Somalis had a beutiful relationship between Sunnis and Sufi, Southern Somalia :(

[gegiroor]

I. Some of the Muslim scholars who praised the work of Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (ra):

1. Dr Yusuf al-Qardhawi

Dr Yusuf al-Qardhawi in his book, Fiqh al-Awlawiyyaat, praised him by saying:
“For al-Imām Muhammad bin `Abdul Wahhāb in the Arabian peninsula, `aqīdah (Islamic creed) was of his utmost importance in protecting the purity of tawhīd (oneness of Allah) which had been smeared and tainted by shirk (the act of ascribing partners to Allah). He had written books and treatises regarding this topic. He rose and carried the struggle through da`wah (inviting people to Islam), and was practical in destroying acts of shirk” (p. 263, Eqypt: Maktabah Wahbah)

Source: http://drmaza.com/english_section/?p=92

2. Dr Wahbah al-Zuhaili

In addition, Dr Wahbah al-Zuhaili also praised him when he said:
“A thing that is without a doubt in itself, realizing its actual truth, not intending to please others, will hold strong to the verse of the Noble Qur’ān:
“… do not deprive the people of their due…” [Surah Hūd 11:85];
that the bravest voice of truth, the greatest Islamic caller (dā`i) for islāh (reformation), in building the ummah, jihad (struggling) and guiding the Muslims to the way of the salafus sālih (pious predecessors) is the da`wah of Muhammad bin `Abd al Wahhāb in the 12th century Hijri. His objective was to revive (purify) the lives of the Muslims after being tarnished with various differences (khilāf), religious misunderstandings, bid`ah (religious innovations), and corruptions. Thus Muhammad bin `Abd al-Wahhāb was a leader of Islamic revivalism and reformation that was much anticipated, whom manifested the pure unadulterated `aqīdah..” (Dr Wahbah al-Zuhaili, p. 57-58, Risalah Mujaddid al-Deen fi Qarn al-Thaani `Ashr)

Source: http://drmaza.com/english_section/?p=92

II. It should be also understood that many famous Islamic scholars were either punished or expelled - the same treatment that were subjected to Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (ra), where he was expelled from town to town. We can cite 2 Islamic scholars who went through a similar treatment:

........Imam [Mohamed Idriss] as-Shafi`i[/b], rahimahullah, was accused as a supporter of Syi`ah in his time that he was punished because of it. [ Imam al-Bukhari, , rahimahullah, was accused to have Mu`tazilite understanding with regard to the Qur’an, that he was expelled from his own village.

This shows us whenever a Muslim scholar tried to help Islam and challenge the status quo, they all faced all harships.
Source: http://drmaza.com/english_section/?p=92

[Grant]

[gegiroor]

Gerigoor has destroyed the old Mormon, where is he anyway? Perhaps molesting a child in Utah

[gegiroor]

Did Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab rebel against the Ottoman Caliphate and what was the reason for its fall?

Here is great article about it with sources mentioned: https://islamqa.info/en/9243

[gegiroor]

Grant, you know you and other fellow Islamophobes have been busted. Coming up with Donald Trump cartoons and bogus websites won't make it a fact.

We have today's renowned Sunni Islamic scholars, such as Sheikh Yusuf Estes, Dr Yusuf Qadrawi, Dr Wahbah al-Zuhaili, and many others praising Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (ra), so what is the weight of statements that gaal like you make about our deceased Sheikh and his work? Zilch.

We have well-established Muslim religious sites, like https://islamqa.info, defending his work, so any amount of copy/paste that you do from Rafi'da and deviant Sufi sitess won't do any good for you.

Oops, I forgot I was talking to a Mormon, a group that is considered by mainstream Christians as cult and bogus

[Geeljire252]

The obsession with Sunni Wahhabi Muslims is beyond belief. This people don't even respect the fact that Al-Wahhab is one of the names of ALLAH (swt).

What many don't know is Sunni Muslims who follow the teachings of Sheikh Muhammad Bin Wahhab (May Allah be pleased with him) are part of the Hanbali School of Thought in Sunni Islam.

Somehow people associate their opposition to the House of Saud with Muslims who follow the teachings of the aforementioned sheikh. In Saudi Arabia, the biggest opponents of the House of Saud are the Wahhabi Muslims. Their leaders are being hunt down, and tens of thousands of them are either in prison or were killed.

That said, it is just sad how these Somali boards are being turned into Islam bashing sites. Indeed very sad. It used to be controlled, but it is obvious the current propagation of kufr in this board is one that has the support of the forum moderation, admins, and owners.

Besides, the people who defend Islam today, particularly Sunni Muslims, are the Salafis. The grave-going Sufi beggars don't do anything. Just like the atheists, the grave-going Sufi beggars are just expressing hate online.

All that is left in grave-going Sufi beggars are "Madad ya jeylaani,agifnaa yaguuthu".

Before you defend him just know these two things.
1) you are now on Cia no fly list
2) al Azhar scholars described it as a "satanic cult".



Also find me one ayah or Hadith that advocates suicide bombings against innocents (especially muslims), destruction of graves, forcing people into Islam because of fear or getting killed and the many heinous crimes they commit.

[gegiroor]

Before you defend him just know these two things.
1) you are now on Cia no fly list

I already go through extra scrutiny whenever I am flying. I am used to it, and usually I don't make a big fuzz about it. The last time I got back from Somalia, I had someone sitting next to me from Dubai. When I came to Amerstadam and was about to board a flight to US, they took me out of the line, took me to another room in a basement and inspected everything that I had. They even got my bags out of the plane, brought it in front of me, checked everything. When they finished their search, the guy told me you're done, go and checkin your plane. When I asked why the extra scrutiny, he stated because you went to Somalia. I asked him how do you know? He laughed at me, and said he knew it before I even came to Holland.

That said, I learned how to walk in the fine line. I defend Islam and Muslims but never support violence nor do I incite others to commit violence. As long as one stays clear from that line, everything else is under freedom of speech.

Don't forget Grant is from secret services or FBI. He has already retired from CIA. Remember the Peace Corps under JFK. They were all working for American intelligence and was also spreading Christianity as well. You noticed how he loves the Somali Bantu in Jilib and Jamaame. That should ring a bell

2) al Azhar scholars described it as a "satanic cult".

Sheikh Yusuf Qadrawi is from Al-Azhar and one of the renowned Islamic scholars living today. I've shown how he has praised of this sheikh. You need to learn more about Sheikh Muahammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (ra). He did a lot of good but didn't reach the level of Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, or Ahmed Hanbali when it comes to Islamic jurisprudence (figh). That is my view. However, he stood up to heresy, and his work has greatly benefited hundreds of millions of Muslims. This is where he came in direct conflict with Shia and extreme, deviant Sufis. He challenged them to come up a verse in the Noble Quran and authentic hadith that justified their heretic practices. This is why you see so much animosity from these 2 groups to the sheikh and his followers.

Fyi, Sunni Wahhabi Muslims are part the Hanbali School of Thought when it comes to a particular jurisprudence. Some may follow Shafi'i on certain rulings, but by in large they are part of Hanbali School of Thought.

Also find me one ayah or Hadith that advocates suicide bombings against innocents (especially muslims), destruction of graves, forcing people into Islam because of fear or getting killed and the many heinous crimes they commit.

I will not give you a verse as I will not delve into that level. Like I said before I know the boundaries that I shouldn't cross and this is one of it. But you should know even Lebanese Hezbollah, which is Shia, used to carry out those 'suicide' bombings against Israeli forces. In Afghanistan, Taliban used to and still carries them out as well, and they're overwhelmingly Sunni Hanafi movement. In Iraq, majority of the Sunni Muslims are either Shafi'i or Naqshbandi Order - which is a Sufi group. Yet, they used to carry out those operations during the occupation of Iraq.

That said, the scholars differ on their justifications, and I am not an Islamic scholar. So I don't know but would never encourage anyone from getting involved with these types of acts.

Do you know the blind Egyptian sheikh, Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, who is in prison in the US went to jail because someone asked him the same question. Be careful here.

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Too many Arab booty lickers on this site.

[Geeljire252]

Before you defend him just know these two things.
1) you are now on Cia no fly list

I already go through extra scrutiny whenever I am flying. I am used to it, and usually I don't make a big fuzz about it. The last time I got back from Somalia, I had someone sitting next to me from Dubai. When I came to Amerstadam and was about to board a flight to US, they took me out of the line, took me to another room in a basement and inspected everything that I had. They even got my bags out of the plane, brought it in front of me, checked everything. When they finished their search, the guy told me you're done, go and checkin your plane. When I asked why the extra scrutiny, he stated because you went to Somalia. I asked him how do you know? He laughed at me, and said he knew it before I even came to Holland.

That said, I learned how to walk in the fine line. I defend Islam and Muslims but never support violence nor do I incite others to commit violence. As long as one stays clear from that line, everything else is under freedom of speech.

Don't forget Grant is from secret services or FBI. He has already retired from CIA. Remember the Peace Corps under JFK. They were all working for American intelligence and was also spreading Christianity as well. You noticed how he loves the Somali Bantu in Jilib and Jamaame. That should ring a bell

2) al Azhar scholars described it as a "satanic cult".

Sheikh Yusuf Qadrawi is from Al-Azhar and one of the renowned Islamic scholars living today. I've shown how he has praised of this sheikh. You need to learn more about Sheikh Muahammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (ra). He did a lot of good but didn't reach the level of Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, or Ahmed Hanbali when it comes to Islamic jurisprudence (figh). That is my view. However, he stood up to heresy, and his work has greatly benefited hundreds of millions of Muslims. This is where he came in direct conflict with Shia and extreme, deviant Sufis. He challenged them to come up a verse in the Noble Quran and authentic hadith that justified their heretic practices. This is why you see so much animosity from these 2 groups to the sheikh and his followers.

Fyi, Sunni Wahhabi Muslims are part the Hanbali School of Thought when it comes to a particular jurisprudence. Some may follow Shafi'i on certain rulings, but by in large they are part of Hanbali School of Thought.

Also find me one ayah or Hadith that advocates suicide bombings against innocents (especially muslims), destruction of graves, forcing people into Islam because of fear or getting killed and the many heinous crimes they commit.

I will not give you a verse as I will not delve into that level. Like I said before I know the boundaries that I shouldn't cross and this is one of it. But you should know even Lebanese Hezbollah, which is Shia, used to carry out those 'suicide' bombings against Israeli forces. In Afghanistan, Taliban used to and still carries them out as well, and they're overwhelmingly Sunni Hanafi movement. In Iraq, majority of the Sunni Muslims are either Shafi'i or Naqshbandi Order - which is a Sufi group. Yet, they used to carry out those operations during the occupation of Iraq.

That said, the scholars differ on their justifications, and I am not an Islamic scholar. So I don't know but would never encourage anyone from getting involved with these types of acts.

Do you know the blind Egyptian sheikh, Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, who is in prison in the US went to jail because someone asked him the same question. Be careful here.

You see you failed to answer my question.

There is no ayah or Hadith that permits suicide let alone suicide bombings. Infact Islam teaches us the exact opposite, that life is a gift entrusted upon you (amaano) by allah. You are not allowed to end it. It is 100% haram
Furthermore, the majority that die in these coward attacks are Muslims not "gaalo". And we all know anyone who kills another Muslim will not even smell Jannah forget about enter it.

Secondly Islam teaches to respect the graves of dead people. Wahabbis go against this and dig up graves and destroy them.



What these Wahabbi organisations are doing is not only against Islam, it is against all human life.
Islam doesn't teach us to loot, kill, decapitate, rape and use child soldiers which are all used by Wahabbi organisations such as daesh, boko shaytaan, al shayadiin etc.

Islam is merciful not the way these shayadiin portray it.
The rules of war in Islam are as follows.
https://youtu.be/saAZhV__p1I


Diinta waa nasteexo.
لايكلف الله نفساً إلا وسعها
Stop portraying our religion as evil. What these terrorist shayadiin do is not allowed in our religion.

That fact you say رضي الله عنه‎‎ after Muhammad Abd-wahab's name tells everyone you lack basic knowledge about Islam. That is used when mentioning a companion of the prophet scw. Is he a companion of the prophet scw?
No


As for mr Grant. Don't use him as a scapegoat. You are wrong for supporting and defending a "satanic cult" as described by our scholars.

[kanadiid90]

this what they used to teach us back in saudi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Jp_XCvVto

disagree with a wahabi and they will label you a kaffir

[gegiroor]

^About suicide bombings, I refused to answer it, but gave you the different groups - which are from Shia, Sunni Hanafi, Sunni Shafi'i,and Sufi - which carried them out. One should ask himself how can all of these different groups carry them out when they follow different schools of thought or in different sects?? I already gave my view that I don't agree with, but I am not privy to the circumstances where they occur. I will leave it there for reasons that I've already given.

Secondly Islam teaches to respect the graves of dead people. Wahabbis go against this and dig up graves and destroy them.

My response:

Worshiping the occupants in the graves, as deviant Sufis do, is haram in Islam.

Source: https://islamqa.info/en/13490

Praise be to Allaah.

“Worship Allaah and join none with Him (in worship)” [al-Nisa’ 4:36]

“Verily, Allaah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners (in worship) with Him, but He forgives whom He wills, sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allaah, has indeed strayed far away” [al-Nisa’ 4:116]

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You can follow the rest of discussion there

For DAESH, Al-Shabaab, and Boko Haram, who said they are all Wahabists?

-The current Al-Shabaab are Somali warlords run by the Ethiopian intelligence. What do they have to do with Salafiya? The're just hiding behind religion but are mooryaan run by Somalia's arch enemy in order to destabilize it.

-Boko Haram: I have no idea who they are.

-DAESH's make up is Shaf'i, Sufi, and Salafists. It is a make-up of all Sunni groups in Iraq. I don't agree with their methods, but sharing the facts doesn't hurt. The main force is former Baathists who are not Salafists. Check here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ra/aqi.htm

One reason Daesh [Isis] was so successful was because many of their founding members, including the top strategist, were part of Saddam Hussein’s professional security apparatus. Former Iraqi intelligence officers gave the organization a “religious face” in 2010. “We will appoint the smartest ones as Sharia sheiks... We will train them for a while and then dispatch them,” the ISIS mastermind Haji Bakr, whose real name was Samir Abd Muhammad al-Khlifawi, noted. “Brothers” would be selected in each town to marry the daughters of the most influential families, in order to "ensure penetration of these families without their knowledge.” Haji Bakr, the strategic head of ISIS, was killed in a firefight in 2014, but left behind information regarding a trove of blueprints for ISIS intelligence services’ structure and plans of a takeover of large parts of Syrian territory.

Hamza Hendawi and Qassim Abdul-Zahra of the Associated Press reported 08 August 2015 that "the Islamic State group's top command is dominated by former officers from Saddam's military and intelligence agencies, according to senior Iraqi officers on the front lines of the fight against the group, as well as top intelligence officials, including the chief of a key counterterrorism intelligence unit."

Patrick Skinner, a former CIA case officer who served in Iraq, said Saddam-era military and intelligence officers were a "necessary ingredient" in the Islamic State group's battlefield successes in 2014. "Their military successes last year were not terror, they were military successes," said Skinner, now director of special projects for The Soufan Group, a private strategic intelligence services firm.

It was backed by former military officers and other members of Saddam Hussein's regime -- including the Naqshabandi Army led by Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, the former regime's number two leader who eluded US and Iraqi forces ever since the 2003 US-led invasion. The reinvigorated Ba'athist Party, known as the Jaysh Rijal al-Tariqah al-Naqshabandia (JRTN), clings to Baathist ideology and often mix it with Islamic sufi ideology. JRTN and the ISIL worked together in Fallujah, where they have been battling government troops since January 2014. In conjunction with ISIL they were able to take Mosul. Overwhelmingly a majority of the fighters under the ISIL banner were Iraqi.

Izzat Al-Douri, the last from Saddam's inner circle, is a Sufi from the Naqshbandi Order. You can read his group here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_t ... andi_Order

Hating Al-Shabaab - which is justified - shouldn't blind one from knowing the facts on other regions and your faith as well. I used to be like many people who throw whole kinds of accusations, but as I read more and talk to people, I learned the reality is much more complex.

As for Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab (ra) was a great Islamic scholar that has exposed the shirk that the deviant Sufis and Shia were committing while they were attributing their shirk to the faith. He leveled with them, exposed them, to the point where they are cleansed today from Hejaz and majority of Najd regions. May Allah reward him for his efforts and take him to Jannatul Fardowza. Ameen.

Now, we're not agree, so no point in going circles.

I am outta here as I've said what I could've said

[gegiroor]

That fact you say رضي الله عنه‎‎ after Muhammad Abd-wahab's name tells everyone you lack basic knowledge about Islam. That is used when mentioning a companion of the prophet scw. Is he a companion of the prophet scw?
No

Yes, we can say "May Allah be pleased with him (or her)" for a non-Sahabi Muslim. Please see the below narrations.

Source: http://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa/7657

Allah Most High Himself uses this phrase in the Qur’an for all pious Muslims. He Most High says:

“Those who have faith and do righteous deeds, they are the best of creatures. Their reward is with their Lord. Gardens of eternity, beneath which rivers flow; they will dwell therein for ever; Allah will be well-pleased with them, and they with Him. That is for such who fears his Lord.” (Surah al-Bayyinah, V. 7-8)

In the above and other such verses, Allah Most High promises His pleasure (rida) for the faithful and righteous Muslims, as He has promised many other things, such as entering paradise, immunity from punishment in Hell, salvation, etc. So, as it is permitted to make Dua for a believer that he/she enters heaven, has salvation in the hereafter, etc, it will be permitted to make Dua for him/her to obtain the pleasure of Allah Most High.

Thus, there is nothing wrong in saying “Radhi Allah Anhu” (may Allah be pleased with him/her) for a non-Sahabi. One may use this term for the Tabi’un, Mujtahid Imams, saints and all Muslims in general. One may even use this term for a living person and say to him “Radhi Allah Anka” (may Allah be pleased with you”. Many times, I heard the Arabs say to one another: “may Allah be pleased with you” in a sense that one is supplicating to Allah and seeking His pleasure for a fellow Muslim brother or sister. It would be similar to any other Dua one makes for a fellow Muslim.

Therefore, the great scholar of Hadith and Shafi’i jurist (faqih), Imam al-Nawawi (may Allah be pleased with him) states:

“It is recommended (mustahab) to seek Allah’s pleasure (taraddi) and mercy (tarahhum) for the Companions (sahaba), their followers (tabi’un) and those after them such as the scholars, worshippers and all good people. Hence, one should say: “may Allah be pleased with him” or “may Allah have mercy on him”, and other similar phrases.

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Sufi are peaceful. They even fought against kebab.

[Geeljire252]

Sufi are peaceful. They even fought against kebab.

This guy is a fool who thinks the destruction of graves is ok in Islam. We are taught the exact opposite: to respect the dead.

Wahabbism goes against the basic fundamentals of Islam. Our scholars from Al-Azhar have described it as a "satanic cult".

I don't know why he's defending them.

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Sufi are peaceful. They even fought against kebab.

This guy is a fool who thinks the destruction of graves is ok in Islam. We are taught the exact opposite: to respect the dead.

Wahabbism goes against the basic fundamentals of Islam. Our scholars from Al-Azhar have described it as a "satanic cult".

I don't know why he's defending them.

I don't like using the term 'Wahabbism' since AL-wahabb is one of Allah's beautiful names.

They are a cult whose influence in Horn of Africa is very worrying.

We need to deal with them in our home country diligently.