Something I have observed about self haters.

[Mahamoud81]

The majority of them appear to be rejects of the Somali community that most Somalis intrinsically despise for some odd reason and it seems to be a reaction to that. Most of them grow up being teased and actively rejected by their Somali peers, which is why they seek non-Somalis and come to glorify their ways and hate other Somalis. They come to believe there is something inherently different and unique about them being rejected and ousted by the "savages", and hence when they stereotype and put down their own people in front of their non-Somali friends they don't really believe they are Somali. The sad thing is those "savages" rejected them and excommunicated from their community, so what does that make them?

Anyone else observe this or is it just me? Why are we so vocal about these dregs in our community if they are our social rejects in the first place regardless of their professional and social achievements?

[bluelovelady]

You are right. Some are successful in career, but they are rejected. Every Self Hater girl that I ever met was someone who has bad habits like drinking, smoking, or take drugs. They hate Somali men for rejecting them for their habits. They hate Somali people. I kinda understand the Somalilanders and the Siju ones, but even then they still hate Somaliland & Siju guys for also rejecting them. It is so strange. Then they always want to complain how much they hate Somali people, but they are the ones that stop you to say hi. Can't stand them at all. I try to cross the street when I see them. I rarely see Self hater Somali men though..I only met 2 in my life. Both were atheists & drinkers professors.

[Raganimo]

I apologize in advance for this essay

I grew up around non-Somalis as I was born and raised in a foreign country. When I came to Europe, i naturally gravitated towards non-Somalis since my Somali was terrible and most of the Somalis were recent arrivals from Mogadishu. The fact that they spoke with a southern dialect made it even worse. I remember there was this kid who said to me "aboowe barooni ma dheelee". When he saw that I was blank he said "barooni ma kasee" and I literally thought he was speaking a foreign language since we say "kubad ma ila ciyaareysaa?"

I never really associated with Somalis in my youth and most of the Somalis in my city thought that I was habashi. Most of them came as qaxooti so they were very different culturally from my family. Plus they generally had a bad reputation so I used to be embarrassed to be associated with them. It's a shameful fact but this is the truth. These niggas even used to get punked by dhegacas of all people

The fact that my father had left Sanaag when he was a kid didn't exactly help either.

This was in my youth. As I became older, I began to understand the importance of being around your own and accepting your people for better or worse. I put a strong emphasis on learning the language, the history, heck I even went hardcore into qabiil history

My point is, for many people it's just ignorance and the fact that, for whatever reason, they never really were around strong, positive, ambitious Somalis so they grew up thinking they were special snowflakes. Notice how most of the self-hating Somalis will tell you that their family is the exception to the rule that all Somalis are bad.

There are kids out there who internalise the negative stereotypes about Somalis and you can't really blame them in most cases.

I remember there was this Somali model in my city who used to only be around white people. Her boyfriend was white, she was plastered all over the city.. very good-looking too. My brother met her by accident at a supermarket and she started to talk to him when she recognized him as Somali. Mind you, he was a lot younger than her and she had no sexual desire for him. She kept asking him about how she could get in touch with the somali community, she wanted to go to weddings etc.. the girl was totally isolated from the community and didn't even speak the language but she desperately wanted to connect with us. Shit was sad. Imagine how she grew up. Probably in some village, surrounded by nothing but whites. Felt inadequate because she didn't really fit in with them so she probably did some research on somali culture and wanted to establish a connection. She was simply a product of her environment.

You never feel truly complete as a human beings until you accept and love your own blood, your own background. This is why I'm big on instilling a strong sense of identity in our youth as I myself have been through the confusion of growing up a stranger, moving from country to country and not truly feeling at home anywhere. It taught me a lot, but it would've benefited me a lot more to avoid going through that phase and having to figure this shit out by myself.

Brothers, it's especially us men who need to lead the way wallahi. Women can say what they want, but at the end of the day they look towards us for guidance and direction. Many of us are failing our communities.

[Tuushi]

^^^ That was a great read. Thank you for sharing.

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

I apologize in advance for this essay

I grew up around non-Somalis as I was born and raised in a foreign country. When I came to Europe, i naturally gravitated towards non-Somalis since my Somali was terrible and most of the Somalis were recent arrivals from Mogadishu. The fact that they spoke with a southern dialect made it even worse. I remember there was this kid who said to me "aboowe barooni ma dheelee". When he saw that I was blank he said "barooni ma kasee" and I literally thought he was speaking a foreign language since we say "kubad ma ila ciyaareysaa?"

I never really associated with Somalis in my youth and most of the Somalis in my city thought that I was habashi. Most of them came as qaxooti so they were very different culturally from my family. Plus they generally had a bad reputation so I used to be embarrassed to be associated with them. It's a shameful fact but this is the truth. These niggas even used to get punked by dhegacas of all people

The fact that my father had left Sanaag when he was a kid didn't exactly help either.

This was in my youth. As I became older, I began to understand the importance of being around your own and accepting your people for better or worse. I put a strong emphasis on learning the language, the history, heck I even went hardcore into qabiil history

My point is, for many people it's just ignorance and the fact that, for whatever reason, they never really were around strong, positive, ambitious Somalis so they grew up thinking they were special snowflakes. Notice how most of the self-hating Somalis will tell you that their family is the exception to the rule that all Somalis are bad.

There are kids out there who internalise the negative stereotypes about Somalis and you can't really blame them in most cases.

I remember there was this Somali model in my city who used to only be around white people. Her boyfriend was white, she was plastered all over the city.. very good-looking too. My brother met her by accident at a supermarket and she started to talk to him when she recognized him as Somali. Mind you, he was a lot younger than her and she had no sexual desire for him. She kept asking him about how she could get in touch with the somali community, she wanted to go to weddings etc.. the girl was totally isolated from the community and didn't even speak the language but she desperately wanted to connect with us. Shit was sad. Imagine how she grew up. Probably in some village, surrounded by nothing but whites. Felt inadequate because she didn't really fit in with them so she probably did some research on somali culture and wanted to establish a connection. She was simply a product of her environment.

You never feel truly complete as a human beings until you accept and love your own blood, your own background. This is why I'm big on instilling a strong sense of identity in our youth as I myself have been through the confusion of growing up a stranger, moving from country to country and not truly feeling at home anywhere. It taught me a lot, but it would've benefited me a lot more to avoid going through that phase and having to figure this shit out by myself.

Brothers, it's especially us men who need to lead the way wallahi. Women can say what they want, but at the end of the day they look towards us for guidance and direction. Many of us are failing our communities.

The responsibility to build, educate and better our communities falls on us. No one else is going to do it for us.

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Raganimo is one of the best posters on SNET at the moment.

[Phinks]

On Snet, I've been constantly accused of being a self-hater. Every time I would try to tell these people that there are more pressing and urgent matters to attend to then gossiping about what some Somali girl does with her vagina, I've been branded as a "self-hater" when in reality, I have more pride then most Somalis I interact with daily.

The problem I have with Somalis today is their small thinking. They can't see the big picture for what it is. The time of tribalism is gone. Every civilisation at one point put an end to this savagery. I mean how is it that I see some pro-Somalilanders voting for remain in the EU but wanting to secede from Somalia?

Some have also accused me of being a self hater while full knowing that I'm an advocate for the greater Somalia project. Siad barre, although what he did was brutal, was justified in attacking the North. He didn't even spare his own darood brothers the Mj's. Say what you want but IMO the true self haters are the landers.

How can a lander be proud of being Somali while being pro-secessionist? Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

Don't you guys want to be a geopolitical force to contend with? A regional power that can garner the respect from all the races of man? Don't you want your views to be considered and have weight in the world stage? At what point will you get tired of all this buffoonery?

I'm proud of my ancestors but the men I see today? Hell naw. But hey, some of you can keep accusing me of hating myself. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Khalid Ali]

On Snet, I've been constantly accused of being a self-hater. Every time I would try to tell these people that there are more pressing and urgent matters to attend to then gossiping about what some Somali girl does with her vagina, I've been branded as a "self-hater" when in reality, I have more pride then most Somalis I interact with daily.

The problem I have with Somalis today is their small thinking. They can't see the big picture for what it is. The time of tribalism is gone. Every civilisation at one point put an end to this savagery. I mean how is it that I see some pro-Somalilanders voting for remain in the EU but wanting to secede from Somalia?

Some have also accused me of being a self hater while full knowing that I'm an advocate for the greater Somalia project. Siad barre, although what he did was brutal, was justified in attacking the North. He didn't even spare his own darood brothers the Mj's. Say what you want but IMO the true self haters are the landers.

How can a lander be proud of being Somali while being pro-secessionist? Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

Don't you guys want to be a geopolitical force to contend with? A regional power that can garner the respect from all the races of man? Don't you want your views to be considered and have weight in the world stage? At what point will you get tired of all this buffoonery?

I'm proud of my ancestors but the men I see today? Hell naw. But hey, some of you can keep accusing me of hating myself. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

First of all Somaliland was never ever part of Somalia Somaliland was a member state of the Somali republic a part of the Somali republic never Somalia , i dont see how being part of Somalia is better economically socially regionally when Somalia is in a bad shape parlty controlled by AU troops and terrorists and incompetent leadership. Somalilanders are the only true Proud Somalis out there who upheld the Somali name trough out the madness of 25 years in somalia. can a Somali from kenya be proud being a Somali a can a somali from Jabuuti be proud to be a Somali can an arab from iraq be proud of being Arab. Somali is an ethnic group surely i am proud being a Somali , doesnt mean i have to put my country on hold., we withdrew from the Union with Somalia because nothing good comes from Somalia war misery homicide attacks bad leadership bad economy yes Somalilanders voted being part of the EU if it was possible for Somaliland to be part of the EU we would ans u can remain part of AMISOM adeer anagu cadaankanu loolana madaw ciiseyn meyno

[Raganimo]

Where are the mods? These two dudes are derailing this thread.
This has nothing to do with Somalia vs Somaliland. Kindly stop farting on this thread.

[Khalid Ali]

is pinks a dude any way he said somalilanders are self haters i had to set him straight now continue your thread.

[Phinks]

On Snet, I've been constantly accused of being a self-hater. Every time I would try to tell these people that there are more pressing and urgent matters to attend to then gossiping about what some Somali girl does with her vagina, I've been branded as a "self-hater" when in reality, I have more pride then most Somalis I interact with daily.

The problem I have with Somalis today is their small thinking. They can't see the big picture for what it is. The time of tribalism is gone. Every civilisation at one point put an end to this savagery. I mean how is it that I see some pro-Somalilanders voting for remain in the EU but wanting to secede from Somalia?

Some have also accused me of being a self hater while full knowing that I'm an advocate for the greater Somalia project. Siad barre, although what he did was brutal, was justified in attacking the North. He didn't even spare his own darood brothers the Mj's. Say what you want but IMO the true self haters are the landers.

How can a lander be proud of being Somali while being pro-secessionist? Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

Don't you guys want to be a geopolitical force to contend with? A regional power that can garner the respect from all the races of man? Don't you want your views to be considered and have weight in the world stage? At what point will you get tired of all this buffoonery?

I'm proud of my ancestors but the men I see today? Hell naw. But hey, some of you can keep accusing me of hating myself. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

First of all Somaliland was never ever part of Somalia Somaliland was a member state of the Somali republic a part of the Somali republic never Somalia , i dont see how being part of Somalia is better economically socially regionally when Somalia is in a bad shape parlty controlled by AU troops and terrorists and incompetent leadership. Somalilanders are the only true Proud Somalis out there who upheld the Somali name trough out the madness of 25 years in somalia. can a Somali from kenya be proud being a Somali a can a somali from Jabuuti be proud to be a Somali can an arab from iraq be proud of being Arab. Somali is an ethnic group surely i am proud being a Somali , doesnt mean i have to put my country on hold., we withdrew from the Union with Somalia because nothing good comes from Somalia war misery homicide attacks bad leadership bad economy yes Somalilanders voted being part of the EU if it was possible for Somaliland to be part of the EU we would ans u can remain part of AMISOM adeer anagu cadaankanu loolana madaw ciiseyn meyno

Your whole "somaliland was never part of Somalia" argument can be boiled down to you defending the colonial borders that were drawn up by a racist cadaan man from continental Europe mere decades ago? This is where you're seriously trying to make a point? What the white man gave you? Are you a man?

It really is pathetic how low we've all fallen. All I want is for Isaaq, Hawiye and darood to get along yet I'm attacked on this forum with such fury it amazes me. Not gonna bother arguing, trying to change the mind of a lander is impossible. Only a few have woken up. It is what it is.

[Phinks]

Where are the mods? These two dudes are derailing this thread.
This has nothing to do with Somalia vs Somaliland. Kindly stop farting on this thread.

No ones derailing shit you dumb cunt. Just highlighting the hypocrisy of landers discussing the topic of self hatred and telling us to "love" ourselves while advocating for secessionism.

[Khalid Ali]

who on earth created the Somalia borders ur grand mother doombiro darood,, they become colonial borders just when it concerns Somaliland where do u think the Somalias border end Tanzania or eritrea?, well let me wake up we cant get along 25 years quarter century is ur proof ceeb head

[Xanuunku]

On Snet, I've been constantly accused of being a self-hater. Every time I would try to tell these people that there are more pressing and urgent matters to attend to then gossiping about what some Somali girl does with her vagina, I've been branded as a "self-hater" when in reality, I have more pride then most Somalis I interact with daily.

The problem I have with Somalis today is their small thinking. They can't see the big picture for what it is. The time of tribalism is gone. Every civilisation at one point put an end to this savagery. I mean how is it that I see some pro-Somalilanders voting for remain in the EU but wanting to secede from Somalia?

Some have also accused me of being a self hater while full knowing that I'm an advocate for the greater Somalia project. Siad barre, although what he did was brutal, was justified in attacking the North. He didn't even spare his own darood brothers the Mj's. Say what you want but IMO the true self haters are the landers.

How can a lander be proud of being Somali while being pro-secessionist? Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

Don't you guys want to be a geopolitical force to contend with? A regional power that can garner the respect from all the races of man? Don't you want your views to be considered and have weight in the world stage? At what point will you get tired of all this buffoonery?

I'm proud of my ancestors but the men I see today? Hell naw. But hey, some of you can keep accusing me of hating myself. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Phinks brother,

Sorry to put you on the spot but what are you exactly doing saxiib? Your mouth piece is tantalising and your words do evoke emotion. What are you studying? What are you goals? Doing anything that will help the second generation of Somali kids in the West or in Somalia? Can we get some insight on the workings of Phinks, you seem like a character

[Raganimo]

Where are the mods? These two dudes are derailing this thread.
This has nothing to do with Somalia vs Somaliland. Kindly stop farting on this thread.

No ones derailing shit you dumb cunt. Just highlighting the hypocrisy of landers discussing the topic of self hatred and telling us to "love" ourselves while advocating for secessionism.

I'm not a lander. Politics has nothing to do with this. Ethnicity/culture and nationality are not the same thing. I guess according to you, Djiboutians, Somali-Ethiopians and Somali-Kenyans have to renounce their Somalinimo..

You're part of the reason why this forum is shit. Xoolo can't even stay on topic. Why do I even try.. smh...

By the way, I'm pretty sure that you suffer from some kind of mental problem.