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Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:29 pm
by learnmore1
I wanted to see how similar some of the vocabulary in Somali is with my languages amharic/tigrigna. I will list some words in the first topic, animals.
english/tigrigna/amharic
dog-kelbi/wisha
cat-dimu/dimet
bird-'uf/wef
cow-lam/lam
chicken-derho/doro
goat-t'el/fiyel
horse-feres/feres
elephant-Harmaz/zihon
pig-Hasama/asama
camel-gemel/gimel
snake-temen/ibab
fish-'asa/asa
tiger-nebri/nebir
deer-'agazen/agazen
bear-dibi/dib
bee-nihbi-nib
giraffe-zaref/qech'ne
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:33 pm
by hoa
I wanted to see how similar some of the vocabulary in Somali is with my languages amharic/tigrigna. I will list some words in the first topic, animals.
english/tigrigna/amharic
dog-kelbi/wisha
cat-dimu/dimet
bird-'uf/wef
cow-lam/lam
chicken-derho/doro
goat-t'el/fiyel
horse-feres/feres
elephant-Harmaz/zihon
pig-Hasama/asama
camel-gemel/gimel
snake-temen/ibab
fish-'asa/asa
tiger-nebri/nebir
deer-'agazen/agazen
bear-dibi/dib
bee-nihbi-nib
giraffe-zaref/qech'ne
Chicken is the only similarity, that was a word borrowed from Cushitic languages. Rest are not similar
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:37 pm
by X.Playa
Not a single word is shared. Very strange.
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:45 pm
by hoa
Not a single word is shared. Very strange.
Dooro? We say this surely, I know digaag can be said to but also this

.
Also faras is shared, but this isn't a Cushitic word
But it is strange, not as similar as i thought it may be
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:48 pm
by learnmore1
Chicken is the only similarity, that was a word borrowed from Cushitic languages. Rest are not similar
Correct it is borrowed of Cushitic.
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:51 pm
by barsugking22
ge'ez language of abezinians similar to arabic not somali kemet language.but the people in the horn are close ethnic society.
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:00 pm
by X.Playa
Not a single word is shared. Very strange.
Dooro? We say this surely, I know digaag can be said to but also this

.
Also faras is shared, but this isn't a Cushitic word
But it is strange, not as similar as i thought it may be
Faras is Semitic of Arab origin. Somalis have at least few words for horses. Senge, geenyo, darmaan and maybe over 40 words for camels.
Dooro is borrowed from Amahra by southern Somalis northern Somalis use the Arabic loanword for chicken which is digaag.
The word for cat in amharic or tigre is very similar to somali word for wild cat not domestic one.
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:06 pm
by AwRastaale
Nothing is shared.
Feres/faras are loan word from Persia.
Horses are not native to Africa.
No idea where dooro came from coz not all Somalis use that term. It is mainly in the south. It's clear the south borrowed from Ethiopia like the word injera, which they tried to Somalinize it (canjeero).
The languages who share more in common are Af Somali, Afaan Oromo, Agew, Bilen, Qafar-af, Afaan Sidamo...and Af-Saho.
Let me share counting (writing in Somali alphabet with the Cushitic pronunciation)
SOMALI
KOW, laba/Lama, Sadex, Afar, Shan, Lix, totoba, Sideed, Sagal, Toban,
OROMO
Taka, Lama, Sadi, Afur, shan, Jaya/Jah, Turba, Sided, Sagal, Ku dhan (btw ku dhan means complete in Somali)
SAHO
Iniik, Lamaa, Odox/odex (still same pronunciation except begins with O), Afar, Koon (sounds close to kuun meaning 1000 in Somali), Lix, Maalxin (the word maal is very big on Somali language after all it defines them SoMAALi, maal has many meanings such as to milk, wealth), Baxaar (8), Sagal, Toman.
As you can see the relations and these people have not came into direct contact in the modern times.
That's why I am a great believer in the ancient Cushitic family.
I celebrate them all.
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:17 pm
by learnmore1
Not a single word is shared. Very strange.
Dooro? We say this surely, I know digaag can be said to but also this

.
Also faras is shared, but this isn't a Cushitic word
But it is strange, not as similar as i thought it may be
Faras is Semitic of Arab origin. Somalis have at least few words for horses. Senge, geenyo, darmaan and maybe over 40 words for camels.
Dooro is borrowed from Amahra by southern Somalis northern Somalis use the Arabic loanword for chicken which is digaag.
The word for cat in amharic or tigre is very similar to somali word for wild cat not domestic one.
Oh I see.
I thought Derho/doro was Cushitic because of this:
Maybe it is Cushitic but from one of those other Cushitic languages?^^^
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:19 pm
by learnmore1
Nothing is shared.
Feres/faras are loan word from Persia.
Horses are not native to Africa.
No idea where dooro came from coz not all Somalis use that term. It is mainly in the south. It's clear the south borrowed from Ethiopia like the word injera, which they tried to Somalinize it (canjeero).
The languages who share more in common are Af Somali, Afaan Oromo, Agew, Bilen, Qafar-af, Afaan Sidamo...and Af-Saho.
Horses are not native to Africa.- I didn't know this at all
And I've attached a picture above that might explain Dooro, I think it's from a different Cushitic language
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:32 pm
by learnmore1
Let me share counting (writing in Somali alphabet with the Cushitic pronunciation)
SOMALI
KOW, laba/Lama, Sadex, Afar, Shan, Lix, totoba, Sideed, Sagal, Toban,
OROMO
Taka, Lama, Sadi, Afur, shan, Jaya/Jah, Turba, Sided, Sagal, Ku dhan (btw ku dhan means complete in Somali)
SAHO
Iniik, Lamaa, Odox/odex (still same pronunciation except begins with O), Afar, Koon (sounds close to kuun meaning 1000 in Somali), Lix, Maalxin (the word maal is very big on Somali language after all it defines them SoMAALi, maal has many meanings such as to milk, wealth), Baxaar (8), Sagal, Toman.
As you can see the relations and these people have not came into direct contact in the modern times.
That's why I am a great believer in the ancient Cushitic family.
I celebrate them all.
Interesting, with numbers it's extremely different

Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:39 pm
by AwRastaale
LearnMore
Good.
I have updated my post.
I tried collecting some of the Agew words but it is quite hard to find a fluent speaker especially in the Diaspora.
However I am aware their languages whether Qemant, Himra or Bilen is very close to Somali.
I can find Bilen speakers as I have many friends from them but I think Himra from Seqota is the most authentic Agewna.
The problem we have is they long got polluted by Tigringya, Tigre, Amharingya and Arabic as is the case in Bilen.
Somali itself is not the same Somali 100, 200 or 500 years ago.
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:45 pm
by TheLoFather
WARANYAA (amharic) is properly is one of two word s that are 'shared' between amharic and afsoomaali. In Afsoomaali is WARIYEE /WARBADANE/WARAMEE. I think xabasha stole this word from afsoomali.
The other being JAAMAA in amharic and in Afsoomaali it is Jaamo meaning shoes.
There is also SUUQ which both share but belongs to neither it is a loaned word from Arabic
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:48 pm
by learnmore1
LearnMore
Good.
I have updated my post.
I tried collecting some of the Agew words but it is quite hard to find a fluent speaker especially in the Diaspora.
However I am aware their languages whether Qemant, Himra or Bilen is very close to Somali.
I can find Bilen speakers as I have many friends from them but I think Himra from Seqota is the most authentic Agewna.
The problem we have is they long got polluted by Tigringya, Tigre, Amharingya and Arabic as is the case in Bilen.
Somali itself is not the same Somali 100, 200 or 500 years ago.
True, I think pretty much most of Amharic Cushitic words come from the Agew languages, same with Tigrigna but maybe with Beja influence too on that.
And I agree they do get polluted,
a lot in-fact, especially with Agew. Same thing applies with Tigrigna too in the very south. Amharic not so much.
Re: Similarities between my languages and Somali
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:58 pm
by learnmore1
WARANYAA (amharic) is properly is one of two word s that are 'shared' between amharic and afsoomaali. In Afsoomaali is WARIYEE /WARBADANE/WARAMEE. I think xabasha stole this word from afsoomali.
The other being JAAMAA in amharic and in Afsoomaali it is Jaamo meaning shoes.
There is also SUUQ which both share but belongs to neither it is a loaned word from Arabic
What does this 'waranyaa' word mean? I have never come across it, maybe it's the spelling. The meaning in English would be helpful

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In Amharic shoe is ch'ama, it's most likely an Agew borrowed word because of the ch' sound.
And yes, suq is from Arabic->Aramaic->Akkadian.