Somali Maps

[EvolSyawla]

So I'm trying to assess distances for a new location we will begin transporting to and I came across this map that I WANTED to have blown up and printed for my office...

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/t ... a_2012.jpg


And I was really happy to see one image with multiple maps I could use in good quality. However, wasn't Hawiye most of the south central? I didn't know Rahanwayn was that spread out/large in population and that Isaac is so small in physical space lool

My employee's all flustered 'Yaa sameyey waxan ', a Somali must have made it (implying bias in qabiil mapping) but I wonder.

Since I don't really care about the qabiil part, what about the map that says Somalia spans the size of the US top to bottom? lol I cant drive from some of those cities in the distance it takes between Berbera and Hargeisa (less than 2 hours) so I know that map is wrong also. lol Just wanted to share and get some opinions.

[Prlnce]

Rest in Peace to Kismayo, notice how it says Ethnic Minorities and not Kenyan/Ethiopian OGs. Also it's possible to travel from Hargeisa to Berbera in 2 hours if the roads didn't have potholes the size of craters and didn't get hassled in every tuulo and road block.

I think the map is absolutely accurate with the qabil break down. I find it interesting how small Isaaq are compared to Darod and Hawiye. Yet Isaaq control and annexed huge portion of other qabil's territory.When we all stop being bias and stop using "alternative facts. it's really surprising and impressive this tiny Isaaq qabil pulled it off.

So my question is this small minority Isaaq clan that powerful or are the Darod and Hawiye that weak?

[Develop]

Not accurate map.

Rest in Peace to Kismayo, notice how it says Ethnic Minorities and not Kenyan/Ethiopian OGs. Also it's possible to travel from Hargeisa to Berbera in 2 hours if the roads didn't have potholes the size of craters and didn't get hassled in every tuulo and road block.

I think the map is absolutely accurate with the qabil break down. I find it interesting how small Isaaq are compared to Darod and Hawiye. Yet Isaaq control and annexed huge portion of other qabil's territory.When we all stop being bias and stop using "alternative facts. it's really surprising and impressive this tiny Isaaq qabil pulled it off.

So my question is this small minority Isaaq clan that powerful or are the Darod and Hawiye that weak?

Most Isaaq 95% live under 1 administration like the Hawiye. .

[Iqsom]

Rest in Peace to Kismayo, notice how it says Ethnic Minorities and not Kenyan/Ethiopian OGs. Also it's possible to travel from Hargeisa to Berbera in 2 hours if the roads didn't have potholes the size of craters and didn't get hassled in every tuulo and road block.

I think the map is absolutely accurate with the qabil break down. I find it interesting how small Isaaq are compared to Darod and Hawiye. Yet Isaaq control and annexed huge portion of other qabil's territory.When we all stop being bias and stop using "alternative facts. it's really surprising and impressive this tiny Isaaq qabil pulled it off.

So my question is this small minority Isaaq clan that powerful or are the Darod and Hawiye that weak?

Idk the accuracy of the map but even if it is : does how big a land is equal population aswell? I think the people in the hawiye & darood territories are scattered. It seems the isaaq like to live closer to eachother while the darood for example move around more

[TeeriReturns]

Rest in Peace to Kismayo, notice how it says Ethnic Minorities and not Kenyan/Ethiopian OGs. Also it's possible to travel from Hargeisa to Berbera in 2 hours if the roads didn't have potholes the size of craters and didn't get hassled in every tuulo and road block.

I think the map is absolutely accurate with the qabil break down. I find it interesting how small Isaaq are compared to Darod and Hawiye. Yet Isaaq control and annexed huge portion of other qabil's territory.When we all stop being bias and stop using "alternative facts. it's really surprising and impressive this tiny Isaaq qabil pulled it off.

So my question is this small minority Isaaq clan that powerful or are the Darod and Hawiye that weak?

can you not read where it says Mohamed Zubeer, since your bird is apparently OG i am surprised you dont know what MZ is, OGs have also lived in Kismayo degaans and your talking about the city originally lived by baajuun, we took it over and conquered it and the bajaans are minroty, end of,

f-king idiot, if i am ethiopian/Kenyan then why do i live through out jubbaland (mohamed zubeer, Aulyahan etc), look at jubbaland, Ogaden covers 90% of the bloody land space with marehan on the ethiopian border, learn to read

[MoAwr]

So I'm trying to assess distances for a new location we will begin transporting to and I came across this map that I WANTED to have blown up and printed for my office...

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/t ... a_2012.jpg


And I was really happy to see one image with multiple maps I could use in good quality. However, wasn't Hawiye most of the south central? I didn't know Rahanwayn was that spread out/large in population and that Isaac is so small in physical space lool

My employee's all flustered 'Yaa sameyey waxan ', a Somali must have made it (implying bias in qabiil mapping) but I wonder.

Since I don't really care about the qabiil part, what about the map that says Somalia spans the size of the US top to bottom? lol I cant drive from some of those cities in the distance it takes between Berbera and Hargeisa (less than 2 hours) so I know that map is wrong also. lol Just wanted to share and get some opinions.

So oog iyo qori are in punt land !
Plus the drive between Hargaisa and Berbera has improved (2 hours like you said and most maps have elements of bias)

[Tijoux]

Rest in Peace to Kismayo, notice how it says Ethnic Minorities and not Kenyan/Ethiopian OGs. Also it's possible to travel from Hargeisa to Berbera in 2 hours if the roads didn't have potholes the size of craters and didn't get hassled in every tuulo and road block.

I think the map is absolutely accurate with the qabil break down. I find it interesting how small Isaaq are compared to Darod and Hawiye. Yet Isaaq control and annexed huge portion of other qabil's territory.When we all stop being bias and stop using "alternative facts. it's really surprising and impressive this tiny Isaaq qabil pulled it off.

So my question is this small minority Isaaq clan that powerful or are the Darod and Hawiye that weak?

They havent annexed any land they have just succeded partially in convincing other clans to follow their somaliland project. Majeerten alone have more land than all idoors

[Tijoux]

Rest in Peace to Kismayo, notice how it says Ethnic Minorities and not Kenyan/Ethiopian OGs. Also it's possible to travel from Hargeisa to Berbera in 2 hours if the roads didn't have potholes the size of craters and didn't get hassled in every tuulo and road block.

I think the map is absolutely accurate with the qabil break down. I find it interesting how small Isaaq are compared to Darod and Hawiye. Yet Isaaq control and annexed huge portion of other qabil's territory.When we all stop being bias and stop using "alternative facts. it's really surprising and impressive this tiny Isaaq qabil pulled it off.

So my question is this small minority Isaaq clan that powerful or are the Darod and Hawiye that weak?

Idk the accuracy of the map but even if it is : does how big a land is equal population aswell? I think the people in the hawiye & darood territories are scattered. It seems the isaaq like to live closer to eachother while the darood for example move around more

Somalis are nomads, they move around alot, so yes, land is proportional to population

[SuldaanMaplesyrup]

That dense strip between Hargeisa and Wajaale

[xiimaaya]

It's is because Isaaq are langaab and most live in the

[EvolSyawla]

^^^ loool

Not accurate map.

Rest in Peace to Kismayo, notice how it says Ethnic Minorities and not Kenyan/Ethiopian OGs. Also it's possible to travel from Hargeisa to Berbera in 2 hours if the roads didn't have potholes the size of craters and didn't get hassled in every tuulo and road block.

I think the map is absolutely accurate with the qabil break down. I find it interesting how small Isaaq are compared to Darod and Hawiye. Yet Isaaq control and annexed huge portion of other qabil's territory.When we all stop being bias and stop using "alternative facts. it's really surprising and impressive this tiny Isaaq qabil pulled it off.

So my question is this small minority Isaaq clan that powerful or are the Darod and Hawiye that weak?

Most Isaaq 95% live under 1 administration like the Hawiye. .

Your map isn't accurate either though, Habar Yonis doesn't take up that much space, and Hargeisa's Arap poplation isn't large enough to put on the map (from what I have seen living here)..Habar Awal is bigger than them and they're no where to be seen? lol

Somaliland took everyone's tribes down when we were getting our aqoonsi in the last couple of years. It is up to the Ministry of whateverthehellhessupposetobedoing to be mapping this. All local governments have a responsibility to accurately represent and map their locales, whether it is tribal representation, economic grown, land/farming land types, and roads - and this is never accurately done.

Annoying. But good to know everyone thinks these maps are also incorrect. Can anyone find a largely accepted map of our ass-backwards country?

[Ben Dover]

The most accurate map of Somaliland's tribes is the one used by the British Somaliland Camel Corps, they mapped all of Somaliland's tribes on a sub sub sub clan level, basically dia paying groups. I believe it took a few years to finish because they had to travel to every village and document which subclan lived there. This is how they maintained peace between quarreling subclans and how they knew where each subclan resides. It is very accurate.

Everything else is pure guesswork. Which is why my hometown in is added to Puntland in the map above.

[kanadiid90]

The most accurate map of Somaliland's tribes is the one used by the British Somaliland Camel Corps, they mapped all of Somaliland's tribes on a sub sub sub clan level, basically dia paying groups. I believe it took a few years to finish because they had to travel to every village and document which subclan lived there. This is how they maintained peace between quarreling subclans and how they knew where each subclan resides. It is very accurate.

Everything else is pure guesswork. Which is why my hometown in is added to Puntland in the map above.

that map looks interesting but sadly it aint clear, could you pls upload a larger version of it

[Ben Dover]

that map looks interesting but sadly it aint clear, could you pls upload a larger version of it

I do not have a better version at the moment I am afraid, the original is kept by one of my uncles. I can get a high res version next time I am up. Though I am sure there is a clearer version that I posted in the IPG a few years ago now, I will need to check if it is still there. I even did an overlay with boundaries between clans and such.

Its very interesting, it basically lists all the reers of Somaliland and where they live.

If anyone finds it in the IPG please do not post high res version publicly, shit like that should stay in the IPG.

[X.Playa]

The most accurate map of Somaliland's tribes is the one used by the British Somaliland Camel Corps, they mapped all of Somaliland's tribes on a sub sub sub clan level, basically dia paying groups. I believe it took a few years to finish because they had to travel to every village and document which subclan lived there. This is how they maintained peace between quarreling subclans and how they knew where each subclan resides. It is very accurate.

Everything else is pure guesswork. Which is why my hometown in is added to Puntland in the map above.

The map above is Afweyne CIA map from the seventies , notice how reer Biciidyahan is featured as though they are some giants , reer Biicdyahan don't even deserve to be put into that map , and what exactly they are doing in H.Y wardheer region?? , and why the line is pushed so far west that even Shimbiris is added to Daarood factious land and along Ceerigaabo lool , notice how Mareexeen were given the entire region of Jubland along the Ogadeen completely denuding entire clans of their ancestral land.