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1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby X.Playa » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:38 am


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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby Ozaki » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:53 am

That is actually not interesting. You can pray anywhere with or without rock.

What is interesting in the video is @ 4:58. Ibn Cumar narrates that dogs used to come and go at the prophet's mosque and even piss in there, and the prophet never bothered with cleaning the piss.

So why are we so disgusted with dog's saliva, if the Nabi and his companions prayed in mosques with dogs in there coming and going and even pissing?

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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby X.Playa » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:08 am

You missed the entire point. In shiyaca mosques sand is brought inside the mosque in the front and they bow to it or hold it to their forehead rocks or sand and for this reason sunnis accuse them of idolatry.

Logic thus ( given the above sources) dictates if Mohammed and his companions prayed on nothing but sands and rocks then the shia are adhering to the suna while the Sunnis don't.

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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby X.Playa » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:13 am

That is actually not interesting. You can pray anywhere with or without rock.

What is interesting in the video is @ 4:58. Ibn Cumar narrates that dogs used to come and go at the prophet's mosque and even piss in there, and the prophet never bothered with cleaning the piss.

So why are we so disgusted with dog's saliva, if the Nabi and his companions prayed in mosques with dogs in there coming and going and even pissing?
Valid point. But the Muslim brains works in mysterious ways it's never linear.

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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby theyuusuf143 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:53 am

It makes sense, Shias are better and proud Muslims than Sunni hypocrites.

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Postby GalliumerianSlayer » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:22 am

Salafism has robbed Sunni Islam.

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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby cheifaqilbari » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:37 am

All muslims in this world should know about this sect shiasm was founded by Abdallah ibn Saba the yemeni jew . what do shia worship https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=fHBYPCFZDzM and finally
Crimes the shia has done in iran against millions of sunni muslims https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=_lbYrDCDeKc watch for ur self the vidoes are by sheikh muntasir from iran .

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Postby TeeriReturns » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:25 pm

That is actually not interesting. You can pray anywhere with or without rock.

What is interesting in the video is @ 4:58. Ibn Cumar narrates that dogs used to come and go at the prophet's mosque and even piss in there, and the prophet never bothered with cleaning the piss.

So why are we so disgusted with dog's saliva, if the Nabi and his companions prayed in mosques with dogs in there coming and going and even pissing?
what are you on about? this is haraam, you are making up lies against a noble ashabi, there is no such hadith, i dont think you are somali and if you are/ or muslim then you need to do tawpa immediately subhanallah, the nabi never allowed dogs in his house let alone in a mosque, in fact he never got them near him,

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Postby TeeriReturns » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:27 pm

wallahi i feel sorry for these kids (idoors) so much ignorance about deen, look what they are writng and that xplaya agreeing with the ozaki dude

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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby Ozaki » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:30 pm

Did you even watch the video?

Go to the timestamp I provided above and read it, its right there.

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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby sahal80 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:48 pm

You missed the entire point. In shiyaca mosques sand is brought inside the mosque in the front and they bow to it or hold it to their forehead rocks or sand and for this reason sunnis accuse them of idolatry.

Logic thus ( given the above sources) dictates if Mohammed and his companions prayed on nothing but sands and rocks then the shia are adhering to the suna while the Sunnis don't.
shisim is a mix of shirk and zoroastrianism

They r lying. the sand and rock they use is for hussein not for the sake of sunna

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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby burcaawi14 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:18 pm

This is shias vs salafis, not traditional sunnis. The problem with the clay/sand they chose to pray on is that it is specifically taken from Karbala where Imam Husayn(radiyallahu an)was murdered. They don't pray on it just because it is sand/clay, but it usually is taken specifically from Karbala and has inscriptions written on it.

As for the topic of praying on rugs and bidca, then according to the real traditional sunni scholars like Imam shaafi, ibn hajar etc..Bidca is divided into 5 categories, only one of which are haraam whilst the rest range from makruh, mubah, mustahab, and halaal.

The real sunnis have a problem with shias when it comes to how they believe in Allah(aqeedah), and also historical facts. Even the shias have their own sub sects, so it depends which one we're talking about.

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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby sahal80 » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:42 am

This is shias vs salafis, not traditional sunnis. The problem with the clay/sand they chose to pray on is that it is specifically taken from Karbala where Imam Husayn(radiyallahu an)was murdered. They don't pray on it just because it is sand/clay, but it usually is taken specifically from Karbala and has inscriptions written on it.

As for the topic of praying on rugs and bidca, then according to the real traditional sunni scholars like Imam shaafi, ibn hajar etc..Bidca is divided into 5 categories, only one of which are haraam whilst the rest range from makruh, mubah, mustahab, and halaal.

The real sunnis have a problem with shias when it comes to how they believe in Allah(aqeedah), and also historical facts. Even the shias have their own sub sects, so it depends which one we're talking about.
what shia is doing is called shirk nothing has to do with sunna

what has selling sand from the grave of husseins got to do with salaat?

now let us talk about sunna

the mosques had no furnature at the time of the prophet, this just means you can pray in everywhere

- أخرج البخاري ومسلم في ( الصحيحين ) من حديث جابر بن عبد الله أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم قال : " جعلت لي الأرض مسجدا وطهورا فأيما رجل من أمتي أدركته الصلاة فليصل " .

you dont see us praying while wearing koofiyad and we put the camaamad on our shoulders i knew this since i was kid

- عن عبد الله القرشي - مرسلا - قال : " رأى رسول الله صلى الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم رجلا يسجد على كور عمامته فأومأ بيده : ارفع عمامتك فأومأ بيده : ارفع عمامتك وأومأ إلى جبهته " . ( كور العمامة : محيطها الدائري ) .

- عن ابن أبي ليلى عن علي عليه السلام قال : " إذا كان أحدكم يصلي فليحسر العمامة عن جبهته " .

we pray nowadays on sajada or on clothes for dahaara bc we live in a small places

looks like the prophet SCW used to praying on sajaada in his house bc at some times he would ask his wives from the window of the mosque to give him one. it was reported by more than a wife also anas bin malik his servant

الخمرة=السجادة

dont take the shia propaganda these people r accusing the prohet and his dautger fatima of doing things you cant imagin how can they be sunna followers

shisim is influenced by the iranian paganism

if you want to follow the sunna best to pray on ciid it makes you more humble. no doubt.

أخرج البخاري في باب الصلاة على الخمرة عن عبد الله بن شداد عن ميمونة أم المؤمنين قالت : " كان النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم يصلي على الخمرة " ( 1 ) .

- أخرج مسلم - في كتاب الحيض - عن عائشة قالت : " قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم : ناوليني الخمرة من المسجد قالت : فقلت : إني حائض فقال : إن حيضتك ليست في يدك " ( 2 ) .

- أخرج الترمذي عن ابن عباس قال : " كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم يصلي على الخمرة " ( 3 ) .

- عن أم سلمة أم المؤمنين قالت : ( كان لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم حصير وخمرة يصلي عليها ) ( 4 ) .

- عن أنس بن مالك قال : " كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم يصلي على الخمرة ويسجد عليها "
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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

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Re: 1-0 for the Shia. Praying over sand/rock vs sijaaya/sajaada..

Postby gegiroor » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:54 am

You missed the entire point. In shiyaca mosques sand is brought inside the mosque in the front and they bow to it or hold it to their forehead rocks or sand and for this reason sunnis accuse them of idolatry.

Logic thus ( given the above sources) dictates if Mohammed and his companions prayed on nothing but sands and rocks then the shia are adhering to the suna while the Sunnis don't.
shisim is a mix of shirk and zoroastrianism

They r lying. the sand and rock they use is for hussein not for the sake of sunna

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