erdogan's old amigo, Fethulah Gulen, being invited to this event?

[mahoka]

Should arrest him for supplying isis

[Machiavelli2]

What are the chances of Erdogan's old amigo, Fethulah Gulen, being invited to this event?

Ina Adeer, Erdogan's visit and his grand opening of this mosque in the United States has got little to do with international politics and is intended for domestic consumption by reminding Fethulah and his movement that without their support and their long running feud, the AKP and in particular his excellency Erdogan reigned supreme in Turkish politics.

[Siciid85]

So Obama can meet with Castro but not his NATO ally? Yeah Obama is total stooge of Pro Isreali groups.

Glad to hear that Erdogan is taking part in spreading Islam into the West. I expect this From slamic center will be a platform to educate and bring Islam into American homes specially African Americans in those states

[inaXasan]

why do people call him Sultan? Turkey is not a monarch.

It's awkward, like calling Obama King Obama Hussein

[Lamagoodle]

In my opinion, the western media is biased in its reporting from/on Turkey and Russia. It seems that the "gates of Vienna" in the 16th century is something that has shaped the west. The same goes for Russia (there is Russia-phobia). Every dhuuso about Turkey is reported. Nothing positive about Turkey is reported.

Turkey has had successive military coups. Its economy was in shambles and human rights abuses (in particular towards the Kurds).

Turkey has repeatedly applied for EU membership; many countries in Eastern Europe with poor economies, human rights records and weak institutions have become members. Maybe Tenju Cila, the PM of the 1990s was right; the EU, she said, was a christian club. BTW; Turkish has supporters; Sweden, UK, Holland and the northern European countries. But Catholic Europe still remember the siege of Vienna in 1586(?)

Then Fethullah Gülen instigates a movement that is about renewal; according to him, countries with muslim majorities are backward because they abandoned science/technology. The movement gains momentum; schools, organisations and political movements (grass roots) are started. No more fuzzy subjects (humanities/arts/social science) and religion in schools.

The AKP - founded by Gülen supporters brings sweeping changes including democracy. The Turkish economy (real GDP) doubled in less than 10 years. The Kurds get rights they never dreamed about. The Turkish economy was predicted to bypass that of many nations and might in a few years become the 1th-13th largest economy in the world.

Then the nonsense about "Sultan" " Ottoman" " dictatorship" etc became part and parcel of the discourse on Turkey.

Gülen and Erdogan fall out. The war in Syria starts...

And also Erdogan has an ace in his sleeve; the refugee crises .

No doubt Erdogan is also a victim of hubris. He has also made one of the worst mistakes; shooting down of the Russia jet (Russia is an important trading partner). And there are signs towards islamisation. But all in all Turkey is doing great by all measures.

[LobsterUnit]

Sultanka gobolka beenadir.

[hangool79]

In my opinion, the western media is biased in its reporting from/on Turkey and Russia. It seems that the "gates of Vienna" in the 16th century is something that has shaped the west. The same goes for Russia (there is Russia-phobia). Every dhuuso about Turkey is reported. Nothing positive about Turkey is reported.

Turkey has had successive military coups. Its economy was in shambles and human rights abuses (in particular towards the Kurds).

Turkey has repeatedly applied for EU membership; many countries in Eastern Europe with poor economies, human rights records and weak institutions have become members. Maybe Tenju Cila, the PM of the 1990s was right; the EU, she said, was a christian club. BTW; Turkish has supporters; Sweden, UK, Holland and the northern European countries. But Catholic Europe still remember the siege of Vienna in 1586(?)

Then Fethullah Gülen instigates a movement that is about renewal; according to him, countries with muslim majorities are backward because they abandoned science/technology. The movement gains momentum; schools, organisations and political movements (grass roots) are started. No more fuzzy subjects (humanities/arts/social science) and religion in schools.

The AKP - founded by Gülen supporters brings sweeping changes including democracy. The Turkish economy (real GDP) doubled in less than 10 years. The Kurds get rights they never dreamed about. The Turkish economy was predicted to bypass that of many nations and might in a few years become the 1th-13th largest economy in the world.

Then the nonsense about "Sultan" " Ottoman" " dictatorship" etc became part and parcel of the discourse on Turkey.

Gülen and Erdogan fall out. The war in Syria starts...

And also Erdogan has an ace in his sleeve; the refugee crises .

No doubt Erdogan is also a victim of hubris. He has also made one of the worst mistakes; shooting down of the Russia jet (Russia is an important trading partner). And there are signs towards islamisation. But all in all Turkey is doing great by all measures.

I agree with alot of what you said here, except that Turkey has supporters, some of it's biggest enemies are the protestant and secular countries such as France not just mediterrenian europe, also a major culprit and obstacle is the greece nation / cyprus which turkey karbaashed in the 70s and conquered a good chunk of cyprus because they tried to annex the whole island and was mistreating cypress turks.

I don't understand how a smart guy like you lama could take the polluted word of secularism to your heart after knowing the modus operandi of europe,it's islam today, but in reality it's about race and that's why they hate and are afraid of the seamingly white looking russians whom they are never fully easy about because they wonder how much oriental blood runs through their veins because of the mongols and huns in the past.
They cannot control such a large country hence Russia will never fully be let into the fold.

Argentina recently broke down and accepted to pay xaaram loands to sionist mafia hedgefunds, the illuminati is very real,
poor argentina

Also " Gates of Vienna" is both a rightwing site and a rightwing romanticized expression, acadademically the incident is referred to as the Siege of Vienna, don't adopt their phrases adeer

[Lamagoodle]

In my opinion, the western media is biased in its reporting from/on Turkey and Russia. It seems that the "gates of Vienna" in the 16th century is something that has shaped the west. The same goes for Russia (there is Russia-phobia). Every dhuuso about Turkey is reported. Nothing positive about Turkey is reported.

Turkey has had successive military coups. Its economy was in shambles and human rights abuses (in particular towards the Kurds).

Turkey has repeatedly applied for EU membership; many countries in Eastern Europe with poor economies, human rights records and weak institutions have become members. Maybe Tenju Cila, the PM of the 1990s was right; the EU, she said, was a christian club. BTW; Turkish has supporters; Sweden, UK, Holland and the northern European countries. But Catholic Europe still remember the siege of Vienna in 1586(?)

Then Fethullah Gülen instigates a movement that is about renewal; according to him, countries with muslim majorities are backward because they abandoned science/technology. The movement gains momentum; schools, organisations and political movements (grass roots) are started. No more fuzzy subjects (humanities/arts/social science) and religion in schools.

The AKP - founded by Gülen supporters brings sweeping changes including democracy. The Turkish economy (real GDP) doubled in less than 10 years. The Kurds get rights they never dreamed about. The Turkish economy was predicted to bypass that of many nations and might in a few years become the 1th-13th largest economy in the world.

Then the nonsense about "Sultan" " Ottoman" " dictatorship" etc became part and parcel of the discourse on Turkey.

Gülen and Erdogan fall out. The war in Syria starts...

And also Erdogan has an ace in his sleeve; the refugee crises .

No doubt Erdogan is also a victim of hubris. He has also made one of the worst mistakes; shooting down of the Russia jet (Russia is an important trading partner). And there are signs towards islamisation. But all in all Turkey is doing great by all measures.

I agree with alot of what you said here, except that Turkey has supporters, some of it's biggest enemies are the protestant and secular countries such as France not just mediterrenian europe, also a major culprit and obstacle is the greece nation / cyprus which turkey karbaashed in the 70s and conquered a good chunk of cyprus because they tried to annex the whole island and was mistreating cypress turks.

I don't understand how a smart guy like you lama could take the polluted word of secularism to your heart after knowing the modus operandi of europe,it's islam today, but in reality it's about race and that's why they hate and are afraid of the seamingly white looking russians whom they are never fully easy about because they wonder how much oriental blood runs through their veins because of the mongols and huns in the past.
They cannot control such a large country hence Russia will never fully be let into the fold.

Argentina recently broke down and accepted to pay xaaram loands to sionist mafia hedgefunds, the illuminati is very real,
poor argentina

Hangool (what a name!!!!); Your name reminds me of the baadiyaha; as a young boy, I recall somali women singing "odey waa hangool jabay ee hangool jabey reer ma oodaa? "

Well, it is true that France is against the membership of Turkey. Catholism is the main religion not protestant. But the main reason is the Armenian lobby which is strong. There are some protestants that oppose it, but the opposition mainly comes from either Eastern Europe or Catholic Europe. You are right Greece, because of historical reasons, oppose it. The general rule is this; Sweden, UK and the Nordic countries (predominately Lutherens) have always supported the membership of Turkey; based on principals.

BLV me nothing is better than secularism. Religion should be kept outside the realm of public lives but not many countries do that. Generally, my benchmark is Northern Europe where religion has a hidden/latent role. Most of the protestant countries have succeeded in having a secular state where the church has a limited role. Nothing wrong with that. Muslims enjoy excellent religious freedoms (and others too). If you, on the other hand, take non-secular countries e.g. middle eastern countries, what you see is "my way" or "perish".

The good thing about secularism is diversity of thoughts, religion and the notion that state affairs are run without the influence of religious dogma; what is better than that? Imagine a world where - as was the case before the 16th century, where your thoughts are controlled by religion. That is what made the west developed. That is also what led Islam to the annals of history in Spain and elsewhere. Diversity. State is NOT religion and RELIGION is not state.

ARGENTINA; this case is total different. You live in a global village where financial institutions dictate the outcome/performance of your country. You borrow money because you don't have enough of it; and you default? In the old days, devaluation was common.

BTW, there is no COUNTRY/PEOPLE/PERSON that is involved in the financial system of the world. The R (interest rate) is what determines it. That is unless, we live in a bubble. The money that is keeping Mecca running is toxic .

Xaaram/riba etc are words that do not stand a litmus test.

P.s. I visited Turkey a number of times; Met many Gulen followers are wrote this a while back: http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtop ... 8&t=327071

P.s.s the phrase the "gate of vienna" was used before the rightwing craze. YOU NEED TO READ MOE!!!!! The "siege of Vienna" is the historical discourse. The gates of Vienna is often used to describe the location/onslaught and has been used by scholars throughout history (muslim/turkish scholars too). I do not read rightwing sites.

[hangool79]

In my opinion, the western media is biased in its reporting from/on Turkey and Russia. It seems that the "gates of Vienna" in the 16th century is something that has shaped the west. The same goes for Russia (there is Russia-phobia). Every dhuuso about Turkey is reported. Nothing positive about Turkey is reported.

Turkey has had successive military coups. Its economy was in shambles and human rights abuses (in particular towards the Kurds).

Turkey has repeatedly applied for EU membership; many countries in Eastern Europe with poor economies, human rights records and weak institutions have become members. Maybe Tenju Cila, the PM of the 1990s was right; the EU, she said, was a christian club. BTW; Turkish has supporters; Sweden, UK, Holland and the northern European countries. But Catholic Europe still remember the siege of Vienna in 1586(?)

Then Fethullah Gülen instigates a movement that is about renewal; according to him, countries with muslim majorities are backward because they abandoned science/technology. The movement gains momentum; schools, organisations and political movements (grass roots) are started. No more fuzzy subjects (humanities/arts/social science) and religion in schools.

The AKP - founded by Gülen supporters brings sweeping changes including democracy. The Turkish economy (real GDP) doubled in less than 10 years. The Kurds get rights they never dreamed about. The Turkish economy was predicted to bypass that of many nations and might in a few years become the 1th-13th largest economy in the world.

Then the nonsense about "Sultan" " Ottoman" " dictatorship" etc became part and parcel of the discourse on Turkey.

Gülen and Erdogan fall out. The war in Syria starts...

And also Erdogan has an ace in his sleeve; the refugee crises .

No doubt Erdogan is also a victim of hubris. He has also made one of the worst mistakes; shooting down of the Russia jet (Russia is an important trading partner). And there are signs towards islamisation. But all in all Turkey is doing great by all measures.

I agree with alot of what you said here, except that Turkey has supporters, some of it's biggest enemies are the protestant and secular countries such as France not just mediterrenian europe, also a major culprit and obstacle is the greece nation / cyprus which turkey karbaashed in the 70s and conquered a good chunk of cyprus because they tried to annex the whole island and was mistreating cypress turks.

I don't understand how a smart guy like you lama could take the polluted word of secularism to your heart after knowing the modus operandi of europe,it's islam today, but in reality it's about race and that's why they hate and are afraid of the seamingly white looking russians whom they are never fully easy about because they wonder how much oriental blood runs through their veins because of the mongols and huns in the past.
They cannot control such a large country hence Russia will never fully be let into the fold.

Argentina recently broke down and accepted to pay xaaram loands to sionist mafia hedgefunds, the illuminati is very real,
poor argentina

Hangool (what a name!!!!); Your name reminds me of the baadiyaha; as a young boy, I recall somali women singing "odey waa hangool jabay ee hangool jabey reer ma oodaa? "

Well, it is true that France is against the membership of Turkey. Catholism is the main religion not protestant. But the main reason is the Armenian lobby which is strong. There are some protestants that oppose it, but the opposition mainly comes from either Eastern Europe or Catholic Europe. You are right Greece, because of historical reasons, oppose it. The general rule is this; Sweden, UK and the Nordic countries (predominately Lutherens) have always supported the membership of Turkey; based on principals.

BLV me nothing is better than secularism. Religion should be kept outside the realm of public lives but not many countries do that. Generally, my benchmark is Northern Europe where religion has a hidden/latent role. Most of the protestant countries have succeeded in having a secular state where the church has a limited role. Nothing wrong with that. Muslims enjoy excellent religious freedoms (and others too). If you, on the other hand, take non-secular countries e.g. middle eastern countries, what you see is "my way" or "perish".

The good thing about secularism is diversity of thoughts, religion and the notion that state affairs are run without the influence of religious dogma; what is better than that? Imagine a world where - as was the case before the 16th century, where your thoughts are controlled by religion. That is what made the west developed. That is also what led Islam to the annals of history in Spain and elsewhere. Diversity. State is NOT religion and RELIGION is not state.

ARGENTINA; this case is total different. You live in a global village where financial institutions dictate the outcome/performance of your country. You borrow money because you don't have enough of it; and you default? In the old days, devaluation was common.

BTW, there is no COUNTRY/PEOPLE/PERSON that is involved in the financial system of the world. The R (interest rate) is what determines it. That is unless, we live in a bubble. The money that is keeping Mecca running is toxic .

Xaaram/riba etc are words that do not stand a litmus test.

P.s. I visited Turkey a number of times; Met many Gulen followers are wrote this a while back: http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtop ... 8&t=327071

P.s.s the phrase the "gate of vienna" was used before the rightwing craze. The "siege of Vienna" is the historical discourse. The gates of Vienna is often used to describe the onslaught. I do not read rightwing sites.

my dear professor some of what you are describing is I believe a misunderstood utopia with regards to the wonders of secularism and how the nordic countries function,(living in this region believe me I have a pretty good understanding of the societal reality in these countries is) rather then being 'tucked gently away' several of the nordic countries have an official state religion, ie a fusion between a modified christianity and modern governing is how they rule, ( they are not as fanatic as in pakistan because they have jobs and their bellies are full, knowing you also lieve in europe, I believe u know the capabilities of what committed previous percecutions against minorities and different people is still very much latent in Nordid/ Europe, funny thing is some of their aspects means they are practising Islam better then many muslim countries with regards to tolerance, liberty, freedom of expression ,zaqat (In this manner I can understand why some muslims misunderstand Islam with the current situation today in muslim countries and see the everchanging western fusion of christianity and seculirism as a solution,(every dog has it's day, it was not long ago they burnt women in europe, forget about the countless pogroms, holocaust, persecution of minorities.

Muslims in europe are living in a dangerous time, we are in many ways just one major happening from the mobs in european countries taking action in their hands, do you know how many asylums have been burnt in Sweden? how many mosques in France?
These people serve no role model for the Islamic world, they are simply a bread and circus absent situation away from turning against minorities once again and then eachother.

There is only one solution and that is to develop deterrent capability I hope Insha Allah Turkey gains this knowledge just as Pakistan, North Korea would have joined Iraq,Afghanistan had it not been for it's tiny but daunting stock of nuclear weapons-

Erdogan is a real politician he knows Turkey has no future in EU and is just working them, Turkey should have nuclear capability to deter the russians from drooling over Istanbul which has been their dream for 200 years.

[FAH1223]

So Obama can meet with Castro but not his NATO ally? Yeah Obama is total stooge of Pro Isreali groups.

Glad to hear that Erdogan is taking part in spreading Islam into the West. I expect this From slamic center will be a platform to educate and bring Islam into American homes specially African Americans in those states

Obama is pissed that Erdogan has become more autocratic.

And Pro-Israel groups DO NOT LIKE Obama much like they don't like George H.W. Bush. Think Tank-land in Washington, DC spearheaded by Zionists have blasted this President because he just does not like the Middle East at all.

And meeting Castro was more about trying to have US corporations take over Cuba eventually rather than anything symbolic. Obama is a centrist-corporatist not the progressive leftist people thought he was when he was a Senator.