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Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby original dervish » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:29 pm

^^^You must have Xabeshi blood flowing through your veins. :)
PS do you eat your chicken medium rare?

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby AwRastaale » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:39 pm

^^^You must have Xabeshi blood flowing through your veins. :)
PS do you eat your chicken medium rare?
Fock off useless troll.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby hoa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:41 pm

HOA,

It's clear you don't even understand what you are posting. The poster never mentioned anything about the lands Oromo inhabit today except that the theory by Abba Bahrey is mythical legend like that one of Harry Porters.

Do you not agree?

In addiition to that he only says Oromo are part of the Cushitic family and have walked the land long before the Habesha.

Do you not agree?

So what is your argument really in respect to what Mr Saleh has posted on Twitter?

Also looks like you don't understand the Oromo and that region well.

Raaya is not a region but an Oromo sub-tribe who live in Wollo along with their Yejju brothers. So there is nothing called "Wello and Raya".

Raaya are in Wollo.

And no it's not conquered land in respect to what Saleh is saying which is about the subject of who arrived first. Oromo and the Cushitics have always lived as far north as Tigray (Axum). Axum was an empire by the Agews and even later established the Zagwe dynasty, which by the way practiced many aspects of the Gadaa system. Agews were no strangers to Oromo neither were Habesha's earliest fathers including this Priest. Just looking at his name says it all "Abba Bahrey". Abbaa is Oromo word for father and they use it as a title eg Abba Nefso, Abba Jaffar, etc. In Oromo culture there is the Abbaa and the ilma (son). These are Gadaa principles of titles, social hierarchy, and so forth. For him to be Abba Bahrey tells us he had direct contacts with Oromo and may have even grew up amongst them to earn such title.

In Gadaa system you have several groups led by certain titles and each title is given to particular family. That family has a hierarchy which also maintains their lineage. In such the father(s) is/are always at the top while the first eldest son awaits his turn. This is where "Abbaa" and "ilma" come handy for example Abbaa Ja'an Galaan (the father of the six branches of Galaan), Abbaa Shanan Jiddaa (Father of the five branches of Jidaa), etc. Then you have Abbaa Gadaa, Abbaa Bokku, and each clan has their own father...each division of Gadaa has its own father or particular family.

So to conquer a land means another race must be uprooted. Who did the Oromo uproot? The Habesha want to play victim yet till us that they arrived from Israel with a Cross and Geez language yet want to play natives. That doesn't make sense.

If anything Oromo conquered the Agews and that's like one brother taking the bigger bedroom from the other------these things always went back and forth. There were times the Agews had the upper hands and chased Oromo sending them south and later Oromo re-conquered the lands their ancestors once walked.

In the later Oromo expansion, that's no different than Somali, Afar, Beja or Agew one.

Everyone expanded at one point in history but what the topic from Twitter discusses is the first arriver to the Horn and Oromo has lived the land before Habesha.

So no it's not a conquest if anything a restoration of their ancestral lands (Cushitic land).

You contradict yourself by laughing at purported 'Oromo migration'. Migration from where? Madagascar?

The within Horn migration is one all sons of Cushitic have under taken.
I understand that, and I already said the madagascar thing is Bullshit.

Also I meant migration from where they started in ethiopia not madagascar. And also I thought they spoke ge'ez in aksum empire and the zagwe spoke Agew?

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby AwRastaale » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:49 pm

There is no such thing as starting point. It's not a fire my friend. Everyone in the Horn once lived a different place than they do today. Some went south, some east, some in between others and some have returned to a familiar grassing land.

Oromo migration within the Horn is no different than the rest of the Horn----who went every direction to find green pasture, ways to support their livelihood or leave external pressures be it natural or man made.

Besides if you even going to discuss that open a new topic and not under a man refuting Abba Bahrey (we have to ask the Habesha how he ended up with Oromo title "Abba" if Oromo were blood thirsty cannibals"), which is totally a different ball game.

Oromo are our people and they are great host. I have lived amongst them from Dire, Adama all the way to Moyale. Never trust the one-eyed Habeshi.

Early Ak-shum did not speak Geez but that was adopted after the Christian establishment came and much of them were imported by none other than the Agews themselves. Like the Somalis who adopted Arabic in order to perfect their Quranic studies, the Ak-shum (Axum), adopted Geez in order to fulfil their new religious duties.

It was under the Agews that Christianity always flourished even they built the monolithic churches of Wollo. It was done under Zagwe king, Lalibela. The churches/town were named after him. He was trying to re-create Jerusalem.

So yes Agews became devoted Christians from early on and that's why their language slowly disappeared. The word Axum is an Agew word derived from the word Ak-Shum; ak meaning sea and shum meaning ruler. To this day much of that title is used by the Agews (wag-shum, ruler of Wag, a region in Wollo).

Agews ruled the land before Christianity and the southern Arabia language of Geez. Akshum was already an important center for Agew/Cushitic religions such as the Sun of God or Ra (Rax). Here they were already erecting the obelisk which contradict Christian/Islamic beliefs. They were erected for the worship of Ra (rax, qorax). Ra is also called Waaq.
Obelisks were tapered monolithic pillars, typically erected in pairs and placed near temples to protect them from harm, as well as to honor the solar god RA.
That throws the theory Christians found Axum/Akshum out off the window.


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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby learnmore1 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:08 pm

Early Ak-shum did not speak Geez but that was adopted after the Christian establishment came and much of them were imported by none other than the Agews themselves. Like the Somalis who adopted Arabic in order to perfect their Quranic studies, the Ak-shum (Axum), adopted Geez in order to fulfil their new religious duties.

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What? Early Aksumites did speak Ge'ez, and there were pockets of Cushitic-speaking peoples in the empire too, obviously most notably the Agew people. Ge'ez was not adopted after it declared Christianity as state religion, that is just the reason why a lot of inscriptions are found. Ge'ez, Greek and Agew were all spoken in the empire. Aksum isn't even the empire in which Ge'ez first began anyway.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby hoa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:11 pm

There is no such thing as starting point. It's not a fire my friend. Everyone in the Horn once lived a different place than they do today. Some went south, some east, some in between others and some have returned to a familiar grassing land.

Oromo migration within the Horn is no different than the rest of the Horn----who went every direction to find green pasture, ways to support their livelihood or leave external pressures be it natural or man made.

Besides if you even going to discuss that open a new topic and not under a man refuting Abba Bahrey (we have to ask the Habesha how he ended up with Oromo title "Abba" if Oromo were blood thirsty cannibals"), which is totally a different ball game.

Oromo are our people and they are great host. I have lived amongst them from Dire, Adama all the way to Moyale. Never trust the one-eyed Habeshi.

Early Ak-shum did not speak Geez but that was adopted after the Christian establishment came and much of them were imported by none other than the Agews themselves. Like the Somalis who adopted Arabic in order to perfect their Quranic studies, the Ak-shum (Axum), adopted Geez in order to fulfil their new religious duties.

It was under the Agews that Christianity always flourished even they built the monolithic churches of Wollo. It was done under Zagwe king, Lalibela. The churches/town were named after him. He was trying to re-create Jerusalem.

So yes Agews became devoted Christians from early on and that's why their language slowly disappeared. The word Axum is an Agew word derived from the word Ak-Shum; ak meaning sea and shum meaning ruler. To this day much of that title is used by the Agews (wag-shum, ruler of Wag, a region in Wollo).

Agews ruled the land before Christianity and the southern Arabia language of Geez. Akshum was already an important center for Agew/Cushitic religions such as the Sun of God or Ra (Rax). Here they were already erecting the obelisk which contradict Christian/Islamic beliefs. They were erected for the worship of Ra (rax, qorax). Ra is also called Waaq.
Obelisks were tapered monolithic pillars, typically erected in pairs and placed near temples to protect them from harm, as well as to honor the solar god RA.
That throws the theory Christians found Axum/Akshum out off the window.


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Okay I will do extra reading because I get different answers literally everywhere. What book or article do you recommend for Oromos and aksum? I have access to all the cambridge journals, and also sites like jstor.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby GalliumerianSlayer » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:16 pm

Yes.....all very interesting, but this is a Somali forum. :arrow:
OP is Habesh too, surely he could have went to Mereja. Also how can an ethnic group who is the largest in horn of africa not have a dedicated website? 'oromo/galla net'? :?
Im about as habesha as kim jong un, lmao
You, learn more, that saho user, a particular gurage amhara, many other Oromo have migrated to this site within the last 7 years.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby hoa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:18 pm


OP is Habesh too, surely he could have went to Mereja. Also how can an ethnic group who is the largest in horn of africa not have a dedicated website? 'oromo/galla net'? :?
Im about as habesha as kim jong un, lmao
You, learn more, that saho user, a particular gurage amhara, many other Oromo have migrated to this site within the last 7 years.
Bruh. I'm not habesh, I don't think you got the joke :lol:

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby AwRastaale » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:25 pm

Read about the Agews in any material you can find. Try to read about their language. Try to read about the religions in the region with an open mind and you will see what Habesha talk about and the evidence on the ground make no sense for example Christianity has no relations with obelisk while the pagan Sun of God (RA) of Ancient Egypt and Cushitics does.

Even when Agew king Lalibela was building the churches in Lalibela, he still found ways to include his Waaq/RA religion without the Habesha getting the coded message.

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Look at the obslik's incorporated into the churches

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Also with Oromo always remember their history is very much tied to yours.

Their movement along the Horn has been always tied together and will remain that way. If today Oromo decides to form their own state, that will have its impact on Somalis and historically we always impacted each others one way or another. Their migration fuelled Somali migration and vice-versa.


I recommend Proceedings of the XVth International Conference of Ethiopian Studies by Siegbert Uhlig.

Being and Becoming Oromo: Historical and Anthropological Enquiries by Paul Trevor William Baxter, ‎Jan Hultin, ‎Alessandro Triulzi.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby learnmore1 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:42 pm

Read about the Agews in any material you can find. Try to read about their language. Try to read about the religions in the region with an open mind and you will see what Habesha talk about and the evidence on the ground make no sense for example Christianity has no relations with obelisk while the pagan Sun of God (RA) of Ancient Egypt and Cushitics does.

Even when Agew king Lalibela was building the churches in Lalibela, he still found ways to include his Waaq/RA religion without the Habesha getting the coded message.

Image

Look at the obslik's incorporated into the churches

Image

Also with Oromo always remember their history is very much tied to yours.

Their movement along the Horn has been always tied together and will remain that way. If today Oromo decides to form their own state, that will have its impact on Somalis and historically we always impacted each others one way or another. Their migration fuelled Somali migration and vice-versa.


I recommend Proceedings of the XVth International Conference of Ethiopian Studies by Siegbert Uhlig.

Being and Becoming Oromo: Historical and Anthropological Enquiries by Paul Trevor William Baxter, ‎Jan Hultin, ‎Alessandro Triulzi.
1) The Obelisk was erected after the state religion was declared as Christianity

2) Who said these sun gods etc were Cushitic religions in the North. These were the Gods of the Semitic speaking peoples, the inscriptions prove it. Aksum was home to Cushites, Nilotes and Semitic people. The evidence of Semitic presence goes way back. There's actually no evidence that says it was a Cushitic religion in the North, unless you're implying Semites came after the year 300 when Christianity was declared as state religion :lol: .
Both Semites on either side of the red-sea worshipped the son god in which they gave credit to.
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And also I have read about the Agews. I have a pdf of a book that goes into the finest details of pre-Aksum times, Aksum and the Zagwe dynasty, although half of it is a big bore, I will send you through direct message or whatever it's called.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby hoa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:49 pm


I recommend Proceedings of the XVth International Conference of Ethiopian Studies by Siegbert Uhlig.

Being and Becoming Oromo: Historical and Anthropological Enquiries by Paul Trevor William Baxter, ‎Jan Hultin, ‎Alessandro Triulzi.
thanks sxb

I will try to locate them on the internet, if not I'll buy them if they are that good.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby learnmore1 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:02 pm

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Also, the 4th Century is when Christianity became state religion, not when people started worshiping it.

And even if the obelisk was made pre-Christian times, how does that make it automatically Cushitic? You are implying Semites came to Aksum after the 4th Century? That's wrong, there's evidence we have been for 4 millenniums now.

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby AwRastaale » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:10 pm

It's clear who lived in the land and in an effort not only heist Cushitic ancestral homestead but equally loot their great history.

In few posts Habesha myth was put to rest.

Where things got murky is the Agew converting.

That is the greatest robbery.

The Semitic manuscript appearing on Cushitic cities is no different than the Chinese building in Addis Ababa for the AU.

If 3000 years from today archaeologists discovered it in ruins, doesn't mean the Chinese once lived here.

It was mere outsourced project.
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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby learnmore1 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:15 pm

It's clear who lived in the land and in an effort not only heist Cushitic ancestral homestead but equally loot their great history.

In few posts Habesha myth was put to rest.

Where things got murky is the Agew converting.

That is the greatest robbery.

The Semitic manuscript appearing on Cushitic cities is no different than the Chinese building in Addis Ababa for the AU.

It was mere outsourced project.
Not once did I say it wasn't their land, I said above all sorts of people were in the empire^.

You have no evidence it was a Cushitic city, you are actually making claims out of thin air. The Chinese buildings are Chinese, the Semitic manuscripts are Semitic and Semites have been on the land years longer than you claimed (4th century).

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Re: Oromo claims the Oromo migration is a myth!

Postby learnmore1 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:22 pm

It's clear who lived in the land and in an effort not only heist Cushitic ancestral homestead but equally loot their great history.

In few posts Habesha myth was put to rest.

Where things got murky is the Agew converting.

That is the greatest robbery.

The Semitic manuscript appearing on Cushitic cities is no different than the Chinese building in Addis Ababa for the AU.

If 3000 years from today archaeologists discovered it in ruins, doesn't mean the Chinese once lived here.

It was mere outsourced project.
It is not just one site or one manuscript, there are LOADS. It shows their beliefs too back then. That is such a silly argument to make, again, saying things that can dismiss pretty much every countries history. Funny how Ge'ez was the only language found as well (excluding Greek and Sabaen). There's no evidence on your behalf but just questionings and 'what if' like claims. Sadly there's no evidence of anything Cushitic pre-Aksum, D'mt which was also Semitic, so this debate will have to stop there, as you basically have the chance to say whatever as there's no evidence on your side.


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