African or Arab? I didn't know Sudanese had an identity crises

[xamarLady]

I thought they identify themselves as Arab because of langauge and culture but I am wrong. They seem to be confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1YbsGJ5CNg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=porlX2V38_k

[fanaanYG]

I thought they identify themselves as Arab because of langauge and culture but I am wrong. They seem to be confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1YbsGJ5CNg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=porlX2V38_k

Sudan are mix of Arabs and native African, the Arabs want keep their heritage and stay Arabs even thou they are mixed Whit native Sudanese African clans of a nilo and bantu origins and Africans want to be African except few of them who claim Arabs. That is why they are confused

[Estarix]

wtf is "African"?

[MrSalih]

I thought they identify themselves as Arab because of langauge and culture but I am wrong. They seem to be confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1YbsGJ5CNg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=porlX2V38_k

You're kidding right?

How many topics are there here debating if you guys are even a specific shade of brown?

Why does it matter? Some claim arab some don't.Does this offend you?

I mean no one any offence - Just Sayin.

Signed Salih...

[MayDay777]

Sudan is a diverse country. They have Cushites on the East coast

[Estranged]

They're Africans because Sudan is in Africa. They look more like Black Africans than Arabs, but some of them, esp in the North, are mixed.

[TheMightyNomad]

I don't understand why they can't be both Arab and African. It's like asking are you Italian or European? Which one? or you have an identity crisis.

I think the problem comes when you want to lump a diverse population inside a continent under Abstract color label ''Black'' and espouse this nonsense of real African.

[TheMightyNomad]

wtf is "African"?

Person who is native to Africa.

[Estarix]

wtf is "African"?

Person who is native to Africa.

African culture obviously.
There's no unified and distinctive culture that encompasses the entire continent, even the non arab parts of Sudanese culture (Cushitic) is more related to Arab culture than Bantu and it's origins like Arab lies outside the continent.

[TheMightyNomad]

wtf is "African"?

Person who is native to Africa.

African culture obviously.
There's no unified and distinctive culture that encompasses the entire continent, even the non arab parts of Sudanese culture (Cushitic) is more related to Arab culture than Bantu and it's origins like Arab lies outside the continent.

An African is someone who's origins is from Africa. African culture is not monolith (i.e Nilo-Saharan aka Bantu), it is diverse and encompasses different looks,languages,values,history and politics. Remember Africa is continent not an Ethnicity, so lose the notion of some Authentic Africa.

FYI Cushitic is a language native to Africa. It has no such origins outside of the continent. Afro-Asiatic Language family originated in the Horn of Africa and then spread out to the near east.

And also Bantus are recent to most of Africa and not native to many regions. Google Bantu Expansion. Don't make the mistake of stereotyping the whole continent.

[Estarix]

An African is someone who's origins is from Africa. African culture is not monolith (i.e Nilo-Saharan aka Bantu), it is diverse and encompasses different looks,languages,values,history and politics. Remember Africa is continent not an Ethnicity, so lose the notion of some Authentic Africa.

That's exactly my point.

FYI Cushitic is a language native to Africa. It has no such origins outside of the continent. Afro-Asiatic Language family originated in the Horn of Africa and then spread out to the near east.

Linguistics point towards a levant urheimat, though there is an argument that it could be located in the Horn, Sahara or North Africa. There's no uniformity amongst scholars.

And also Bantus are recent to most of Africa and not native to many regions. Google Bantu Expansion. Don't make the mistake of stereotyping the whole continent.

Dont be silly.
The vast majority of Africans are composed of Niger congo speaking people. The majority of central, south and South Western Africa are composed of Bantus or people closely related to them. The khoisan and Pygmy numbers make them irrelevant.

[TheMightyNomad]

Linguistics point towards a levant urheimat, though there is an argument that it could be located in the Horn, Sahara or North Africa. There's no uniformity amongst scholars.

Linguistic does not point towards levant or near east. That hypothesis you speak of is outdated and abandoned along with Hamitic which has been debunked. Now Hamitic is regarded as orientalist myth.

Afro-Asiatic and Cushitic branch oiginated in Africa. Only Semetic branch has an ancestor in the Near East. The language family itself has its origins in the Horn of Africa.

HISTORY AND GENETICS IN AFRICA:
http://www.cobbresearchlab.com/issu...n ... -the-teams

The Hamitic hypothesis was overturned largely by Greenberg, and abandoned by Africanist historians. The majority of historical linguists who study the family read the evidence as supporting that Afro-Asiatic is a family of African origin and history, with one branch, Semitic, having had an ancestor that was carried to Asia (the Near East). They generally agree, based on evidence, that the proto-language was spoken by hunters and gatherers, not seed farmers or pastoralists (i.e. food producers) which is a very important observation. The principle of greatest diversity indicates Africa to be the geographic cradle, and of the concept of “least moves” that the Horn of Africa

This updated study about African genetics and history. It debunks prevailing myths about Afro-asiatic populations living in horn and that their culture and phenotype are not result of admixture but bio-evolutionary adoption to their climate and environment.

Dont be silly.
The vast majority of Africans are composed of Niger congo speaking people. The majority of central, south and South Western Africa are composed of Bantus or people closely related to them. The khoisan and Pygmy numbers make them irrelevant.

They are the majority because they went through huge expansion displacing many non-bantu groups in the process and genociding them. Most southern eastern Africa were mostly Cushitic speaking and the rest of the occupied areas were of khoisan.

Bantu expansion
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent ... _expansion

So it is misleading to stereotype a whole continent as bantu , because they are recent to most of Africa.