Somalis had a beutiful relationship between Sunnis and Sufi, Southern Somalia :(

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Somalis are either sunni and Sufi not Right wing Salafism!

We must protect our kids from Qatari/Saudi influence.

[mahoka]

Spare us your verbal xaar Warya. Go and eat your xalwad somewhere else.

[TheMightyNomad]

First of all Sufis are Sunni, The ones in Somalia follow Shafi'ci madhab and maintain a sunni aqidah.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO_5mls6Zr4

[Geeljire252]

Don't say salafi, say Wahabbi.

Salaf= the prophet (scw)'s generation, the generation after him and the generation after them. The 3 generations following the prophet (scw).

The salaf we described as the best of all Muslims, "the best of his ummah" in a Hadith by the prophet (scw).



Wahabbi is a cult made by Muhammad ibn Abd in the 18th century in the remote, sparsely populated region of Najd, Saudi Arabia. Followers of his cult (khawaarij/Wahabbi) are not salaf.

[gegiroor]

The obsession with Sunni Wahhabi Muslims is beyond belief. This people don't even respect the fact that Al-Wahhab is one of the names of ALLAH (swt).

What many don't know is Sunni Muslims who follow the teachings of Sheikh Muhammad Bin Wahhab (May Allah be pleased with him) are part of the Hanbali School of Thought in Sunni Islam.

Somehow people associate their opposition to the House of Saud with Muslims who follow the teachings of the aforementioned sheikh. In Saudi Arabia, the biggest opponents of the House of Saud are the Wahhabi Muslims. Their leaders are being hunt down, and tens of thousands of them are either in prison or were killed.

That said, it is just sad how these Somali boards are being turned into Islam bashing sites. Indeed very sad. It used to be controlled, but it is obvious the current propagation of kufr in this board is one that has the support of the forum moderation, admins, and owners.

Besides, the people who defend Islam today, particularly Sunni Muslims, are the Salafis. The grave-going Sufi beggars don't do anything. Just like the atheists, the grave-going Sufi beggars are just expressing hate online.

All that is left in grave-going Sufi beggars are "Madad ya jeylaani,agifnaa yaguuthu".

[Grant]

Gegi,

Here's the history:

"Upon his expulsion from 'Uyayna, Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab was invited to settle in neighboring Diriyah by its ruler Muhammad bin Saud. After some time in Diriyah, Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab concluded his second and more successful agreement with a ruler.[31] Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab and Muhammad bin Saud agreed that, together, they would bring the Arabs of the peninsula back to the "true" principles of Islam as they saw it. According to one source, when they first met, bin Saud declared:

"This oasis is yours, do not fear your enemies. By the name of God, if all Nejd was summoned to throw you out, we will never agree to expel you."
— Madawi al-Rasheed, A History of Saudi Arabia: 16

Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab replied:

"You are the settlement's chief and wise man. I want you to grant me an oath that you will perform jihad (Struggle to spread Islam) against the unbelievers. In return you will be imam, leader of the Muslim community and I will be leader in religious matters."
— Madawi al-Rasheed, A History of Saudi Arabia: 16

The agreement was confirmed with a mutual oath of loyalty (bay'ah) in 1744.[32] Ibn Abd al-Wahhab would be responsible for religious matters and Ibn Saud in charge of political and military issues.[31] This agreement became a "mutual support pact" [33][34] and power-sharing arrangement[35] between the Al Saud family, and the Al ash-Sheikh and followers of Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab, which has remained in place for nearly 300 years,[36] providing the ideological impetus to Saudi expansion.[37]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ ... _al-Wahhab

I assume you are aware of the Wahhaabbi madrasas and their funding.

[Shirib]

Both Sufi and Salafi are Sunni. Both groups have their extreme fringes but still fall under Sunni Islam.

[gegiroor]

The missionary of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism) aka Grant,

You're running with Wikipedia article as if what is posted there can be used as facts. That is some propaganda there and it has no facts. Listen to Sheikh Yusuf Estes, a former catholic priest and one of today's Islamic scholars on his take on Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abd al-Wahhab (May ALLAH be pleased with him):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeN_hCqddhs



p.s. The world came down to one of the Mormon's missionary telling us about one of the best Islamic scholars in the 18th century

I will check some more facts and bust the crap that you , stinking atheists, flesh-eating waaqist, and the people of innovation aka grave-going Sufi beggars were putting out!

[Grant]

Gegi,

Why listen to an ex-Catholic priest? Please note this source:

https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabia-movem ... corruption

"In his book Kashful al-Shubuhat, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab called all Muslims, with the exception of his followers, idolaters about 24 times. Other labels he used to describe them were: heretics, idols' worshippers apostates, anti-divine unity, enemies of divine unity, Allah's enemies and perfidious Muslims in 20 different parts of the same book. His followers copied him in this practice.1

It is essential to ask here if this doctrine was truly based on a consensus of learned scholars or is it a Wahhabi bida' or corruption? Ibn Hazim, the well- known Sunni scholar, asserted that «a Muslim can not be called a heretic or a sinner on the bases of his opinions whether made in the form of a doctrine or a religious decree. After mentioning numerous religious scholars who endorsed this viewpoint he concluded that it was the consensus of all Companions who commented on it.»2

According to Ibn Taimia only the Khawarij judged other Muslims to be heretics on the bases of their sins and learned opinions or deductions.3 As such, the Wahhabis have no precedent supporting this bida' except the infamous Khawarij."

[gegiroor]

To Muslims, here is a website listing Kitaab At-Tawheed, the book that was written by Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (May Allah be pleased with him): http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/creed/abdulwahab/

Check how the tawheed is explained in that book with any renowned Shafi'i, Hanafi, Hanbali, and Maliki Islamic scholar and see it for yourself if they have any issues with it. You'll not find one.

p.s. there are exceptions such as the Rafi'da scholars and grave-going Sufi beggars' ulema. Stay clear from these, and go to the other Islamic scholars in the four branches of Sunni Islam.

[Grant]

https://bankwahabi.wordpress.com/2006/0 ... e-part-10/

"A significant number of Muslim scholars have countered the Wahabi movement with books and disertations refuting their beliefs and exposing the falsehood of their arguments and their deviation from the Holy Book, The Traditions and the faith of early Muslims. A list of some of these books follows:

1. Al-Khawaja al-Sirhindi, Al-Usool al-Arbafi Tardeedal-Wahabia.

2. Al-Shaikh al-Mushrifi al-Maliki, Idhar al-Ukook mimin Mana’ al-Tawasil bi al-Nabi wa al-Wali al-Sadooq.

3. Muhammad ata-Allah, Al-Aqwa’l al-Mardia fi al-Rad ala al- Wahabia.

4. Al-Shaikh Tahir Sunbil al-Hanafi, Al-Intisar lilAwlia’al-Abrar.

5. Al-Shaikh Ibraheem al-Rawi, Al-Awraq al-Baghdadiafi al-Hawadith al-Najdia.

6. Al-Shaikh Salman al-Azami, Al-Baraheen al-Satia’.

7. Al-Shaikh Hamadallah al-Dajawi, Al-Basair li Munkiri al-Tawasil.

8. Nassir al-Saeed, Tarikh al-Saud.

9. Al-Shaikh Abdullah ibn Abdu Latif al-Shafi, Tajreed Saif al-Jihad li Muda’i al-Ijtihad.

10. Al-Shaikh Abdullah ibn Ibraheem Merghani, Tahreth al-Aqbia ala al-Istiqatha bi al-Anbia wa al-Awlia.

11. Al-Shaikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Rahman al-Hanbali, Tahakum al-Muqalideen bi min Ida’Tajdeed al-Deen.

12. Abu Hamid ibn Marzook, Al-Tawasil bi al-Nabi wa bi al-Saliheen.

13. Al-Shaikh Ibraheem Hilmi, Jalal al-Haqfi KashfAhwal Shirar al-Khalq.

14. Malik Dawood, Al-Haqaiq al-Islamia fi al-Ra’d ala al-Mazaim al-Wahabia bi

Ail’lat al-Kitab wa al-Sunna al-Nabawia.

15. Ahmed ibn Zaini Dahlan, Khulasat al-Kalam fi Umara al-Balad al-Haram.

16 – ———– Al-Durur al-Sania, fi al-Ra’d ala al- Wahabia.

l7———— Fitnat al-Wahabia.

18. Al-Shaikh Ismail AI-Tamimi al-Maliki al-Tunisi, Ra’d ala Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab.

19. Al-Sakih al-Hanbali Abdul Muhsin al-Ushaikiri, A 1-Ra’d ala al- Wahabia.

20. Al-Shaikh Ibraheem ibn Abdul Kadir al-Riahi al-Tunisi al-Maliki, Ra’d ala al-Wahabia.

21. Al-Shaikh Ibraheem ibn Uthman al-Samnoodi al-Masri, Sa’dat al-Darain fi al-Ra’d ala al-Furkatain al-Wahabia wa Muqalidat al-Dahria.

22. Abu Hamid Marzook, Al-Saif al-Batir li Unq al-Munkir ala al-Akabir.

23. Shah Fadhil Rasool AI-Qadiri, Saif al-Jabar al-Maslool ala A’dai al-Abrar.

24. AI-Shaikh Dawood ibn Sulaiman al-Baghdadi, Sulh al-Ikhwan fl al-Ra’d ala min Qal bi al-Shurk wa al-Kufran.

25.Al-Shaikh Sulaiman ibn Abdul Wahab, Al-Sawaiq al-Ilahia fi al-Ra’d ala

at- Wahabia.

26———– Fasil al-Khitab fi al-Rad ala Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab.

27. Al-Shaikh Jameel Sidqi al-Zahawi, Al-Fajr al-Sadiq.

28. Muhsin al-Ameen, Kashf al-Irtiabfi Atba’ Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab.

29. Muhammad Jawad Mugania, Hathi Hia al-Wahabia.

———————————————————————————————————————

References

1. Sulaiman ibn Abdul Wahab, Al-Ra’d ala al-Wahabia, p. 7; Ibid., Fittiat al-Wahabia, p. 5; Mahmoud Shukri al-Aloosi, Al-Sawa’ik al-Ilahia fi al-Ra’d ala al- Wahabia.

2. Muhammad Abda, Al-Islam wa al-Nasrania, 8th edition, p. 97.

3. Ibn Taimia, Majmi’at Fatawa ibn Taimia, vol. 3, p.

399.

4. Ibn Taimia, Ra’s al-Hussain, p. 209.

5. Al- San’ani, Tat’hear al-I’tiqad, p. 7.

6. Ibn Taimia, Al-Ziara, vol. 7, pp. 10 I- 106.

7. Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab, Al-Ra’sal al-A’mlia al-Tisa’, p. 120.

8. Abdul Latif ibn Abdul Wahab [grandson of the founder], Al-Hadia al-Sania, Part Four.

9. Ibn Taimia, Tafseer Sura al-Noor, pp. 178-179.

10. Ibn Taimia, Muqadima fi Usool al-Tafseer, p. 5 1.

11. Cited by al-Shawkani in Fatih al-Qadeer, vol. 1, p. 272.

12. Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab, Al-Ra’sal al-A’mlia al-Tisa’, p. 79; Ibid., Fatih al-Majeed, pp. 40-41 Ibid., Arba’al-Quaid; Ibid., Kashful al-Shubuhat; al-San’ani, Tat’hearal -I’tiqad, pp. 7, 12, 25.

13. Ibn- Hazim, Al-Fasil, vol. 2, p. 247; Al-Sharani, Al-Yawaqeet wa al-Jawahir, ch. 58.

14. Ibn Taimia, Majmut Fatawa, vol. 13, p. 20.

15. Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab, Kashful al-Shubuhat; AI-San’ani, Tat’hearal-Itiqad.

16. The Quran 1:5.

17. The Quran 21:28.

18. The Quran 34:23.

19. Ibn Taimia, Majmut al-Fatawa, vol. 13, p. 20.

20. Saheeh al-Bukhari, Kitab al-Tawheed, part 57,No. 7123.

21. AI-Qastalani, Irshad al-Sari, Dar al-Fikr, vol. 15, p. 626.

22. Zaini Dahlan, Fitnat al- Wahabia, p. 19.

23. Ibn Taimia, Majmut al-Fatawa, vol. 13. p. 32.

24. Saheeh al-Bukhari, Kitab Istitabat al-Murtadean, part 5.

25. Hamaion Hima’yati, Al-Wahabia: Nakd wa Tahlee"

[gegiroor]

Gegi,

Why listen to an ex-Catholic priest? Please note this source:

https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabia-movem ... corruption

"In his book Kashful al-Shubuhat, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab called all Muslims, with the exception of his followers, idolaters about 24 times. Other labels he used to describe them were: heretics, idols' worshippers apostates, anti-divine unity, enemies of divine unity, Allah's enemies and perfidious Muslims in 20 different parts of the same book. His followers copied him in this practice.1

It is essential to ask here if this doctrine was truly based on a consensus of learned scholars or is it a Wahhabi bida' or corruption? Ibn Hazim, the well- known Sunni scholar, asserted that «a Muslim can not be called a heretic or a sinner on the bases of his opinions whether made in the form of a doctrine or a religious decree. After mentioning numerous religious scholars who endorsed this viewpoint he concluded that it was the consensus of all Companions who commented on it.»2

According to Ibn Taimia only the Khawarij judged other Muslims to be heretics on the bases of their sins and learned opinions or deductions.3 As such, the Wahhabis have no precedent supporting this bida' except the infamous Khawarij."

Grant,

First, since you're a non-Muslim and and a Mormon - whose is, btw, considered a cult by other Christians , it brings a joy to my heart that you don't like Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (May ALLAH be pleased with him). And the reason is the Sheikh must have done something that displeases you. So is Sheikh Ibn Taymiyah as well (May Allah be pleased with him). I have seen you in the past of slandering him. But since you're a kufar, to us, your slander is clear testament to great work of both sheikhs. Maasha'Allah.

Second, the website that you're running with, http://www.al-islam.org, is a Shia mouthpiece.

Third, you're trying to convince the Muslims here about your dislike of Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (May ALLAH be pleased with him) when that Rafida site that you're using as as a source is attacking the first three rightly guided leaders in Islam: Abu-Bakar (ra), Omar (ra), and Uthman (ra). For the Muslims, who will be reading this thread, here is the link where those dirty Rafida Shia are slandering those rightly guided khalifs: https://www.al-islam.org/ask-those-who- ... mar-uthman.

Fourth, do we expect the same people who're slandering the first 3 caliphs of Islam, the companions of the Propthet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), to say something good about a Sunni sheikh, who came 1200 years later and was exposing the heretic practices of the Rafida Shia? We don't and anything they say about him is bogus. Truth is, the people who don't respect the first caliphs of Islam and Aisha (ra) - the wife of the Prophet - would never respect a Sunni Muslim sheikh who came 12 centuries later.

Lastly, I shouldn't be discussing internal Muslim issues with a kufar like you. If you want to open a debate topic between your cult, Mormons, and the Muslims, open a separate thread. Since you aint Muslim, you just made my job easy by using a Rafida site as a source. Bye now!

[gegiroor]

I must also state Sheikh Yusuf is a great Islamic scholar; and amongst the Sunni Muslims, his research and opinion on Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (May ALLAH be pleased with him) carries more weight than the slander written in these anti-Muslim forums by the Mormons, atheists, and grave-going Sufi beggars - who all they do always is to ally themselves with the enemies of Islam.

[grandpakhalif]

Gerigoor has destroyed the old Mormon, where is he anyway? Perhaps molesting a child in Utah

[GalliumerianSlayer]

I must also state Sheikh Yusuf is a great Islamic scholar; and amongst the Sunni Muslims, his research and opinion on Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (May ALLAH be pleased with him) carries more weight than the slander written in these anti-Muslim forums by the Mormons, atheists, and grave-going Sufi beggars - who all they do always is to ally themselves with the enemies of Islam.

An Arab masquerading as a Somali person? Go back to Yemen, oh wait Yemen is a failed state ,useless people, etc..