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Somali BLM girl: "We Somalis were enslaved by the Arabs" Historians, DNA experts come in

Postby Thanatophiliac » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:11 pm

@Zuumale
@Sophisticate
@Jabuutawi
@RoobleAlWaliid
@Ben Dover

So this girl (who is pro BLM surprise surprise) is attempting to build a narrative as to the fact that Somalis were slaves. The reason why Somalis look that way was because the ancestors of Somalis were raped by Arabs etc.

She wants to fit in with the madows at our expense! :damn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqQhLdVjm-M

Please comment and repudiate these unsubstantiated opinions. DNA experts, Historians, you are all welcome. Also, spam the video. The faaraxs have done a great job so far of putting her in her place! They have invaded that video! :clap:

P.S: Somebody please embed the video. Don't know how to do it!

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Re: Somali BLM girl: "We Somalis were enslaved by the Arabs" Historians, DNA experts come in

Postby Iqsom » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:36 pm

Ahh this chick. Yea she doesn't give up. Someone said she's bantu. Its weird how she's so persistent in making these videos too. She is a supporter of a recently deceased bantu "Dr" Saadiq Enow. He basically made a living off of saying ethnic somalis are arab ass lickers, he did these speeches in front of us too lol. He was very bitter about the treatment of bantus by somalis. I'll report her video lol

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Re: Somali BLM girl: "We Somalis were enslaved by the Arabs" Historians, DNA experts come in

Postby Puntlander542 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:43 pm

Wallahi i hate these SJW somalis, so embarrassing they dont know their history

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Re: Somali BLM girl: "We Somalis were enslaved by the Arabs" Historians, DNA experts come in

Postby zumaale » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:02 pm

That creature ain't worth it. Ama pass on this one cuz.


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Re: Somali BLM girl: "We Somalis were enslaved by the Arabs" Historians, DNA experts come in

Postby Jabuutawi » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:57 pm

I did my part :mrgreen: .

Btw, this site lacks a lot of things and one of them is tag feature. Since the "update" you can't even embed a video but the link. Waryaa is about to collect his social security checks and does not give two-effs anymore about this site, lol.

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Re: Somali BLM girl: "We Somalis were enslaved by the Arabs" Historians, DNA experts come in

Postby GalliumerianSlayer » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:04 pm

Dislike and flag her video

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Re: Somali BLM girl: "We Somalis were enslaved by the Arabs" Historians, DNA experts come in

Postby Sophisticate » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:21 am

I can see why she did it. Some people want to align themselves with the underdog. They want to live vicariously through them since their story is a harrowing tale of overcoming dehumanization, whilst trying to craft their identity from scratch. You have to salute African Americans for that. The thing is some people are addicted to the feeling of victimization. No; really. If you are a victim you are never in control. You aren't responsible. And you become infantilized by asking others to change your circumstances.

The problem is in creating a false narrative about Somali history/heritage just to feel like you belong or are a part of the"struggle". You can give your support without adopting another group's story. There is a certain type of pathology when one wants to self-identify as forever downtrodden just so they can have something to complain about or point the finger at. In fact, miserable people are addicted to feeling like they are at the bottom of the totem pole. It gives them something to talk about and exonerates them from changing their state of mind/situation. It's a self-perpetuating system.

I think this chick is kind of kinky - I mean it sounds like she's having a rape fantasy but trying to slyly pass it off for Somali heritage. If she's down for falafel, just say so. We'll gladly introduce her to some respectable Banu Hashims. There is no need to pretend that Somalis are something they are not. We're just Somali. Not a byproduct of rape. Not Mixed. Not Arab. Not Bantu. Not ET.

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Postby zumaale » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:43 pm

I can see why she did it. Some people want to align themselves with the underdog. They want to live vicariously through them since their story is a harrowing tale of overcoming dehumanization, whilst trying to craft their identity from scratch. You have to salute African Americans for that. The thing is some people are addicted to the feeling of victimization. No; really. If you are a victim you are never in control. You aren't responsible. And you become infantilized by asking others to change your circumstances.

The problem is in creating a false narrative about Somali history/heritage just to feel like you belong or are a part of the"struggle". You can give your support without adopting another group's story. There is a certain type of pathology when one wants to self-identify as forever downtrodden just so they can have something to complain about or point the finger at. In fact, miserable people are addicted to feeling like they are at the bottom of the totem pole. It gives them something to talk about and exonerates them from changing their state of mind/situation. It's a self-perpetuating system.

I think this chick is kind of kinky - I mean it sounds like she's having a rape fantasy but trying to slyly pass it off for Somali heritage. If she's down for falafel, just say so. We'll gladly introduce her to some respectable Banu Hashims. There is no need to pretend that Somalis are something they are not. We're just Somali. Not a byproduct of rape. Not Mixed. Not Arab. Not Bantu. Not ET.
:damn:

Surely not the E-V32 ones? :lol:

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Re: Somali BLM girl: "We Somalis were enslaved by the Arabs" Historians, DNA experts come in

Postby Gaashaanle1000 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:26 pm

I can see why she did it. Some people want to align themselves with the underdog. They want to live vicariously through them since their story is a harrowing tale of overcoming dehumanization, whilst trying to craft their identity from scratch. You have to salute African Americans for that. The thing is some people are addicted to the feeling of victimization. No; really. If you are a victim you are never in control. You aren't responsible. And you become infantilized by asking others to change your circumstances.

The problem is in creating a false narrative about Somali history/heritage just to feel like you belong or are a part of the"struggle". You can give your support without adopting another group's story. There is a certain type of pathology when one wants to self-identify as forever downtrodden just so they can have something to complain about or point the finger at. In fact, miserable people are addicted to feeling like they are at the bottom of the totem pole. It gives them something to talk about and exonerates them from changing their state of mind/situation. It's a self-perpetuating system.

I think this chick is kind of kinky - I mean it sounds like she's having a rape fantasy but trying to slyly pass it off for Somali heritage. If she's down for falafel, just say so. We'll gladly introduce her to some respectable Banu Hashims. There is no need to pretend that Somalis are something they are not. We're just Somali. Not a byproduct of rape. Not Mixed. Not Arab. Not Bantu. Not ET.
:damn:

Surely not the E-V32 ones? :lol:
How does anyone know what Y chromosome the Banu Hashim were?

There are plenty of Arabs who fall under - E-v32, you do realise that don't you.

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Postby zumaale » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:05 pm

I can see why she did it. Some people want to align themselves with the underdog. They want to live vicariously through them since their story is a harrowing tale of overcoming dehumanization, whilst trying to craft their identity from scratch. You have to salute African Americans for that. The thing is some people are addicted to the feeling of victimization. No; really. If you are a victim you are never in control. You aren't responsible. And you become infantilized by asking others to change your circumstances.

The problem is in creating a false narrative about Somali history/heritage just to feel like you belong or are a part of the"struggle". You can give your support without adopting another group's story. There is a certain type of pathology when one wants to self-identify as forever downtrodden just so they can have something to complain about or point the finger at. In fact, miserable people are addicted to feeling like they are at the bottom of the totem pole. It gives them something to talk about and exonerates them from changing their state of mind/situation. It's a self-perpetuating system.

I think this chick is kind of kinky - I mean it sounds like she's having a rape fantasy but trying to slyly pass it off for Somali heritage. If she's down for falafel, just say so. We'll gladly introduce her to some respectable Banu Hashims. There is no need to pretend that Somalis are something they are not. We're just Somali. Not a byproduct of rape. Not Mixed. Not Arab. Not Bantu. Not ET.
:damn:

Surely not the E-V32 ones? :lol:
How does anyone know what Y chromosome the Banu Hashim were?

There are plenty of Arabs who fall under - E-v32, you do realise that don't you.
Not you too. :mindblown:
E-M78 originated in northeastern Africa around 19 ka with a descendant lineage (E-V32) unique to the HOA that arrived by at least 6 ka
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/a ... en.1004393

DNA could illuminate Islam's lineage

Rasha Elass

June 19, 2009


For almost 1,600 years, the title Sharif, Sayyed, or Habib has been bestowed on Muslims who have been able to trace their roots back to the Prophet Mohammed through intricate family trees, oral histories and genealogical records. But now an American DNA lab says it may have identified the DNA signature of descendants of the Prophet Mohammed, and perhaps the prospect of a direct, more accurate means of confirming or identifying such a connection.

Family Tree DNA, a genealogy and genetics-testing company in Houston, Texas, says it made the discovery after several clients, reputed by oral family histories and some supporting documentation to be descended from the Prophet Mohammed, asked to have their paternal DNA sequences mapped. "With these various samples, we were able to identify an overlapping signature in their DNA, a common thread for all of them, which is their genetic lineage from the Prophet, if their oral tradition is accurate," said Bennett Greenspan, chief executive of Family Tree DNA, which is said to have amassed one of the largest DNA databases in the world.

The company declined to identify any of the men on the grounds of client privacy, but Mr Greenspan said "several samples came from men in different parts of the Arab world". Genetic testing can trace the maternal or paternal line by mapping the DNA in the sex chromosome passed on by parents. The father passes on the Y chromosome to his son and the mother her X chromosome, so only male descendants can trace both their patriarchal and matriarchal lineage. Female descendants, possessing two X chromosomes, can test only their matriarchal lineage, also known as mitochondrial DNA, or mtDNA.

In recent years there have been many projects attempting to identify the DNA signatures of famous people, tribes and populations that inhabit specific regions - sometimes with surprising results. In 2003 a group of international geneticists found that eight per cent of men in what used to be the Mongolian Empire were descended from Genghis Khan. According to a ground-breaking paper in The American Journal of Human Genetics in 2003, this meant there were no fewer than 16 million descendants of the 12th-century ruler living today.

The DNA signature of Marie Antoinette is also said to have been determined, meaning anyone suspecting a genetic link to the former queen of France can confirm their royal roots by testing their mtDNA. Such analysis can create controversy. When the DNA signature of Thomas Jefferson, the third president of the United States, was isolated, it appeared to give credence to the theory that Jefferson, revered as one of the America's founding fathers, had fathered a child with his slave, Sally Hemmings.

But it could not be confirmed beyond a doubt because although Eston Hemmings, the child of the slave, shared the same Y chromosomal DNA as Jefferson, he could have been the offspring of any of Jefferson's male relatives living in Virginia at the time. The Prophet Mohammed had no surviving sons but his daughter Fatima married her paternal second cousin, Ali, producing two grandsons: Hassan and Hussein. Both have a traceable line of male descendants.

Because Ali and the Prophet Mohammed share the same grandfather, their paternal DNA is identical. Descendants can confirm their lineage when they reflect similar patterns. Most Islamic scholars agree there is nothing objectionable about testing individual DNA - and countries such as the UAE encourage DNA use in criminal forensics - but there are complex rulings when it comes to using DNA in court for establishing lineage.

According to the Kuwait-based Islamic Organisation for Medical Sciences, a forum where scholars meet regularly to discuss scientific and medical ethics in Islam, the use of DNA is permissible in certain cases. "A mechanism called qiyafah, similar to an expert witness, existed at the time of the Prophet," said Sheikh Musa Furber, a scholar in Islamic law at the Abu Dhabi-based Tabah Foundation. "The Prophet would send the people to an expert who can look at overall physical resemblance to deduce who might be the father. Today, instead of qiyafah, we should consider DNA testing."

But Islamic courts do not accept DNA evidence in establishing the paternity of a child born in wedlock, as the law typically considers the mother's husband to be the father, assuming she was not pregnant when married. There is another issue that arises in the Islamic tradition when using DNA to establish lineage: "Lineage, or nasab, in Islamic law assumes lawful intercourse," Sheikh Musa said. "But since a DNA test cannot prove lawful intercourse, it cannot stand as proof of lineage from a legal perspective."

There are a few privately funded lineage projects in the region, such as the Arab DNA Project and the Arab J1e Y-DNA Project. The former is an online public forum with chat rooms and shared information for Arab men and women interested in their genetic lineage. The J1e project, accessible through the website of Family Tree DNA (at www.familytreedna.com) is more specialised. It is a forum for men whose Y chromosome belongs to the J1e haplogroup, a genetic grouping of Semitic tribes.

J1e is the genetic signature of the Hashemites, a clan to which the Prophet Mohammed belonged. The current King of Jordan, Abdullah II, is a Hashemite descendant, and one of the better-known living descendants of the Prophet Mohammed. Just how many will test their own DNA to find a link remains to be seen, officials say. "When it comes to the Prophet, I'd rather live in doubt than receive certainty that I'm not related to him," said Sheikh Furber.

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Postby Sahibzada » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:27 pm



How does anyone know what Y chromosome the Banu Hashim were?

There are plenty of Arabs who fall under - E-v32, you do realise that don't you.
"Many" would be a wrong term but a sizable minority of Arabians do have V32.

There are more V32 in Arabia(Saudi,Qatar etc) then Egypt/Sudan where it originated from.

Check out the V32 section yourself..
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3 ... e=yresults




Zumaale has some sort of inferiority complex when it comes to Cushites....which is why he denies everything to do with V32 and the Cushite/AfroAsiatic E1b1b family.I guess these beta male qualities were probably inherited from his T-M70 Surre langaab ancestors :lol:

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Postby zumaale » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:50 pm



How does anyone know what Y chromosome the Banu Hashim were?

There are plenty of Arabs who fall under - E-v32, you do realise that don't you.
"Many" would be a wrong term but a sizable minority of Arabians do have V32.

There are more V32 in Arabia(Saudi,Qatar etc) then Egypt/Sudan where it originated from.

Check out the V32 section yourself..
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3 ... e=yresults




Zumaale has some sort of inferiority complex when it comes to Cushites....which is why he denies everything to do with V32 and the Cushite/AfroAsiatic E1b1b family.I guess these beta male qualities were probably inherited from his T-M70 Surre langaab ancestors :lol:
This is gonna be easy. I asked you to provide scientific evidence for your assertions in Ramzy's thread but you kept quiet, well the time of reckoning is here my Habar Waaqo friend.

http://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/artic ... 2156-10-59

Out of a sample of 157 Saudis, not one of them was E-M78, let alone E-V32 yet you have the nerve to comment. E-M78 reached 18 percent in Egypt according to this study. Are you Bani Hashim? If not, do you dispute my assertion that E-V32 ain't a Bani Hashim but a Fufu-Lite marker? My issue with those that claim Bani Hashim yet possess E-V32, I do not see why we cannot get along as you are a Cushite that is proud to be related to Oromos and some Nioltes :mrgreen: .



In regard to Sudan, E-V32 was found to be the most common subclade among the Sudanese. Your Nilotic Maslit cousins got it in abundance :damn: .
E-V32 is the most frequent subclade among
Sudanese. The Masalit possesses by far the highest fre-
quency of the E-M78 and of the E-V32 haplogroup, sug-
gesting either a recent bottleneck in the population or a
proximity to the origin of the haplogroup. Both E-V13,
which is believed to originate in western Asia with its
low frequency in North Africa, and E-V65 of North Afri-
can origin (Cruciani et al., 2007), were not found among
Sudanese.
http://khartoumspace.uofk.edu/bitstream ... sequence=1

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Postby Sahibzada » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:15 pm

The Masaalit got it because they were close to the source of the V32 which was in Northern Sudan/Egypt near the Nile...are you actually arguing that E-M35 has nothing to do with the AA family and that V32 is not a Cushite marker? LOL you are either one dumb motherfucker or you suffer from what I call "Langaab syndrome" :lol:

Also what's up with these words like Habar Waaqo or Fufu lite is it supposed to hurt me? Waaq was the god of my Cushite ancestors and I'm not ashamed of it...I'm actually very proud!These E-M35 nomadic men had spread all over the MENA,Horn and S.Europe and created one of the largest language families existing today..as for you where exactly did your langaab folks ever develop a culture/religon/language of their own? Your ancestors are langaab and you are now an irrelevant Surre walaweyn :lol:


As for the study of Saudis..the study is literally 8 years old(alot has changed since in this field)...I have shown that there are Saudis from tribal backgrounds with V32.If you want to cover your eyes like a bitch or accept the facts is all up to your langaab cajooz ass

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Postby zumaale » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:44 pm

The Masaalit got it because they were close to the source of the V32 which was in Northern Sudan/Egypt near the Nile...are you actually arguing that E-M35 has nothing to do with the AA family and that V32 is not a Cushite marker? LOL you are either one dumb motherfucker or you suffer from what I call "Langaab syndrome" :lol:

Also what's up with these words like Habar Waaqo or Fufu lite is it supposed to hurt me? Waaq was the god of my Cushite ancestors and I'm not ashamed of it...I'm actually very proud!These E-M35 nomadic men had spread all over the MENA,Horn and S.Europe and created one of the largest language families existing today..as for you where exactly did your langaab folks ever develop a culture/religon/language of their own? Your ancestors are langaab and you are now an irrelevant Surre walaweyn :lol:


As for the study of Saudis..the study is literally 8 years old(alot has changed since in this field)...I have shown that there are Saudis from tribal backgrounds with V32.If you want to cover your eyes like a bitch or accept the facts is all up to your langaab cajooz ass
A lot has changed? Evidence? Crucian's paper was published in 2007, was he also lying about E-V32 being unique to the Horn in his research paper? Do not dodge my request, supply some credible academic pieces of evidence for your statement that E-V32 is more common in the Middle East than Sudan and Egypt or stop wasting my time.

Saudis from tribal backgrounds kulaha, Nigga, the Arabs on that FTDNA page are overwhelmingly other subclades of E1b1b. Next to your name Sa3ad Musa are mainly Somali E-V32's and and no more than a handful of samples from Arabia with names attached.

The AA Family is a linguistic family, not a genetic family. When did I even dispute that Cushitic languages are a branch of Afro-Asiatic. We are discussing genetics here, not linguistics. Don't try and change the subject.


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