Democracy bad for Africa?

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

The trend where election fraud and sitting presidents/prime ministers refuse to leave office always happens not matter what country you go to in SSA. At first, it looks like democracy gone wrong and everybody (including myself) seems to always come with the "Africans are backward" spiel. But maybe it's exactly what the powerful western manipulators want. Even peaceful countries like Kenya have fallen victim to this unrest and manufactured upheaval/violence during election time which happens every few years. While, the country is at the brink of civil-war and wasting millions on ballots and voting polls, multinational corporations are busy infiltrating and operating in the shadows to get those lucrative natural resources and cheap labour.

Africans don't need democracy for economic growth, just ask the East Asian tigers (most of whom had dictators and authoritarians running the country during their economic "miracles"). We don't need politicians, we need leaders.

I don't know, maybe I'm just becoming a conspiracy theorist.

[PanSomaliNationalist]

Fuck democracy how are you gonna rule a country full of people that want to be the leader? Somalis should get a person like siad barre that'll bomb the shit out of anyone that opposes him. We used to be ready for democracy back in the 1960s but those days are over and we need a somali trump

[theyuusuf143]

Democracy ama habarmocracy magacad doonto u bixiyoo waa muhiim in dadku talo ku yeeshaaan talada dalkooda, Wadan kasta oo aan lahayn nidaam dadku awooda iska leeyihiin waa wadan halis ugu jira burbur. Xukunku marku shakhsi ama shakhsiyaad kusoo ururo ma waaro inta badana hoog baa laga dhaxlaa iyo dhiig daata marka layska dayo in shakhsigaas talada laga wareejiyo. Wuxu isu qaataa inaan wadanku lahayn rag isaga ka fiican, wax kastoo uu soo qaybtayna wuxu ka dhigtaa abaaal uu galay oo aanay jirin Cid aan isaga ahayn oo samayn karsysay wuxu sameeyey.

[AwRastaale]

Democracy and Africa don't go together especially Horn Africans.

It is such lagging, unproductive and resources wasting system.

SL especially adopted a weird tribal habarocracy because it thought that could earn her some recognition from the old master but nah everyone can see it's fake.

[Khalid Ali]

democracy over dictatorship any day no man has the right to rule a natioj more than the constitution allows hin period dadkaniyo dalka ma issga iska leh let the people decide their leaders africans want growth want economic prosperity and want to choose their leaders. but they just have problem with sitting dictators who dont want to leave if they lose elections africans have No problem with democracy it has a problem with dictators who have hard time to accept they lost


democracy over one man rule any day its not like those fat sitting dictators in many africans states have done great scientifically and economically.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Khalid Ali, you must be on drugs. I would rather live under the most brutal and repressive regime as long as I have a good income and the country has economic and political prestige. I don't give two f#*@s about putting a bit of paper into a box and choosing which tribalis, opportunist tuug gets to rob the country next.

People like you are a cancer to Somaliland. You only care about looking good to whites in exchange for little Aid money.

[Prlnce]

This is one of the dumbest posts I have read. If dictators and authoritarian regimes was the pathway to economic prosperity Africa would be leaders in global economy. Africans had more dictators and authoritarian regimes then any other continent how did that work out?

[SahanGalbeed]

How did Europe and the US {which essentially is an extension of the european project} get there ?
Everybody looks at the peace and prosperity Europe enjoys today but how did it get to that point ?
The history books are your best friend .
To make a long story short , it is after a lot of painful times that stability and prosperity arise economically as well as politically .
Political stability in other words a liberal democratic system is the base of a long lasting peace which then brings an economic development .In the absence of a democratic political system power is kept through fear and coercion . No true freeman can submit to such a proposal in return for financial advantages . Somalis , real somalis are not like that !!
What Somalia is going through today is what many other now peaceful and prosperous countries have known , we are no different . Actually is a NATURAL PROCESS for a healthy peaceful society bounded by principle and law instead of kinship or tribe . It takes time /generations , education and the memory of pain for human beings to change in a profound way . unfortunately .

[Macarons]

Khalid Ali, you must be on drugs. I would rather live under the most brutal and repressive regime as long as I have a good income and the country has economic and political prestige. I don't give two f#*@s about putting a bit of paper into a box and choosing which tribalis, opportunist tuug gets to rob the country next.

People like you are a cancer to Somaliland. You only care about looking good to whites in exchange for little Aid money.

Just curious, would you mind living in a North Korea with limited access to the outside world/information, restricted freedoms and praising a narcisstic sociopath leader?

I'd say, the above can apply to even Dubai but on a smaller, bearable degree and with similarly poor access to justice.

[Sagarow]

The past decades has proven that Democracy is not for Africa

[gurey25]

How did Europe and the US {which essentially is an extension of the european project} get there ?
Everybody looks at the peace and prosperity Europe enjoys today but how did it get to that point ?
The history books are your best friend .
To make a long story short , it is after a lot of painful times that stability and prosperity arise economically as well as politically .
Political stability in other words a liberal democratic system is the base of a long lasting peace which then brings an economic development .In the absence of a democratic political system power is kept through fear and coercion . No true freeman can submit to such a proposal in return for financial advantages . Somalis , real somalis are not like that !!
What Somalia is going through today is what many other now peaceful and prosperous countries have known , we are no different . Actually is a NATURAL PROCESS for a healthy peaceful society bounded by principle and law instead of kinship or tribe . It takes time /generations , education and the memory of pain for human beings to change in a profound way . unfortunately .

There is Democracy and there is a Republic.
They are not the same, entirely different things.

A republic is a government that rules in the peoples interests, it can use democracy as part of the system , but it is focused on stability and checks and blances to achieve that responsible and stable government.

The crafters of the US constitution were deathly afraid of democracy, they thought of it as mob rule, which is tyranny.
They believed that when the mob is in power they can be influenced by special interests.

When the west pushes for democracy they want you to open up so that they can influence and control your politics to serve their interests.
If you serve their interests well and are a dictatorship, or monarchy, they will defend you against your own people.

They would prefer it if you were a non-democratic but beholden to them, ideally they want you to build a democratic facade so that
you do not embarass them.

Japan, South Korea, Taiwan were fake democracies until recently, but have been culturally subsumed so much that they are not likely to ever go against their masters.
Indonesia is a democracy and is not fully under control and this represents a threat.
Malaysia and Singapore are fake democracies, the 2 parties have been in power since independence and will be for the foreseable future.

Even the ethiopians are smart with their crude attempt at a facade, with fake multiparty elections.



Democracy is colonial control in todays world.

[SahanGalbeed]

That's your vision of the world , which you are entitled to .
A republic is a system of governance , in opposition to a monarchy for example , where the power is held by the people and their elected representatives . In a republic the head of state can be autocratic , like Russia for example
A democracy in the modern sense is a a space where the free flow of ideas is permitted , an opposition respected and allowed, where people are encouraged to remain engaged in the political process .These precepts are UNIVERSAL , belonging to ALL MANKIND , not just a few .They don't belong to the US , or the "colonials"

About the founding fathers of the US democracy , I think they were debating whether to take the direct universal suffrage or the electoral college as a system of election , I don't think they were afraid of democracy .

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Khalid Ali, you must be on drugs. I would rather live under the most brutal and repressive regime as long as I have a good income and the country has economic and political prestige. I don't give two f#*@s about putting a bit of paper into a box and choosing which tribalis, opportunist tuug gets to rob the country next.

People like you are a cancer to Somaliland. You only care about looking good to whites in exchange for little Aid money.

Just curious, would you mind living in a North Korea with limited access to the outside world/information, restricted freedoms and praising a narcisstic sociopath leader?

I'd say, the above can apply to even Dubai but on a smaller, bearable degree and with similarly poor access to justice.

Nice strawman. North Korea is a hyper-paranoid shithole run by a family cult. UAE is a good example, but China is a better one.

[Adali]

managing society in a orderly fashion and giving people opportunity to succeed in life without insane restriction on them is much more valuable that this democratic experiment to me.

siad barre was a good example, someone who wants power point blank, his need for power was an ernest one, he would not even allow foreigner super powers to stand in his way, eventually we will reach a point where we realise being president isn't all what it is made out to be, as long as i can get decent education, good economy and security from internal/external threats that seek to destabilise the aforementioned i am happy. I am a republican at heart, i dont want big government like siad barre regime but their taxation and lack of freedom of speech is better than hassan sheekh brothel shitholeee of a country.

[SahanGalbeed]

Hassan Sheikh is actually a decent man as far as what I can make . The brothel shithole of country is the where the people stand . When people only trust their tribe and where you have multiple tribes , it doesn't take a genius to know that it is not going to work . Now the real question is how do you propulse people from essentially the middle ages to a 21st century liberal democracy .
If they are intelligent , like I believe the somalis to be , you can
1/"supervise" them and hope that they learn quickly .
or
2/ Leave them to their own device in which case you { the international community} will have to periodically come back to mediate or assist /support .
ONLY by each and everyone of us making himself or herself better can the somali people get better , in other words the solution to the problem is WITHIN US .
For starters why nobody outside Hassan Sheikh tribesmen cut him some slack ? How is the guy supposed to be the leader of all somalis if nobody gives him a break ? How can anyone take the country forward if he only relies on a certain section of the population ? And what if the next guy has the same problem ? Where is the problem then , with the leader or with the people ?