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Something I have observed about self haters.

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Re: Something I have observed about self haters.

Postby SteadyState » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:36 am

There is a reason alleged "self hating" Somalis are much more successful and better socially adjusted than the rest of the Somali community. Just look at some of the monkeys in the "Politics - Somaliland" and "Politics - General Discussion" sections to see very fine examples of proud Somalis and all of their mud-slinging. :)
Those degenerates in the politics section do not represent all Somalis. Why would you reduce the essence of our culture to fadhi-ku-dirir?
They absolutely do. What is the clan federalism agenda and the balkanization project other than politicized "fadhi-ku-dirir" on a grand scale?

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Re: Something I have observed about self haters.

Postby GalliumerianSlayer » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:12 am

Stick with your own kind and help your own states/land. That's Galmudug, Jubbaland, Banaadir and Sanaag for me.
Somaliland deserves to exist, and we dont need to be a part of Somalia to be proud Somalis. The Somali state is currently too unstable and somaliland now has an opportunity to forge its own path to being a successful nation. Should we wait for the rest of Somalia to be stable, before we start progressing? This could decades, you wish for us to be loyal to the artificial failed state of Somalia even though the state has never never done anything for us except be a source of instability? We are tired of waiting, we will develop on our own accord. And you could share a culture without being in the same country. Im sure all your arguements could be applied to Tigrayans in Eritrea and Ethiopia, yet today they are apart of two,different nations. Arabs also share the same language yet they are split between different nations with different cultures. Austrians, Germans, and Netherlands speak simiilar languages yet they are different nations.
Obviously you'd support Somailand, you're 3/4 Habesha and wish to disunite the Somali people and gain water access to the Gulf of Aden.
Stop living in fantasyland, the Somali people were never united. Was their a united Somali state in the past? We all have different history. And somallia has never functioned as a unified state.
And Ethiopians will get access to berbere port even if you hate it . This is what regional trade is all about. As long as as we are getting paid, they can do whatever they like with berbere port. This is what I mean when I say that is isnt in our interests to be in the failed somali state. Too many Somalis have an inferiority complex and a hatred regarding Habeshas, and theyd rather not have economic relationships with Ethiopia and not let Ethiopia have access to tjh port even if it benefits Somlia immensely, than make peace and flourish together. Unfortunately theres too many stupid Somalis in the south of somaliland who cant see the writing on the wall.
- Being wary of your neighbours constitutes as 'inferior complexity? What am I reading? Stop putting words in my mouth
- 'Somali people were never united' LOOL, THIS PERSON WAS CLEARLY BORN Post 91. Diaspora community before the war were very united since we were few in numbers, blame your other side of the family, the Daroods for f-king up our nation.
- 'Regional trade', please teach yourself economics.
- 'Too many stupid Somalis', yes I'm stupid :roll:
-'Fantasyland' , mate chill.

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Re: Something I have observed about self haters.

Postby GalliumerianSlayer » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:13 am

Ive had a conciousness shift.I disagree with labelling people as pejorative ''Self haters''. By doing so we make them such and they will begin to internalize it. By villanizing people we create hostility and further rejection.

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Self Fulfilling prophecy right there
Correct. so it probably will have an adverse effect. We all know why some people reject themselves in our community, instead we need to treat roots causes of it (ideology and narratives) and adressing them.
Labeling sucks, leads to a master status. Unless if you're a violent offender, we should avoid labeling students/people/members of society.

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Re: Something I have observed about self haters.

Postby TheMightyNomad » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:19 am


Self Fulfilling prophecy right there
Correct. so it probably will have an adverse effect. We all know why some people reject themselves in our community, instead we need to treat roots causes of it (ideology and narratives) and adressing them.
Labeling sucks, leads to a master status. Unless if you're a violent offender, we should avoid labeling students/people/members of society.
Yup.. All we need is compassion.

It is quite understandable why some people in our community reject themselves. Because many of us can understand or relate we should be able to speak on it from a place of reason.

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Re: Something I have observed about self haters.

Postby Adal99 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:28 pm

Stick with your own kind and help your own states/land. That's Galmudug, Jubbaland, Banaadir and Sanaag for me.



Obviously you'd support Somailand, you're 3/4 Habesha and wish to disunite the Somali people and gain water access to the Gulf of Aden.
Stop living in fantasyland, the Somali people were never united. Was their a united Somali state in the past? We all have different history. And somallia has never functioned as a unified state.
And Ethiopians will get access to berbere port even if you hate it . This is what regional trade is all about. As long as as we are getting paid, they can do whatever they like with berbere port. This is what I mean when I say that is isnt in our interests to be in the failed somali state. Too many Somalis have an inferiority complex and a hatred regarding Habeshas, and theyd rather not have economic relationships with Ethiopia and not let Ethiopia have access to tjh port even if it benefits Somlia immensely, than make peace and flourish together. Unfortunately theres too many stupid Somalis in the south of somaliland who cant see the writing on the wall.
- Being wary of your neighbours constitutes as 'inferior complexity? What am I reading? Stop putting words in my mouth
- 'Somali people were never united' LOOL, THIS PERSON WAS CLEARLY BORN Post 91. Diaspora community before the war were very united since we were few in numbers, blame your other side of the family, the Daroods for f-king up our nation.
- 'Regional trade', please teach yourself economics.
- 'Too many stupid Somalis', yes I'm stupid :roll:
-'Fantasyland' , mate chill.
Does it look like Ethiopia is planning to conquer Somalia anytime soon? And you do know that the Ethiopian government is not stupid enough to wage war on an alshabab ridden Somalia, unless they want to deal with terrorism and islamic incursions for decades to come. Ethiopia is unstable as it is. The fact that you fear modern day impoverished near busketcase Ethiopia tells me how stupid and illinformed you are of international politics. Right now, Djibouti and Berbere port is more than enough for Ethiopias industrial output for the next few decades, coastal countries have more leverage than Ethiopia which is why somalilanders are getting such a good deal and Ethiopia doesnt want to rattle the cage. The average non somliland somali still thinks we are in the 16th century when it comes to regional politics. They still think we are going to have Ahmed Gragn style wars over lands and resources when international courts determines everything for weak states like
Ethiopia and Somalia. If Ethiopia invaded Somalia theyd have to give back all the territories they gained like in the Eritrean-Ethiopian war of 2000.


Somalilanders are too progressive when it coes to regional politics to be with 16th century mentality Somalia.

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Re: Something I have observed about self haters.

Postby Adal99 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:34 pm

Stick with your own kind and help your own states/land. That's Galmudug, Jubbaland, Banaadir and Sanaag for me.



Obviously you'd support Somailand, you're 3/4 Habesha and wish to disunite the Somali people and gain water access to the Gulf of Aden.
Stop living in fantasyland, the Somali people were never united. Was their a united Somali state in the past? We all have different history. And somallia has never functioned as a unified state.
And Ethiopians will get access to berbere port even if you hate it . This is what regional trade is all about. As long as as we are getting paid, they can do whatever they like with berbere port. This is what I mean when I say that is isnt in our interests to be in the failed somali state. Too many Somalis have an inferiority complex and a hatred regarding Habeshas, and theyd rather not have economic relationships with Ethiopia and not let Ethiopia have access to tjh port even if it benefits Somlia immensely, than make peace and flourish together. Unfortunately theres too many stupid Somalis in the south of somaliland who cant see the writing on the wall.
- Being wary of your neighbours constitutes as 'inferior complexity? What am I reading? Stop putting words in my mouth
- 'Somali people were never united' LOOL, THIS PERSON WAS CLEARLY BORN Post 91. Diaspora community before the war were very united since we were few in numbers, blame your other side of the family, the Daroods for f-king up our nation.
- 'Regional trade', please teach yourself economics.
- 'Too many stupid Somalis', yes I'm stupid :roll:
-'Fantasyland' , mate chill.
Does it look like Ethiopia is planning to conquer Somalia anytime soon? And you do know that the Ethiopian government is not stupid enough to wage war on an alshabab ridden Somalia, unless they want to deal with terrorism and islamic incursions for decades to come. Ethiopia is unstable as it is. The fact that you fear modern day impoverished near busketcase Ethiopia tells me how stupid and illinformed you are of international politics. Right now, Djibouti and Berbere port is more than enough for Ethiopias industrial output for the next few decades, coastal countries have more leverage than Ethiopia which is why somalilanders are getting such a good deal and Ethiopia doesnt want to rattle the cage. And Ethiopia doesnt mind paying for port services as they know they wont suffer from an acute trade deficit with Djibouti and somalia since the economies of Djibouti and somali will be linked with Ethiopia(For example, money from the port will be used to purchase Ethiopian products, electricty from the Ethiopian hydro projects, Ethiopian food , serives, etc). Our economies will complement one another. This is called economic integration and it is proven to reduce tensions between countries.


The average non somliland somali still thinks we are in the 16th century when it comes to regional politics. They still think we are going to have Ahmed Gragn style wars over lands and resources when international courts determines everything for weak states like
Ethiopia and Somalia. If Ethiopia invaded Somalia theyd have to give back all the territories they gained like in the Eritrean-Ethiopian war of 2000.


Somalilanders are too progressive when it comes to regional politics to be with 16th century mentality Somalia.
And somalia doesnt have much resources except livestock. The Somali economy is dependant on the somali diaspora sending money to somalis back home. We have no industry, not much services, nothing except livestock. And with climate change and drought killing more of our livestocks every year, we dont even know if the livestock industry is even sustainable. A port deal with an ever expanding Ethiopia will not only give us capital for our banks and for infrustructure investment, there will be a steady stream of jobs. Ethiopia will educate a portion of our people, let them study in Ethiopian universities. We will build better economic and military ties with Ethiopia. We will become the most influental somali state no doubt. In a few years, our economy will dwarf the economy of whole of Somalia. So why would we want to be with somalia, of there is no socioeconomic benifit to being with the Somali union. I only see negatives.

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Re: Something I have observed about self haters.

Postby GalliumerianSlayer » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:56 pm


Correct. so it probably will have an adverse effect. We all know why some people reject themselves in our community, instead we need to treat roots causes of it (ideology and narratives) and adressing them.
Labeling sucks, leads to a master status. Unless if you're a violent offender, we should avoid labeling students/people/members of society.
Yup.. All we need is compassion.

It is quite understandable why some people in our community reject themselves. Because many of us can understand or relate we should be able to speak on it from a place of reason.
Compassion and dialogue are very important, certain things are way too taboo in our community.

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Re: Something I have observed about self haters.

Postby GalliumerianSlayer » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:00 pm


Labeling sucks, leads to a master status. Unless if you're a violent offender, we should avoid labeling students/people/members of society.
Yup.. All we need is compassion.

It is quite understandable why some people in our community reject themselves. Because many of us can understand or relate we should be able to speak on it from a place of reason.
Compassion and dialogue are very important, certain things are way too taboo in our community.
Stop living in fantasyland, the Somali people were never united. Was their a united Somali state in the past? We all have different history. And somallia has never functioned as a unified state.
And Ethiopians will get access to berbere port even if you hate it . This is what regional trade is all about. As long as as we are getting paid, they can do whatever they like with berbere port. This is what I mean when I say that is isnt in our interests to be in the failed somali state. Too many Somalis have an inferiority complex and a hatred regarding Habeshas, and theyd rather not have economic relationships with Ethiopia and not let Ethiopia have access to tjh port even if it benefits Somlia immensely, than make peace and flourish together. Unfortunately theres too many stupid Somalis in the south of somaliland who cant see the writing on the wall.
- Being wary of your neighbours constitutes as 'inferior complexity? What am I reading? Stop putting words in my mouth
- 'Somali people were never united' LOOL, THIS PERSON WAS CLEARLY BORN Post 91. Diaspora community before the war were very united since we were few in numbers, blame your other side of the family, the Daroods for f-king up our nation.
- 'Regional trade', please teach yourself economics.
- 'Too many stupid Somalis', yes I'm stupid :roll:
-'Fantasyland' , mate chill.
Does it look like Ethiopia is planning to conquer Somalia anytime soon? And you do know that the Ethiopian government is not stupid enough to wage war on an alshabab ridden Somalia, unless they want to deal with terrorism and islamic incursions for decades to come. Ethiopia is unstable as it is. The fact that you fear modern day impoverished near busketcase Ethiopia tells me how stupid and illinformed you are of international politics. Right now, Djibouti and Berbere port is more than enough for Ethiopias industrial output for the next few decades, coastal countries have more leverage than Ethiopia which is why somalilanders are getting such a good deal and Ethiopia doesnt want to rattle the cage. And Ethiopia doesnt mind paying for port services as they know they wont suffer from an acute trade deficit with Djibouti and somalia since the economies of Djibouti and somali will be linked with Ethiopia(For example, money from the port will be used to purchase Ethiopian products, electricty from the Ethiopian hydro projects, Ethiopian food , serives, etc). Our economies will complement one another. This is called economic integration and it is proven to reduce tensions between countries.


The average non somliland somali still thinks we are in the 16th century when it comes to regional politics. They still think we are going to have Ahmed Gragn style wars over lands and resources when international courts determines everything for weak states like
Ethiopia and Somalia. If Ethiopia invaded Somalia theyd have to give back all the territories they gained like in the Eritrean-Ethiopian war of 2000.


Somalilanders are too progressive when it comes to regional politics to be with 16th century mentality Somalia.
And somalia doesnt have much resources except livestock. The Somali economy is dependant on the somali diaspora sending money to somalis back home. We have no industry, not much services, nothing except livestock. And with climate change and drought killing more of our livestocks every year, we dont even know if the livestock industry is even sustainable. A port deal with an ever expanding Ethiopia will not only give us capital for our banks and for infrustructure investment, there will be a steady stream of jobs. Ethiopia will educate a portion of our people, let them study in Ethiopian universities. We will build better economic and military ties with Ethiopia. We will become the most influental somali state no doubt. In a few years, our economy will dwarf the economy of whole of Somalia. So why would we want to be with somalia, of there is no socioeconomic benifit to being with the Somali union. I only see negatives.
Asinine, asinine and more asinine statements. '16th century mentality Somalia', the irony in this post.
Somaliland should stop funding terrorists :ufdup:

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Re: Something I have observed about self haters.

Postby smooth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:22 pm

. We're all the same. Our differences are political.
Here is were your critically wrong, there is no political difference it's all a facade, you have three camps in Somalia of which one of them you can never reconcile with

1) Staunch Nationalist by any means necessary.

2) Lost & Totally misguided (there is hope)

3) treacherous traitors since the dawn of time (you can never reconcile with much like Erodgan and Gullen)


Number 2 are exclusively Isaaq but there is hope maybe after 35 years wondering the deserts with their begging bowls some collective sense may come to them which will turn them into the best, the potential is there for most, a minority of them you can reason with. They need another decade wondering in that desert like their forefathers Bani Israel.

3 is the wondering Tanzanian lady Majerteenia with the Oromo father, those people you can never reason with, the only tribe that enslave themselves and others that live with them, go and stay in Garowe for a few weeks and witness what happens when your not from the clique.

The rest of the Somali's including yourself fit into number one, this is why any tribalistic comments you or anyone else in that category makes I can never take serious, why because your already a staunch nationalist but frustrations due to status quo or a lack of knowledge of politic's back home can sometimes take its toll and that's why you see such comments.

The reality is back home were I have lived for some time, we had as a neighbour 4 Darood sub-clans, Lealkase, Ogaden, MX, and the Tanzanian Lady Majerteenia also 2 DIR sub-clan's, apart from that wailing fitnah loving women, no clashes since the civil war with (MX) or lealkase ( since 60's) or OGs (never).

Everybody lives peacefully together no hatred, its difficult to distinguish us because we all fit into number 1. The cancer that you see in Somalia today comes from those non indigenous Somali's, that use the Darood card for their own political purposes, you see had they been the same as you and I, pure die hard nationalist, I wouldn't have had an issue with them leading

But you seen what they did to the country the last time they lead with 100K perished and many more injured with entire city flattened and foreigners brought into the country (not the first time) whom remain until this very day, impossible to forcefully remove, make no mistake, Beer Dofaar is the best leader they have ever produced, he had more nationalism (if you could call that) in him then all of their leaders put together, could you imagine what the others would do?

You talked about vested interest they have in south in your comments that were quoted, the only interest they have is absolute total ruins which they achieved for over a decade, paying hefty money to keep the civil war ensuing in the south and keeping Kismaayo, Xamar ports closed paying a lot of money to do this as well as IC pressure

They were making millions from Bosaaso due the fire's they stoked and poured gasoline over as people as far as Mandheere were using there port, (a port illegally built), all of that has stopped now and the cash from fitnah has dried up, hence the consistent wailing and crying Darood, they want Koonfur to go back to war so the chaos ensues again and they can make their millions again, plan B is presidency to achieve the same and do another beer dofaar while they are at it!

This is why you see such a stalemate today,because you have the gullible Daroods being used as a weapon to stir up political deadlock by that old senile lady which only benefits them while on the other side you have the wary nationalist but corrupt buffoons on the other side with foreign guns pointing at them and fighting brutal insurgencies funded and carried out by S/land and P/land as I have proved many times on here.


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