Many Somalis nowadays are believing in Waaq

[MayDay777]

Land of Punt
Somalis produce the most Uunsi

Pre-islamic Somalia interests me a lot.

me too

[gegiroor]

Somalis have existed in the Horn of Africa for thousands of years, and they had contact with outside world. Many of the foreign customs, such as Nowruz, are found in our customs today. There were many deities they believed, and we can find those references in our language and customs today. And there is no question that Waaq was worshiped in our territory at some point; however, there is no proof ever shown that Waaq is ALLAH and that belief was monotheistic.

That said, it seems lately there are people who act as if Waaq was the only god they worshiped in the past. There is no single documentation presented that proofs that point. Some Europeans writing about it doesn't prove anything. They've only documented what they observed.

We have Waaq, Wadd, Eebe, Hubaal, Baal, etc in our language. And after Islam came to Somali territory, the only one that is kept, which we still refer to as another name for ALLAH, is Eebe. No mention of referring to Waaq as another name for ALLAH in our language. Yes we have place names, like Caaabud Waaq, Ceel Waaq; we have clan names whose name includes Waaq; we have words such as Barwaaqo that includes that deity. That shows Waaq was part of our past; no question about it. However, since no Somali refers to Waaq as another name for ALLAH today, it proves that Somalis ditched it once they converted to Islam.

Now, my question to people who claim Waaq is another name for ALLAH, care to explain why we still refer Eebe to ALLAH but not Waaq? And please don't use the Oramo Muslims as a backup. The title of the thread is, "Many Somalis nowadays are believing in Waaq." Stick to the topic.

[gegiroor]

[quote] "And they conspired an immense conspiracy." (71:22)
"And said, 'Never leave your gods and never leave Wadd or Suwa' or Yaghuth and Ya'uq and Nasr." (71:23)
"And already they have misled many. And, [my Lord], do not increase the wrongdoers except in error." (71:24)
"Because of their sins they were drowned and put into the Fire, and they found not for themselves besides Allah [any] helpers." (71:25)


Ya'uq is in the list of false dieties.

The Holly Quran is sufficient evidence for me. See Ebbe is not in list of false deities mentioned, but others were clearly mentioned. Proof is there!!!

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Geg, does Pre-islamic Somalia not interest you? Do y ou frown when you see Laas Geel? Why didn't Umar (R.a) destroy ancient -pre-islamic cities, statutes? Why weren't the pyramids in Egypt destroyed by the early Muslim??S WHy didn't the early Muslims destroy Ancient iraqi statutes/cities?

[gegiroor]

Geg, does Pre-islamic Somalia not interest you? Do y ou frown when you see Laas Geel? Why didn't Umar (R.a) destroy ancient -pre-islamic cities, statutes? Why weren't the pyramids in Egypt destroyed by the early Muslim??S WHy didn't the early Muslims destroy Ancient iraqi statutes/cities?

All of the false deities in Mecca were destroyed once Muslims liberated it. That tells you, as long as statues are not worshiped, they can be left alone. However, once people refer to them and start worshiping them, they should be completely eradicated in Muslim lands.

To answer your first question,yes it interest me to the point I want to learn more about the past. But I have no desire of digging, promoting, and lying about our pagan past. HELL NO WAY!!

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Geg, does Pre-islamic Somalia not interest you? Do y ou frown when you see Laas Geel? Why didn't Umar (R.a) destroy ancient -pre-islamic cities, statutes? Why weren't the pyramids in Egypt destroyed by the early Muslim??S WHy didn't the early Muslims destroy Ancient iraqi statutes/cities?

All of the false deities in Mecca were destroyed once Muslims liberated it. That tells you, as long as statues are not worshiped, they can be left alone. However, once people refer to them and start worshiping them, they should be completely eradicated in Muslim lands.

To answer your first question,yes it interest me to the point I want to learn more about the past. But I have no desire of digging, promoting, and lying about our pagan past. HELL NO WAY!!

Should we rebuilt the statute of two legendary Muslim heroes such as M.A.Hassan (Sayyid, AUN) and Ahmed Gurey (AUN).

[gegiroor]

Wadd is mentioned in the Qur'an as one of the false deities that used to be worshipped by the people of Nuux.

Other than that, I have no clue how Gerigoor concluded that Somalis must've adopted some ancient pre-historic false deity that used to be worshipped by the people of Noah.

WAD
WADDAAD

The root of waddaad is wad.

Some mentioned Qaalu as learned ones for Waaq, but in the Somali vocabulary, the learned ones were referred to as Waddaad, not Qaalu. Even today, the equivalent of sheikh in the Somali language is wadaad. See the connection?

Remember my point was I was refuting the claim that our ancestors before Islam used to have a monotheistic faith and worship the One and only GOD, ALLAH. I was showing the different deities in our language and waaq was not the only one.

Due to the late campaign launched by people who promote other religions in our midst, and point to our past while exaggerating or even outright lying about it, we - Somali Muslims - need to dig that past, so we can refute the false narrative that these people are putting out. Just don't lose in sight that the concerted effort has a goal.

I laughed at the people who promote pagan Waaq and then run to Oramo Waaqist as an example. So if there are people who follow that pagan beliefs, what does it prove? Nothing in my view.

On my end, ALLAH is more than enough for me; I will not promote some pagan customs that some in the Horn Of Africa worshiped, and at the same time I will not be silent when others rub that pagan past in our nose.

[gegiroor]

Geg, does Pre-islamic Somalia not interest you? Do y ou frown when you see Laas Geel? Why didn't Umar (R.a) destroy ancient -pre-islamic cities, statutes? Why weren't the pyramids in Egypt destroyed by the early Muslim??S WHy didn't the early Muslims destroy Ancient iraqi statutes/cities?

All of the false deities in Mecca were destroyed once Muslims liberated it. That tells you, as long as statues are not worshiped, they can be left alone. However, once people refer to them and start worshiping them, they should be completely eradicated in Muslim lands.

To answer your first question,yes it interest me to the point I want to learn more about the past. But I have no desire of digging, promoting, and lying about our pagan past. HELL NO WAY!!

Should we rebuilt the statute of two legendary Muslim heroes such as M.A.Hassan (Sayyid, AUN) and Ahmed Gurey (AUN).

No, we shouldn't build any statues for Sayidka, Ahmed Gurey, Halane, Haawo Taako, Sheikh Hassan Barsane, Omar Samatar, General Daa'uud, and many others. We should keep them in our history books.

Building statues in Muslim lands has no history in early Muslims. It is a secular phenomena that gradually puts people away from their faith.

We should be more concerned about important stuff like stability, economic viability, etc. You know the things that matter.

[Adali]

All of the false deities in Mecca were destroyed once Muslims liberated it. That tells you, as long as statues are not worshiped, they can be left alone. However, once people refer to them and start worshiping them, they should be completely eradicated in Muslim lands.

To answer your first question,yes it interest me to the point I want to learn more about the past. But I have no desire of digging, promoting, and lying about our pagan past. HELL NO WAY!!

Should we rebuilt the statute of two legendary Muslim heroes such as M.A.Hassan (Sayyid, AUN) and Ahmed Gurey (AUN).

No, we shouldn't build any statues for Sayidka, Ahmed Gurey, Halane, Haawo Taako, Sheikh Hassan Barsane, Omar Samatar, General Daa'uud, and many others. We should keep them in our history books.

Building statues in Muslim lands has no history in early Muslims. It is a secular phenomena that gradually puts people away from their faith.

We should be more concerned about important stuff like stability, economic viability, etc. You know the things that matter.

[Lamagoodle]

The notion that only the word ”Allah “ is acceptable is preposterous. It is an intellectual dishonesty (wahabi attributes) at best and intellectual disability of the idiopathy source with unknown pathogenesis, possibly caused by excessive consumption of wahabi literature, at worst.

The word “Allah” by the way is used by Christians in the middle east, Malaysia and Indonesia to describe their “god”. Go and do your research instead of vomiting baloney on these boards.

Most of the Kenyan muslims use “Mungu” ; Oromo muslims use “Waaq”. Somalis use “Rabi” “eebe” “macbuudka” etc.

[waryaa]

i think most somalis use ilaah. ilahay nan ku dhartay. ilaahayoo noo fududee..

[gegiroor]

When they can't prove anything, they start throwing insults, and hide behind Wahhabists this, Wahhabist that. It is not the fault of Sunni Wahhabi Muslims that you Waaqists can't provide any proof for this savage, pagan, and primitive superstition, called Waaq that some are running with

Let me repeat my points:

1. You'll never find Somalis using Waaq when they're referring to ALLAH. That has been my arguments throughout this thread. After Somalis started converting to Islam, they ditched it, throwing it to the sewage. If Waaq was referred to the One and the Only GOD, it would have been kept, the same way that Somalis use "Eebe", "Weyne".

Keep in mind "Rabbi" means the lord in Arabic, "Macbuud" means the one who is worshiped in Arabic as well. The topic is about that pre-Islamic belief, and not after Somalis converted to Islam.

2. Some have referred to Qaalu as the religious scholars of the supposedly Waaqist religion in the Oramo language. However, when we look at the Somali language, you will find that we use Waddaad or Waddaado (in plural terms). Since Wadd is the root word for Waddaad, and it has been documented to be a deity in the past, it is pointing to us that there was another deity that was worshiped in the past, and Waaq was not the only that the people worshiped.

3. There is no proof that the Waaq superstition was a monotheistic faith. We were oral society, and to understand it we can only follow what is recorded in our oral tradition. It is very possible that different deities were worshiped in different parts of Horn of Africa. The presence of other deities in the Somali language is a clear indicator.

4. The only reliable source in this discussion is the Holy Qur'an and authentic hadiths since false gods were clearly mentioned, and Yauq is one of them, same as Bal, Hubaal, Wadd, and others, as I've shown before.

5. When Somalis ditched the pagan customs, they were mainstream Shafi'i. That tells you the Wahhabist charge does not hold water.

I am done. It has been a good discussion.

[waryaa]

I have always believed waaq means creator, God.

This guy describes it eloquent and makes some good points http://beeshadireed.blogspot.com/2011_0 ... e.html?m=1 If you read and sustitute the word waaq for God, u can clearly see that they are are talking about the same entity.

too bad if u can't read somali.

In reference to evidence, the burden is on the side that argues it was a pagan belief.

[GalliumerianSlayer]

i think most somalis use ilaah. ilahay nan ku dhartay. ilaahayoo noo fududee..

Most, including me do use Ilaahi.

[Lalune]

There is a town in the Somalia/Ethiopian border called caabud'waaq were they still worship Waaq and make offerings every friday of dried khat leafes and garlic mixed water. You should speak to the elders of that town to get more info

You're joking right? I've never heard that before! I will have to ask around, but something tells me that is bs. These ppl don't even know what waaq is.