The Anonymous Ajuuraan Dynasty

[Grant]

grant all those names sound bantu.
and isnt shungawayo a mythical state/kingdom in the jubbas that were the northernmost extent of the bantu migrations?

that would make them newcomers to the region.

Gurey,

I wish you would check out The Book of the Zanj. It's difficult to read, but still a great resource.

"As far as the Kasur, there are twelve tribes - I. Mdigu; 2. Msamba; 3. Mlungu; 4. Msifi. And these (four) are those that escaped before from Sungwaya, when they saw that the Galla persecuted them with every species of torments: they escaped for fear of those. Then there are: 5. Mgiryama; 6. Msuni; 7. Mkamba; 8. Mribi; 9. Mgibana; 10. Mtaita; 11. Mkadiyaru; 12. Mdara. And these all entirety live on the rivers of the Giuba rivers and around them and higher up, from the day the Highest God created them."

Those do look like Bantu names, but take the Bantu prefixes off and what do you get? Giriyama was a Kasur settlement. The wa Ribi were a fishing/hunting people in southern Somalia. The Kamba and Taita are both Bantu tribes in Kenya. But their histories do not seem to relate to Shungwayo or this list; even if so, their departure would simply represent a pull-back of the Bantu peoples. These could also be Swahili names for folks who had other names for themselves.

https://www.britannica.com/place/easter ... #ref418926

"The spread of some Bantu to the northern coast of East Africa during the 1st millennium ce is supported by the memory of a settlement area named Shungwaya situated to the north of the Tana River. Shungwaya appears to have had its heyday as a Bantu settlement area between perhaps the 12th and the 15th centuries, after which it was subjected to a full-scale invasion of Cushitic-speaking Oromo peoples from the Horn of Africa. There is controversy as to whether the ancestors of the present Kamba and Kikuyu of Kenya were from Shungwaya, but it would seem that they probably broke away from there some time before the Oromo onslaught. It has been suggested, indeed, that the Kikuyu spread through their present territories from 1400 to 1800. The old Cushitic wedge checked them from spreading farther westward. This extended, as it would seem to have done for two or more millennia past, over both sides of the Kenyan and northern Tanzanian Rift Valley, but in the middle of the present millennium it was subjected to one of the multiple waves of invading Nilotic peoples—who were partly agriculturists and partly pastoralists—that moved into much of the northern and northwestern parts of East Africa."

Shungwaya was north of the Tana but probably south of Baraawe. Sheikh Muhiyidiin deals with the Bantu Pokemo separately, saying they made a deal with the Galla and stopped fleeing at the Tana. We don't know that they started north of the border. Other Bantu groups were apparently further south.

The following are Cushitic speakers who vacated southern Somalia beginning during the Gaal Madow wars. These would probably correspond to the "four". The "five" never moved and would likely have included the Gabaweyn, the Eyle and the af Helledi speakers, the Shebelli, Shidle, etc.. These are all either Maay speakers or have languages related in some way to Maay. I don't believe there has ever been a suggestion that Maay has a connection to Bantu.

http://strategyleader.org/articles/cushite.htm

"BONI (AWEERA, AWEER, WAATA, WATA, SANYE, WASANYE, WABONI, BON, OGODA, WATA-BALA) [BOB] 3,500 in Kenya (1994); 5,000 in all countries (1980). In forest hinterland behind Lamu, Lamu and Tana River districts, Coast Province; Garissa District, North-Eastern Province. Also in Somalia. Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic, East, Rendille-Boni. Many are monolingual. Some are bilingual in Somali, Orma, or Swahili. Close to Garre of Somalia. Distinct from Sanye (Waat) of the Oromo Group or Dahalo (Sanye) of Southern Cushitic. "

[Grant]

Gurey,

This corresponds almost exactly with sheikh Muhiyidiin and puts my pathetic attempts at interpretation to shame:

http://www.kenya-information-guide.com/ ... tribe.html

"In the past, the Mijikenda tribe was also referred to as the Nyika tribe, a near-derogatory term implying bush people.

"Mijikenda" literally means nine homes or nine homesteads (in Swahili), referring to the common ancestry of the Mijikenda people. The nine Mijikenda sub-tribes are believed to be nine different homes of the same tribe. Each sub-tribe speaks its own dialect of the Mijikenda language.

Among the nine Mijikenda sub-tribes, the Giriama and the Digo are the most well known, most populous, and therefore, most dominant along the Kenyan coast. The other seven sub-tribes are the Chonyi, Duruma, Jibana, Kambe, Kauma, Rabai and Ribe. It's very common for other Kenyan tribes to refer to all Mijikenda people simply as Giriama.

Mijikenda oral history traces the origin of the tribe to the southern regions of Somalia. It is believed that the Mijikenda people escaped constant attacks from the Oromo and other Cushitic tribes, and settled in the coastal ridges that were easier to defend."

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The Mijikenda are Bantu. The most likely location for Shungwayo is the area later settled by the Bajuni, between Kismayu and Ras Kamboni, which seems to have been entirely vacated. Given what the Sheikhs said about movement up the rivers at the time of the Gaal Madow wars, interpretation now gets dicey. What we know is that the Bantu speakers ended up south and the Maay speakers ended up west and north. It may be that the Oromo simply drove a wedge between them. If this is the case, Sheikh Muhiyidiin was just not able to distinguish between the aboriginal and the recent immigrant and we are back to archaeological and linguistic evidence, which still make an excellent case for the Eyle and other clearly indigenous peoples.

[Raganimo]

Odaygan cad yaa naga qabta..

[Xildiiid]

Grant,

Both DNA and linguistics are disproving you in every argument.

•E3B and Eurasian admixture in Khoisan (Nama) comes from southern Cushites. The southern Cushites also introduced a new way of life based on domesticated animals mainly cattle but also dogs.

•Proto Cushitic was spoken in the Horn of Africa as early as 6000B.C making it the oldest language family in the region.

You mention DNA but then you post the 'geographical descriptions' of a midieval Arab.


James Dahl,

It's a well established hypothesis. Click consonants are the oldest and most complex consonant system. So the click sounds in Dahalo are remnant of an ancient language, most likely Khoisan because the area they live in was inhabited by Khoisan (Eburan blade industry) in ancient times prior to the migration of southern Cushites (Stone bowl culture) into Eastern Africa

[Grant]

Hildiid,

I misapplied an historical reference. The DNA and linguistic evidence remains.

The E3b1f293 in the Khoisan (not just the Nama) is from the Levant and is much later than that in the southern Cushites. Agriculture in general came south out of the Levant and sheep are a special item coming from that area. Someone had to bring them. The earliest known sheep bones from Somalia come from Gogoshiis Gabe cave on Buur Heybe, from the end of the second millennium BC. The Eyle also had cattle at a slightly earlier period. These are the same sheep and cattle the Khoe had when they arrived in South Africa 2270 years ago, not long after the Eastern Cushites entered the East African plains.

Proto-Cushitic is not Samaale. Afar and Saho are ancient only because they were already nomads at the time of the Kushitic states. Samaale didn't even begin to separate from Oromo until the beginning of the first century AD.

You have yet to post support for any of your claims or a single link.

Interesting that you recognize the blade industry and that the Dahalo are Khoisan. There may be hope.

[Xildiiid]

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Again, you're repeating and posting your own assumptions and beliefs as facts.

The E3b haplogroup originated in the Horn of Africa and it was introduced to the Khoisan population by southern Cushites who are also responsible for the Eurasian admixture in this population, as well as material culture and domesticated animals. The lactate persistent Khoisan do not carry the Arabian mutation but a mutation carried by Cushitic people.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2ARnU ... ef=2&pli=1

Who are these 'Kushitic states' you keep repeating? There was only one Kingdom of Kush and it was not Cushitic, not the difference between the spelling. The Kerma Kingdom on the other hand was a Cushitic kingdom and so was Punt.

Give up the disproved and defunct Omo-Tana hypothesis.

Proto-Cushitic is the ancestral language of all Cushitic languages, making the Somali language a daughter language of Proto Cushitic. In other words the ancestral language of Somali was spoken in the Horn of Africa as early as 6000 B.C.

The Eburan blade industry was absent in the Horn of Africa as so is Dahalo speakers. So what are you trying to say?

[GabileyPrince]

Our branch of E1b1b originates in Egypt/Northern Sudan(E-M78) not the Horn

[Grant]

[quote="Xildiiid"]^


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2ARnU ... ef=2&pli=1



That's an excellent link, Hildiid. Perhaps you should read it sometime.

[Xildiiid]

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That link disproves every argument you made this far.

According to the link, the Khoisan nucleus is in Southern Africa and in ancient times it extended to central Africa and parts of east Africa. The southwards migrating southern Cushites came into contact with the Khoisan in this region approximately 1000-2000 B.C and as a result there's E3b and Eurasian admixture in pastoral Khoisan who also adopted pastoralism and the material culture of the southern Cushites unlike their hunter gatherer relatives. The link negates Bantu and Khoisan existence in the Horn of Africa and the previously believed Semitic connection (A Eurocentric hypothesis from early 20th century)

Now perhaps you can go and eff yourself.

[Djiboutian]

One thing that's struck me about the difference between the Cadal and Ajuuraan empires is how the Ajuuraan Sultans (or Imams not sure which title was used more) are completely anonymous to history. Even in instances where the deeds of the Ajuuraan are written down, the name of the Sultan isn't even mentioned. Is it simply the case that the Ajuuraan royal chronicles have been lost? How can a great kingdom just vanish into the mist like this?

I only know of two of the Ajuuraan rulers, the only two mentioned by name in any of the stories, and they are the first and last, Dayle Gareen (the first) and Cumar Ciise Tukul ,the last.

You say it yourself, ANONYMOUS.

Anonymous yet you call it " A great kingdom " !!

[Strategic]

Mijikenda oral history traces the origin of the tribe to the southern regions of Somalia. It is believed that the Mijikenda people escaped constant attacks from the Oromo and other Cushitic tribes, and settled in the coastal ridges that were easier to defend."
why they dont trace their origins in the Deserts of NDF,you clearly have an agenda to excute?

[Grant]

Hildiid,

Your link:

"Khoe-speakers of south-western Africa and their northern Bantu pastoralist neighbours share features of
their culture with the pastoral peoples of NE Africa. Archaeology has shown that pottery, sheep and cattle
appear in the archaeological record prior to the putative expansion of the Bantu into this region. Numerous
wayward explanations were advanced for this in the earlier literature, both connecting the ‘Hottentots’ with
the spurious cultural category of Hamites and proposing the Khoe were the offspring of miscegenation with
seagoing Semites. However, it cannot be an ‘indigenous’ development; the breeds of cattle and sheep are
only otherwise found in Northeast Africa."

"However, it is important to state that the pastoral communities that brought
livestock to the region would have herded fat-tailed sheep and longhorn taurine cattle and known how to
make pottery. They would not have been iron-users but would have hunted using microlithic points and be
associated with the thin-walled ware of the CLSA, dated to earlier than 2000 BP."


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All of these links are more recent than yours. This is a study from 2014 that uses the lactase-persistance gene (LP) to trace migrations.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 2214003194

"The −14010∗C allele occurs at significantly higher frequency (p < 0.001) in the Khoe speakers (11.3%) than in Tuu speakers (2.4%), Kx’a speakers (4.1%), or Bantu speakers (3.9%). Moreover, all STR haplotypes with the −14010∗C allele in non-Khoe groups also occur in Khoe groups, and all haplotypes in nonpastoral groups are either shared with pastoral groups or occur in Khoe-speaking foragers (Figures 2B and 2C and Table S2). This allele also occurs at significantly higher frequency (p < 0.001) in pastoralists (20.2%) than in foragers (6.7%) or in agriculturalists (1.3%). The highest frequency is in the Nama, a pastoralist Khoe-speaking group, where it attains a frequency of 36% (Table S1). These results suggest that the −14010∗C allele was brought to southern Africa via a migration of pastoralists from eastern Africa who either interacted predominantly with Khoe speakers or perhaps even spoke languages which were ancestors of the Khoe languages [1 and 2]."

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http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/a ... en.1004393

"Because there is archaeological, historical, and linguistic evidence for contact with non-African populations beginning about 3,000 years ago, it has often been assumed that the non-African ancestry in HOA populations dates to this time. In this work, we find that the genetic composition of non-African ancestry in the HOA is distinct from the genetic composition of current populations in North Africa and the Middle East. With these data, we demonstrate that most non-African ancestry in the HOA cannot be the result of admixture within the last few thousand years, and that the majority of admixture probably occurred prior to the advent of agriculture. These results contribute to a growing body of work showing that prehistoric hunter-gatherer populations were much more dynamic than usually assumed."

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/earl ... 1.full.pdf

The Natufians were "E".

"Migrations from the Near East also occurred towards the southwest into East African populations which experienced West Eurasian admixture ~1,000 BCE. . Previously, the West Eurasian population known to be the best proxy for this ancestry was present-day Sardinians , who resemble Neolithic Europeans genetically. However, our analysis shows that East African ancestry is significantly better modelled by Levantine early farmers
than by Anatolian or early European farmers, implying that the spread of this ancestry to East Africa was not from the same group that spread Near Eastern ancestry into Europe." "E"

The West Eurasian admixture in the Cushites is much earlier.

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The only humans on Earth for 200,000 years were the Khoisan. They expanded into all the nooks and croonies, and undoubtedly developed multitudes of phenotypes. What we see today is a bare, bare, relict. If the origin of Man is in Ethiopia, it is absurd to say that all human groups stayed south of the Zambezi. The origin of the Khoe is not known, but, given their connection to sheep, they could have come all the way from the Levant or any point between there and South Africa. The Eyle could either have contributed to the Khoe migration or have been the source of the domestic animals. The timing is right. They had the right cattle. They hunted with lithic points. They made pottery. And they had the earliest source of sheep in the Horn. No Cushites needed.

The Khoe "pastoralist" migration to South Africa was through Tanzania, not from it.

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/31/10693.full

[GalliumerianSlayer]

As Somalis we are very proud of the Ajuuraan. For their achievements and anti imperial wars with the leading nation of Europe at that time, Portugal.

Preserving their history and royal chronicals is a must.

Says the person who hates all Hutu, stop claiming HAG history, stick to your history which first started when the Brits first arrived.