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Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby learnmore1 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:24 pm

You seem like you're trying to latch onto every part of history you can get, take the Cushitic route, and then associate it with Somali's as you are 'brethren' with all Cushites, cba at all anymore.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby hoa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:26 pm

Okay enough i see where this is going :whew:

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby Develop » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:34 pm

What exactly is this Oromo Migration about?

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby hoa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:38 pm

What exactly is this Oromo Migration about?
It's just like our migration basically as nomadic people.

I think the girl in the picture I posted is irritated because there are some parts of Ethiopia that are heavily oromo/amxaraa mixed and these places have issues with the 'who came first' argument thing. But the girl believes oromos have inhabited the places they are in now their whole time. I know that isn't correct for Harar as it has always been a somali/harari town, even dire dhabe and those parts have always been ours.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby Develop » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:06 pm

What exactly is this Oromo Migration about?
It's just like our migration basically as nomadic people.

I think the girl in the picture I posted is irritated because there are some parts of Ethiopia that are heavily oromo/amxaraa mixed and these places have issues with the 'who came first' argument thing. But the girl believes oromos have inhabited the places they are in now their whole time. I know that isn't correct for Harar as it has always been a somali/harari town, even dire dhabe and those parts have always been ours.
A quick Google check tells me a 16th century Tigray monk writes about this Oromo Migration in the History of the Galla. Were these Oromo raids like our Somali raids or different?

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby hoa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:21 pm

What exactly is this Oromo Migration about?
It's just like our migration basically as nomadic people.

I think the girl in the picture I posted is irritated because there are some parts of Ethiopia that are heavily oromo/amxaraa mixed and these places have issues with the 'who came first' argument thing. But the girl believes oromos have inhabited the places they are in now their whole time. I know that isn't correct for Harar as it has always been a somali/harari town, even dire dhabe and those parts have always been ours.
A quick Google check tells me a 16th century Tigray monk writes about this Oromo Migration in the History of the Galla. Were these Oromo raids like our Somali raids or different?
I always assumed it was similar, but I am probably wrong. I didn't use this monk as a source when trying to read up on it. I've read this https://www.jstor.org/stable/179457?seq ... b_contents 'The Origins of the Galla and Somali', I thought it was an interesting read. @AwRastaale will probably be able to give you a much better comparison than I can between us and the Oromos.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby Waachis » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:27 pm

HOA,

It's clear you don't even understand what you are posting. The poster never mentioned anything about the lands Oromo inhabit today except that the theory by Abba Bahrey is mythical legend like that one of Harry Porters.

Do you not agree?

In addiition to that he only says Oromo are part of the Cushitic family and have walked the land long before the Habesha.

Do you not agree?

So what is your argument really in respect to what Mr Saleh has posted on Twitter?

Also looks like you don't understand the Oromo and that region well.

Raaya is not a region but an Oromo sub-tribe who live in Wollo along with their Yejju brothers. So there is nothing called "Wello and Raya".

Raaya are in Wollo.

And no it's not conquered land in respect to what Saleh is saying which is about the subject of who arrived first. Oromo and the Cushitics have always lived as far north as Tigray (Axum). Axum was an empire by the Agews and even later established the Zagwe dynasty, which by the way practiced many aspects of the Gadaa system. Agews were no strangers to Oromo neither were Habesha's earliest fathers including this Priest. Just looking at his name says it all "Abba Bahrey". Abbaa is Oromo word for father and they use it as a title eg Abba Nefso, Abba Jaffar, etc. In Oromo culture there is the Abbaa and the ilma (son). These are Gadaa principles of titles, social hierarchy, and so forth. For him to be Abba Bahrey tells us he had direct contacts with Oromo and may have even grew up amongst them to earn such title.

In Gadaa system you have several groups led by certain titles and each title is given to particular family. That family has a hierarchy which also maintains their lineage. In such the father(s) is/are always at the top while the first eldest son awaits his turn. This is where "Abbaa" and "ilma" come handy for example Abbaa Ja'an Galaan (the father of the six branches of Galaan), Abbaa Shanan Jiddaa (Father of the five branches of Jidaa), etc. Then you have Abbaa Gadaa, Abbaa Bokku, and each clan has their own father...each division of Gadaa has its own father or particular family.

So to conquer a land means another race must be uprooted. Who did the Oromo uproot? The Habesha want to play victim yet till us that they arrived from Israel with a Cross and Geez language yet want to play natives. That doesn't make sense.

If anything Oromo conquered the Agews and that's like one brother taking the bigger bedroom from the other------these things always went back and forth. There were times the Agews had the upper hands and chased Oromo sending them south and later Oromo re-conquered the lands their ancestors once walked.

In the later Oromo expansion, that's no different than Somali, Afar, Beja or Agew one.

Everyone expanded at one point in history but what the topic from Twitter discusses is the first arriver to the Horn and Oromo has lived the land before Habesha.

So no it's not a conquest if anything a restoration of their ancestral lands (Cushitic land).

You contradict yourself by laughing at purported 'Oromo migration'. Migration from where? Madagascar?

The within Horn migration is one all sons of Cushitic have under taken.


very well said. we don't always agree, but i have always respected your intellectual prowess.
most somalis think all ethiopians are ''habesh'', and they know nothing about the internal politics of ethiopia

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby Waachis » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:48 pm

and when the oromo raided, we raided to conquer the land OR as a ritualistic military operation as obliged by our gadaa system
the butta wars took place every 8 years, when a new gadaa cycle came in.
and it's basically oromo warriors raiding new lands, usually of the enemies, or attacking big game like lions, elephants, and so on.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby AwRastaale » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:43 am

We should study the Gadaa, Odaa, Abba Muda and Qaallu.

I believe the Karaayyu are the ones who have rights to the Qaallu (spiritual man/priest/Sheikh).

According to tradition Qaallu was an outside being from Waaqa who was discovered by the Karaayyu. They raised him and later he married from the very Karaayyu who had found him. In Oromo customary law it is forbidden and regarded illegitimate for one to marry from his/her own moiety. They must seek outside marriage from the immediate sub-clan for example Karaayyu's Sabbo must get into a relationship with the Gona moiety which is in another words Bareentu where Saabbo is Borana.

The bases of Oromo moiety is; Borana (Sabbo in marriage and social conduct) and Bareentu (Gona).

But Qaallu marriage into Karaayyu was authorised because Qaallu was a stranger adopted by the Sabbo.

In such I believe the Gona take the Abbaa Gadaa while Qaallu belongs to the Sabbo.

Their balance of power and sharing social responsibility is also the bases of marriage, justice and wealth distribution. Very egalitarian system. Sabbo and Gona likewise represent an almost equal number to ensure no one resents no body unlike the Somalis who glorify the two unequal practices of Laandheere (majority) and Laangab (minority).

Marriage and sexual contact must be outside the moiety thus encouraging greater inclusion and stronger bounds.

The same principles are applied in the cause of a conflict and each moiety must choose their delegates on equal number.

This is way Oromo inter-conflicts are minimal despite competition and rivalry being fierce.

How about Ayaantu (astronomers/lucky one)? Who is he drawn from? Borana moiety?

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If I answer your question well Oromo raids and Somali ones differed in the sense that Oromo settled for good while Somalis got home sick and too often retreated.

There is so much to learn and discover about the egalitarian Oromo nation.

The Ras is pro-Oromo.
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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby Sahibzada » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:10 am

Oromo are great folks! They are 1000x better then the starving Somali geeljires.

I ask the Oromo nations to accept Jibril Abokor as one of their own cause obviously we don't belong with our starving malnourished neighbours.

Allah bless JB and the rest of the Qoti nation :lol:

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby Jabuutawi » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:50 am

^ This nigga is funny.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby GalliumerianSlayer » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:47 pm

Which oromo clans neighbour the Somali people?

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby AwRastaale » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:21 pm

Which oromo clans neighbour the Somali people?

Neighboring Somalis in north are the Afran Qallu and Karraayyu (Awash valley especially neighboring Issa).

In the southwest some Somalis share common border with the Borana.

To the west Somalis especially Ogaden neighbors the Bale Oromo who are part of Arsi Oromo.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby Waachis » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:44 am

And in the NFD, Somali border the borana and orma.


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