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When did we lose it

Postby Sir-Luggoyo » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:45 pm

What year, era, decade or century did world domination and civilization moved from the Islamic world to the West? The world capital was Abbsid Baghdad in the eleventh century then Fatimid and Mamluk Cairo in the forteenth century, that is when the world capital crossed the Mediterranean to Genoa and passed to Amsterdam and London in the Nineteenth century until it ended in New York in the Twentieth century.

We know that they were excelling and leading the world in every field from science to literature, what shifted this power from the East to the West? Was it caused by internal rifts or outside influence? We all know that up until the seventeenth century, they were toe to toe with their Western counterparts if not better in many aspects.

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Postby Basra- » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:07 pm

it all started Julius Caesar, The Roman empire.The Turkeys are the last Islamic nation to rule the world! From the Roman---went to the English--then to the russians & then ultimately to America!


So blame Julius Caesar, if you want to blame someone! Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Postby PH.D. » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:26 pm

I think the decline of the Ottoman Empire translated to the decline of the East. But dont worry the East gots its advanced societies like China and Pakistan Exclamation

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Postby Cawar » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:40 pm

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One word ... Corruption. Thats how muslims become not muslims or even worse: Munafiqs.

From Nepotism, to the love of earthly insignifacant materials, to the strying away from the righ path....it all boils down to corruption within the heart of muslims!!!

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:56 am

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He didn't ask how, he asked when.

Also, the rise of rigid Islam was a big reason in the decay (along with corruption, you are correct there). Rigid Islam made it easier for rulers to rule, but it also made it more difficult for innovaters to innovate. The Islamic empire went through a period where innovation was encouraged. After the Crusades this all stopped as conservative, legalistic Islam took over and discouraged all kinds of innovation - not just religious innovation.


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