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Not truekaan waa cawaan the people were better off with the military...
Ina Adeer, the conflict in Turkey is between two old Islamist allies, the Gullens & Erdogan's AKP Party. Every major Party in Turkey thinks, supports, acts and considers Turkey to be an integral part of the Western security alliance, NATO, therefore, I don't know what you mean by "Western puppets".I like what is happening in Turkey. Purge the western-puppets!
Erdogan was democratically elected by the Turks with a huge mandate on several occasions. He has made Turkey prosper economically during his time in power.Ina Adeer, the conflict in Turkey is between two old Islamist allies, the Gullens & Erdogan's AKP Party. Every major Party in Turkey thinks, supports, acts and considers Turkey to be an integral part of the Western security alliance, NATO, therefore, I don't know what you mean by "Western puppets".I like what is happening in Turkey. Purge the western-puppets!
Most of the technocrats are either from the Gullen movement or the secularists. You can't purge them all for their political beliefs and allegiances. It's like Obama saying, we will only employ Democrat voters as public servants. That is an action from a dictator. I wouldn't be surprised if Erdogan suspends the constitution and declares himself as the aabaha ummadda Turkiga.
Two of his bodyguards were killed after they stormed his vacation place where vacated minutes ago. Also two f16s had locked their radars on his plane and two f16s escorting him. They ddnt shoot him down for unkwown reason.The whole mission was amateurish. There was no command, coordination and control once they made the decision. The jets hit his summer vacation house 30 minutes after he had left. The jets that locked their radar on his plane but it seems that they forgot to close the airspace; his plane was circling Ankar for minutes. So a guess here is that they were not sure if it was his plane.lama summarized it
I just watched a clip in which he says soneting like i will kill those who try to kill me with my bare hands if need be
He barely survived. He should get even with them.
I do agree with most of what you have to say, however let me highlight the fact that western-styled secularism has not brought success to Turkey. It is because Turkey did not undergo colonialism (Mustafa Kemal Attaturk, whom I do not admire played a crucial role in this, I will not shy away from giving credit where it is due) and has had a long history of institutionalism and state building during the era of the Ottomans. Considering this it can be said that Turkey is on par, if not more advanced, than the Western world when it comes to governance!TheGrumplyGeeljire,
You have a point. There is no doubt that the west is hypocritical. To the ”west”, the Gates of Vienna , 1683, is still potent. There is a “Turkish” odium ever since the Ottoman army besieged Vienna. There is no doubt about. There is also a Russian fear (fear of the red).
It seems that these two issues govern the media logic of the day. It is a simple logic; When the editors are planning the talking points of the day, they start with home news, then USA news (by the way rightly so because without the USA, there is no west), then ask themselves the question; any bad things to report on Turkey? Russia? Any suffering to report on Africa? (let us report on how they die and not how they live; most of African leaders/countries prove their thesis of the day by the way, so they do not need to dig deeper)
Following the coup, the western media narrative has been based on the shortcomings of Erdogan instead of the coup. Especially when democracy is the “bible” the focus has been on Erdogan. China is not a democracy but no one dares to report this because Chinese money is the engine that propels western economies. Hypocrisy is the word.
Every reporting has “we condemn the coup..but…” There is no BUT! It is a coup against a democratically elected government.
Erdogan is an elected leader. The west should support him. Under Erdogan Turkey has doubled its GDP, became a member of the exclusive G20 club, human right record has been improved and there are reforms. The Kurds got some rights although this past year, it seems these rights have been eroded.
If the west is sincere about democracy, they should focus on Hungary – a member of the EU- which is governed by a nazist party. Orban is the new Hitler. Also in Poland, there is a fascist government. I don’t think the focus of the western media will be on the shortcomings of democracy if there was a coup in Poland and Hungary.
Turkey with all its democratic defects is a better democracy than most of the Eastern European members. The Eastern European EU members are corrupt, fascists and theologically pathologic.
About the coup: I don’t think the Gulen movement was behind it. It seems that Erdogan needed the coup to uproot the movement. In the long run, this will create a huge problem. There are signs that the coup has become the carte blanch for Erdogan to take revenge on Gulen and the opposition; why should civil servants (not military) become the target? School leaders, civil servants, university deans are being rounded up. This move shows that Erdogan wants revenge on the movement. By doing this, he is validating the western narrative about him being a divisive individual who discards human rights.
One final thought; Secularism is the answer. You cannot build a country on theocracy. Turkey is still a secular state and I hope it will remain that way. Mustafa Kamal Atatürk laid the foundation for a modern state; liberal, secular and distanced from Arabs. It should stay that way. I do also hope that the Kurds are given their rights.
P.s. Almost 2 000 Somali students in Turkey with fellowships from Gulen risk losing their scholarships. This is the tragedy of the coup as regards Somalis. Also in Somalia, the movement provided education and healthcare.
I will certainly watch that documentary! Your perspective on this topic has only made me more curious about the history of the Ottoman EmpireGrumpygeeljire,
The Ottoman empire was not 100% sharia based. It was pragmatic. I have read scholarly material that even suggest it was secular ( watch Raage Omaar's documentary where the notion of the sick man of Europe is discussed). There are some that claim that it's demise came when Sharia became the norm and when Arabism entered its domain. It was also not based on ethnicity. Tolerance, science and rationality flourished under the Ottoman empire when the west was governed by theological nonsense. If you study medicine today, the books on anatomy, internal medicine etc were written during the ottoman empire. What happened to islam after that? It is in this context that the Ottomans should be discussed.
Sharia remains a utopia. Most of the countries that use it are not GOOD benchmarks. No, thanks. I would rather live in a secular state than the middle east and parts of Africa where Sharia is the discourse.
The ottoman empire was betrayed by the Arabs. Kamal Attaturk realised this; this is the foundation of the Turkish success recently. Secular institutions with a flavour of islamic morals/values.
By the way, the success that the country witnessed during the past decades can largely be attributed to the spirit of the Gulen movement; that corruption and other ills are not good; that science is the key to success, that merely reading the quran and reciting it will not build a nation. Pseudoscience out, natural science in. That was the motto.
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