Whats does "Liberal Muslim" implies?

[TZ Somali]

lol sxb i had to much vodka today...your rite i meant the reply for a diferent post..got confused..ma apology

[The rebel]

No worries Bro/sis.

I have my weird days too .

[TZ Somali]

the rebel just got confused sxb...so yeah

[San_dheer]

I can’t believe am agreeing with dhusa_dheer on this one, except that “trusting science” part. Man, you’re clueless about science you make me laugh. If people trusted everything that spewed from a scientist’s mouth there would never be any progress and development. You need verification and falsification, you can’t just trust blindly.

Anyway, a liberal Muslim is someone who is tolerant and doesn’t support savage offensive attacks on innocent non-Muslims. Someone who understands the world is not back and white and is not caught up in passing judgements on others, living that to Allah. Someone who adheres to Islamic teaching and way of life but does not have the need to impose it others. Someone who doesn’t take sides in political matters that does not concern him/her or benefit Islam. Basically, the opposite of LionHeart.

[TZ Somali]

too many definitions...its a matter of perception....

[The Arabman]

"too many definitions...its a matter of perception...."

The bottom line is, we are in an era in which being a liberal Muslim is synonymous to being a weak Muslim. Facts support that notion.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="San_dheer"]I can’t believe am agreeing with dhusa_dheer on this one, except that “trusting science” part. Man, you’re clueless about science you make me laugh. If people trusted everything that spewed from a scientist’s mouth there would never be any progress and development. You need verification and falsification, you can’t just trust blindly. [quote]

It is not illegal or sin to agree with me ya know...at least not yet. so don't be so shocked if you find yourself in agreement with me. I'm only right 95% of the times.

"If people trusted everything that spewed from a scientist’s mouth there would never be any progress and development."

science IS progressive. nothing in science is written in stone, THEREFORE by definition science IS progressive. Got it sweat buns?

You say: "you can’t just trust blindly"

I agree but you forgetting that science is SELF-CORRECTING. IT corrects its mistakes. Scientists work everyday testing, verifying, falsifying old theories...this is how they discover weaknesses/shortcomings or misconceptions of old theories and replace them with newer ones.

Now, are you certain you know more about science and how it works then me? I venture you don't. Need I say why?

BTW, I have a PhD from accredited Uni

anyways ... I see you're new, Welcome to the JUNGLE.

[muslim-man]

TZ, wana know who the liberal muslims are?



here is the answer,

Liberal muslims=law26, globetrotter, qudhac and anyone else who leaves a mess (xaar) in the carpet every time they come to somalinet.


tank you very armaajo

[TZ Somali]

law26 sahib do u plea guilty or not?

[Demure]

[quote="dhuusa_deer

Demure: I wonder if you are under any illusions as to what 'extremist Islamists' represent? Do you agree with the Taliban and Wahabists? Most if not all call them extremist islamists.

Just becuz you dislike the US government and Bush doesn't mean everything they say is untrue. Would you disagree with Kim, leader of N. Korea, if he tomorrow got on TV and said democracy and rule of law are good? Even though you may suspect him of dishonesty and ultrior motives given his track record of communism and dictorialsm. He is right.

Separate your emotions from your decisions. That seems one of the muslim world's achille's heel.[/quote]


As a rule, I reject anything a Westener tells me about my religion. Regardless of how Muslims behave or should behave, Islamists extremists and Libertal muslims are nothing but labels they impose on us to further their greedy agendas, because at the end of the day, it's really not about the religion but about money, power and racism. And If I may add there weren't any extremists or (rebels for the non-muslims) around before their greed became a not so ignorable problem for the rest of the world.

[Cawar]

[quote="dhuusa_deer"]TZ,

Liberal Muslim is some1 who uses his conscience, has empathy, prefers peace and amity over enmity and violence, who doesn't support suicide bombings, believes rule of law and democracy, trusts science, reasoning and facts as sufficient to reach decisions...basically almost like your typical run-of-the-mill secular Westerner[/quote]

Doqon

You jsut described what a muslim peson is and how he/she is supposed to behave, except that when you say the typical secular whatever..

This is what islam teaches and Allah orders his slaves to follow.

PS Suicide is not allowed in Islam...is that a news to you??? i am sure you know that...but what your naive and stupid mind cant differentiate is what some muslims use as a reaction(political) to respond...well you know the drill skinny boy.

[TZ Somali]

lol

[The Law26]

It would utterly depend on what you mean the definition of liberal. Do you mean it to be a moderate Muslim?

If you mean the acceptance and adoption of Alcohol consuming, illegal sex or watching pornography and drug consuming and acceptance of homosexuals and etc., then that is not what Islam teaches. That makes me more conservavtive of a Muslim than this so called "Muslim Man" here.

From my understanding, All Muslims should be progressive.

In Islam, Muslims aren’t instructed be retrogressive.

Having said that, when used within the context of contemporary global circumstances and politics, these phrases have different connotations. Lets not forget that Bush as a Christian fundamentalist Evangelist once referred to the war on Iraq as "a crusade" and also said, in regards to his policy of enforcing the western ideology on the world with bombs and bullets: "Its is a God given right for people to have freedom". There are extremists in all faiths and religions. We Muslims have our fair share of those extremists. After all they all are misguided humans.

I think by using "extreme" would make it easier in understanding by contrasting it with "moderate" and would be a more appropriate way to arrive at an answer to your querry. The Qur'aan teaches that going to any extreme is ungodly and inconsistent with the Divine Will of Allah SWT. And this translates to Muslims are to use a balanced (mizan) approach in all facets of their lives; hence, moderation within the context of an Islamic definition. For example, others may see the prohibition of certain foods for Muslims as, "going to an extreme" by non-Muslims, whereas, within the Islamic context, it is viewed as moderation.

Am I required to be hostile towards EVERY non-Muslim as a circumstance of his or her difference of belief? Nothing in the Qura'an supports this. Am I required to be hostile against those non-Muslims who may oppose or may think to find fault with my belief like dhuuso dheere here? Again, nothing in the Qur'aan supports this, though there is a change in my responsibility as to how I interact with such individuals.

There are some here who will support and shield the policies of extremist individuals or groups such as Al Zarqawi and Al qaeda philosophy (who are recently hell bent on killing other Muslims and bomb them in mosques whether in Iraq or Pakistan), and they should come up with the reasons why we Muslims should tolerate such cowardice actions in the name of Islam?

[biko]

i think the word liberal has no place in a sentence with islam!

concidering what the word liberal means in this day and age, any muslim with sound mind shoud never intertain such thought. all this talks about liberal islam is nothing more than a covert war on islam; to disect and dismantale the most fandamental basic of islam.

[biko]

i think the word liberal has no place in a sentence with islam!

concidering what the word liberal means in this day and age, any muslim with sound mind shoud never intertain such thought. all this talks about liberal islam is nothing more than a covert war on islam; to disect and dismantale the most fandamental basic of islam.