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Fock off useless troll.^^^You must have Xabeshi blood flowing through your veins.
PS do you eat your chicken medium rare?
I understand that, and I already said the madagascar thing is Bullshit.HOA,
It's clear you don't even understand what you are posting. The poster never mentioned anything about the lands Oromo inhabit today except that the theory by Abba Bahrey is mythical legend like that one of Harry Porters.
Do you not agree?
In addiition to that he only says Oromo are part of the Cushitic family and have walked the land long before the Habesha.
Do you not agree?
So what is your argument really in respect to what Mr Saleh has posted on Twitter?
Also looks like you don't understand the Oromo and that region well.
Raaya is not a region but an Oromo sub-tribe who live in Wollo along with their Yejju brothers. So there is nothing called "Wello and Raya".
Raaya are in Wollo.
And no it's not conquered land in respect to what Saleh is saying which is about the subject of who arrived first. Oromo and the Cushitics have always lived as far north as Tigray (Axum). Axum was an empire by the Agews and even later established the Zagwe dynasty, which by the way practiced many aspects of the Gadaa system. Agews were no strangers to Oromo neither were Habesha's earliest fathers including this Priest. Just looking at his name says it all "Abba Bahrey". Abbaa is Oromo word for father and they use it as a title eg Abba Nefso, Abba Jaffar, etc. In Oromo culture there is the Abbaa and the ilma (son). These are Gadaa principles of titles, social hierarchy, and so forth. For him to be Abba Bahrey tells us he had direct contacts with Oromo and may have even grew up amongst them to earn such title.
In Gadaa system you have several groups led by certain titles and each title is given to particular family. That family has a hierarchy which also maintains their lineage. In such the father(s) is/are always at the top while the first eldest son awaits his turn. This is where "Abbaa" and "ilma" come handy for example Abbaa Ja'an Galaan (the father of the six branches of Galaan), Abbaa Shanan Jiddaa (Father of the five branches of Jidaa), etc. Then you have Abbaa Gadaa, Abbaa Bokku, and each clan has their own father...each division of Gadaa has its own father or particular family.
So to conquer a land means another race must be uprooted. Who did the Oromo uproot? The Habesha want to play victim yet till us that they arrived from Israel with a Cross and Geez language yet want to play natives. That doesn't make sense.
If anything Oromo conquered the Agews and that's like one brother taking the bigger bedroom from the other------these things always went back and forth. There were times the Agews had the upper hands and chased Oromo sending them south and later Oromo re-conquered the lands their ancestors once walked.
In the later Oromo expansion, that's no different than Somali, Afar, Beja or Agew one.
Everyone expanded at one point in history but what the topic from Twitter discusses is the first arriver to the Horn and Oromo has lived the land before Habesha.
So no it's not a conquest if anything a restoration of their ancestral lands (Cushitic land).
You contradict yourself by laughing at purported 'Oromo migration'. Migration from where? Madagascar?
The within Horn migration is one all sons of Cushitic have under taken.
That throws the theory Christians found Axum/Akshum out off the window.Obelisks were tapered monolithic pillars, typically erected in pairs and placed near temples to protect them from harm, as well as to honor the solar god RA.
What? Early Aksumites did speak Ge'ez, and there were pockets of Cushitic-speaking peoples in the empire too, obviously most notably the Agew people. Ge'ez was not adopted after it declared Christianity as state religion, that is just the reason why a lot of inscriptions are found. Ge'ez, Greek and Agew were all spoken in the empire. Aksum isn't even the empire in which Ge'ez first began anyway.Early Ak-shum did not speak Geez but that was adopted after the Christian establishment came and much of them were imported by none other than the Agews themselves. Like the Somalis who adopted Arabic in order to perfect their Quranic studies, the Ak-shum (Axum), adopted Geez in order to fulfil their new religious duties.
Nagaati
Ras Hawdian,
Okay I will do extra reading because I get different answers literally everywhere. What book or article do you recommend for Oromos and aksum? I have access to all the cambridge journals, and also sites like jstor.There is no such thing as starting point. It's not a fire my friend. Everyone in the Horn once lived a different place than they do today. Some went south, some east, some in between others and some have returned to a familiar grassing land.
Oromo migration within the Horn is no different than the rest of the Horn----who went every direction to find green pasture, ways to support their livelihood or leave external pressures be it natural or man made.
Besides if you even going to discuss that open a new topic and not under a man refuting Abba Bahrey (we have to ask the Habesha how he ended up with Oromo title "Abba" if Oromo were blood thirsty cannibals"), which is totally a different ball game.
Oromo are our people and they are great host. I have lived amongst them from Dire, Adama all the way to Moyale. Never trust the one-eyed Habeshi.
Early Ak-shum did not speak Geez but that was adopted after the Christian establishment came and much of them were imported by none other than the Agews themselves. Like the Somalis who adopted Arabic in order to perfect their Quranic studies, the Ak-shum (Axum), adopted Geez in order to fulfil their new religious duties.
It was under the Agews that Christianity always flourished even they built the monolithic churches of Wollo. It was done under Zagwe king, Lalibela. The churches/town were named after him. He was trying to re-create Jerusalem.
So yes Agews became devoted Christians from early on and that's why their language slowly disappeared. The word Axum is an Agew word derived from the word Ak-Shum; ak meaning sea and shum meaning ruler. To this day much of that title is used by the Agews (wag-shum, ruler of Wag, a region in Wollo).
Agews ruled the land before Christianity and the southern Arabia language of Geez. Akshum was already an important center for Agew/Cushitic religions such as the Sun of God or Ra (Rax). Here they were already erecting the obelisk which contradict Christian/Islamic beliefs. They were erected for the worship of Ra (rax, qorax). Ra is also called Waaq.
That throws the theory Christians found Axum/Akshum out off the window.Obelisks were tapered monolithic pillars, typically erected in pairs and placed near temples to protect them from harm, as well as to honor the solar god RA.
Nagaati
Ras Hawdian,
You, learn more, that saho user, a particular gurage amhara, many other Oromo have migrated to this site within the last 7 years.Im about as habesha as kim jong un, lmaoOP is Habesh too, surely he could have went to Mereja. Also how can an ethnic group who is the largest in horn of africa not have a dedicated website? 'oromo/galla net'?Yes.....all very interesting, but this is a Somali forum.
Bruh. I'm not habesh, I don't think you got the jokeYou, learn more, that saho user, a particular gurage amhara, many other Oromo have migrated to this site within the last 7 years.Im about as habesha as kim jong un, lmao
OP is Habesh too, surely he could have went to Mereja. Also how can an ethnic group who is the largest in horn of africa not have a dedicated website? 'oromo/galla net'?
1) The Obelisk was erected after the state religion was declared as ChristianityRead about the Agews in any material you can find. Try to read about their language. Try to read about the religions in the region with an open mind and you will see what Habesha talk about and the evidence on the ground make no sense for example Christianity has no relations with obelisk while the pagan Sun of God (RA) of Ancient Egypt and Cushitics does.
Even when Agew king Lalibela was building the churches in Lalibela, he still found ways to include his Waaq/RA religion without the Habesha getting the coded message.
Look at the obslik's incorporated into the churches
Also with Oromo always remember their history is very much tied to yours.
Their movement along the Horn has been always tied together and will remain that way. If today Oromo decides to form their own state, that will have its impact on Somalis and historically we always impacted each others one way or another. Their migration fuelled Somali migration and vice-versa.
I recommend Proceedings of the XVth International Conference of Ethiopian Studies by Siegbert Uhlig.
Being and Becoming Oromo: Historical and Anthropological Enquiries by Paul Trevor William Baxter, Jan Hultin, Alessandro Triulzi.
thanks sxb
I recommend Proceedings of the XVth International Conference of Ethiopian Studies by Siegbert Uhlig.
Being and Becoming Oromo: Historical and Anthropological Enquiries by Paul Trevor William Baxter, Jan Hultin, Alessandro Triulzi.
Also, the 4th Century is when Christianity became state religion, not when people started worshiping it..
Not once did I say it wasn't their land, I said above all sorts of people were in the empire^.It's clear who lived in the land and in an effort not only heist Cushitic ancestral homestead but equally loot their great history.
In few posts Habesha myth was put to rest.
Where things got murky is the Agew converting.
That is the greatest robbery.
The Semitic manuscript appearing on Cushitic cities is no different than the Chinese building in Addis Ababa for the AU.
It was mere outsourced project.
It is not just one site or one manuscript, there are LOADS. It shows their beliefs too back then. That is such a silly argument to make, again, saying things that can dismiss pretty much every countries history. Funny how Ge'ez was the only language found as well (excluding Greek and Sabaen). There's no evidence on your behalf but just questionings and 'what if' like claims. Sadly there's no evidence of anything Cushitic pre-Aksum, D'mt which was also Semitic, so this debate will have to stop there, as you basically have the chance to say whatever as there's no evidence on your side.It's clear who lived in the land and in an effort not only heist Cushitic ancestral homestead but equally loot their great history.
In few posts Habesha myth was put to rest.
Where things got murky is the Agew converting.
That is the greatest robbery.
The Semitic manuscript appearing on Cushitic cities is no different than the Chinese building in Addis Ababa for the AU.
If 3000 years from today archaeologists discovered it in ruins, doesn't mean the Chinese once lived here.
It was mere outsourced project.
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