Elon musk again scares people about AI

[DaacasBiyo]

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6082 ... -too-late/

Instead of telling people that their nukes and their biological weapons are the real threat to humanity, they invent this boogieman AI to distract us.

To really know what AI is, just fast forward to 4:50


I'll be scared when it does this, until then i call it BS

[Raidboss]

The problem with AI is when it comes to a stage of self improvement. It would modify itself at fast rate and it wouldnt take long before its so advance that we cannot comprehend. So they want the AI to teach the scientist but it has its own independent thinking so in theory the AI could remove the air because its not very effective enviroment for machines. The AI could easily get the nuke codes or create new nukes thats is much more powerful etc.

[DaacasBiyo]

The problem with AI is when it comes to a stage of self improvement. It would modify itself at fast rate and it wouldnt take long before its so advance that we cannot comprehend. So they want the AI to teach the scientist but it has its own independent thinking so in theory the AI could remove the air because its not very effective enviroment for machines. The AI could easily get the nuke codes or create new nukes thats is much more powerful etc.

Yeah, it can learn not question about that but there are so many things we still don't know about the human brain's abilities that they should not scare us. On the other hand, Google is starting to teach Parkour to its AI and that is what we have to keep an eye on because if it masters it and becomes agile like the humans than we're in deep trouble.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/252 ... our-course

[xiimaaya]

It's fake there is nothing more powerful or smarter then human brain it's proven fact.


Ai is made by humans

[Raidboss]

The problem with AI is when it comes to a stage of self improvement. It would modify itself at fast rate and it wouldnt take long before its so advance that we cannot comprehend. So they want the AI to teach the scientist but it has its own independent thinking so in theory the AI could remove the air because its not very effective enviroment for machines. The AI could easily get the nuke codes or create new nukes thats is much more powerful etc.

Yeah, it can learn not question about that but there are so many things we still don't know about the human brain's abilities that they should not scare us. On the other hand, Google is starting to teach Parkour to its AI and that is what we have to keep an eye on because if it masters it and becomes agile like the humans than we're in deep trouble.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/252 ... our-course

This is just the beginning when it comes to agility. And the human brain is powerful when it reaches its full potential and these are things they want to learn from or ask the AI but If I understood Elon Musk and what he warns about is not the AI created by humans we should worry about but the AI created by AI.

[DaacasBiyo]

It's fake there is nothing more powerful or smarter then human brain it's proven fact.


Ai is made by humans

It's not fake and it can challenge the human brain, it beat Go players. If they make a powerful AI that has 1000x more brain power then humans and is like Watson we have nothing to worry about, but if they make it agile and it moves like humans in the parkour video than we're in trouble. That's why Google wants to crack the Parkour challenge, if they do, they will easily become the most powerful military organisation in the world. Google already sold its Boston Dynamics division because they said it scared people but the real reason was they could not make the robots agile enough that's why they are focusing this time on making the AI agile enough to then put it in robots and they're doing it with no fanfare.

[Raidboss]

It's not fake and it can challenge the human brain, it beat Go players. If they make a powerful AI that has 1000x more brain power then humans and is like Watson we have nothing to worry about, but if they make it agile and it moves like humans in the parkour video than we're in trouble. That's why Google wants to crack the Parkour challenge, if they do, they will easily become the most powerful military organisation in the world. Google already sold its Boston Dynamics division because they said it scared people but the real reason was they could not make the robots agile enough that's why they are focusing this time on making the AI agile enough to then put it in robots and they're doing it with no fanfare.

How can you have nothing to worry about if its 1000x more smarter than humans? It could easily make itself agile and fool humans. I dont understand your reasoning. The danger lies in its intelligence walaal.

[DaacasBiyo]

It's not fake and it can challenge the human brain, it beat Go players. If they make a powerful AI that has 1000x more brain power then humans and is like Watson we have nothing to worry about, but if they make it agile and it moves like humans in the parkour video than we're in trouble. That's why Google wants to crack the Parkour challenge, if they do, they will easily become the most powerful military organisation in the world. Google already sold its Boston Dynamics division because they said it scared people but the real reason was they could not make the robots agile enough that's why they are focusing this time on making the AI agile enough to then put it in robots and they're doing it with no fanfare.

How can you have nothing to worry about if its 1000x more smarter than humans? It could easily make itself agile and fool humans. I dont understand your reasoning. The danger lies in its intelligence walaal.

I don't think you're following me, put it this way, in the movie I,Robot, they have a Watson like AI called Vicky that sits in a warehouse and it's not agile, it's just a big very smart AI, that's what IBM and Google have now, their A.Is are not as smart as the one in the movie but they're getting there. Now what Google wants is to build the robot army like in the movie and once they have those agile army robots with their locomotion behavior well defined as the humans in the parkour then the main AI will control those robots like in the movie but if Google goes even further, meaning if they make the robots self sufficient with their own independent AI and not controlled by the parent AI, then those robots will make themselves and since they can physically move like humans they will control the world and that's what Elon and others are worried about. The reason people are not up in arms about what Google is doing is that they have convinced people that AI will never "be" like humans which is completely different than saying "move" like humans. Google does not want to build robots that look like humans only the Asians do that, what Google is after is "moving" like humans, that's why they don't waste their time in facial features and other human face mimicry, they are after warfare movements and parkour is a military training obstacle course discipline they want their future robots to master.

[gurey25]

I don't think you're following me, put it this way, in the movie I,Robot, they have a Watson like AI called Vicky that sits in a warehouse and it's not agile, it's just a big very smart AI, that's what IBM and Google have now, their A.Is are not as smart as the one in the movie but they're getting there. Now what Google wants is to build the robot army like in the movie and once they have those agile army robots with their locomotion behavior well defined as the humans in the parkour then the main AI will control those robots like in the movie but if Google goes even further, meaning if they make the robots self sufficient with their own independent AI and not controlled by the parent AI, then those robots will make themselves and since they can physically move like humans they will control the world and that's what Elon and others are worried about. The reason people are not up in arms about what Google is doing is that they have convinced people that AI will never "be" like humans which is completely different than saying "move" like humans. Google does not want to build robots that look like humans only the Asians do that, what Google is after is "moving" like humans, that's why they don't waste their time in facial features and other human face mimicry, they are after warfare movements and parkour is a military training obstacle course discipline they want their future robots to master.

We are very very far from sentient AI much less a Sapient one with our level intelligence.
You would need advances in quantum computing to progress to that level, but thats not the issue.
What google is doing is similar to what allot of others are doing around the world and that is millitarized robotics.
The scary thing is that we do not need any new technology today to implement this, its only an engineering and design issue, we can already build gun carrying autonomous drones that only require orders to act on pre-programmed missions and tasks. No need for a drone operator.

To get the nightmare scenario we do not need human level intelligence , just ant level intelligent AI is more than enough and this is not too outrageous,


on the other hand the GO victory scares me half to death,
GO is not chess, you cannot brute force it and it needs more of a big picture approach than the methodological thinking several steps ahead approach.
GO needs more intuition , ive always been an average chess player and only because i used to play against very skilled chess players who always beat me very quickly.

my intelligence is more skewed to the artistic and musical side, and ive always been proud that i devastate
my chess champion friends and defeat them as easily as they defeat me when we play GO.

that a machine can do this is worrying.

[DaacasBiyo]

We are very very far from sentient AI much less a Sapient one with our level intelligence.
You would need advances in quantum computing to progress to that level, but thats not the issue.
What google is doing is similar to what allot of others are doing around the world and that is millitarized robotics.
The scary thing is that we do not need any new technology today to implement this, its only an engineering and design issue, we can already build gun carrying autonomous drones that only require orders to act on pre-programmed missions and tasks. No need for a drone operator.

To get the nightmare scenario we do not need human level intelligence , just ant level intelligent AI is more than enough and this is not too outrageous,


on the other hand the GO victory scares me half to death,
GO is not chess, you cannot brute force it and it needs more of a big picture approach than the methodological thinking several steps ahead approach.
GO needs more intuition , ive always been an average chess player and only because i used to play against very skilled chess players who always beat me very quickly.

my intelligence is more skewed to the artistic and musical side, and ive always been proud that i devastate
my chess champion friends and defeat them as easily as they defeat me when we play GO.

that a machine can do this is worrying.

I am at the opposite side of the spectrum, I am not worried that DeepMind is good at Go or painting or even dreaming because all these intelligence levels cannot go find a guerrilla fighter hiding in the mountains but if they make DeepMind agile it would not even need human level cognition to come after you that's why they have that spider in the video as well, they want to make a very agile military AI. Also what they're doing is very different than military robotics, remember they sold off their military robotics division Boston Dynamics because they could not make those robots agile so instead they are doing military AI that they could one day license to the Defense Department which will probably put it into its military robots. All these lies they are putting into the media about AI being for Healthcare and the improvement of human beings is bullshit, this is a military endeavour maskerating as an public good and you don't hear Elon and others raise that military usage of AI they only talk about some vague fear that people can't relate to and it's very disingenuous on their part.
Check out the video at 2:17 it says "Force perturbations applied to the torso" that's a kill shot simulation so Google is already teaching the AI to sustain combat injuries and continue to move towards the mission, this is all out in the open but they keep pretending AI is for economic improvements only.

[gurey25]

i see where you are going but you should be relieved that electronic warfare and countermeasures is also advancing.
With the hub hub and media circus around Graphene, what stood out for me was an experiment that achieved 40 tesla, this is ground breaking and its only a crude experiment.
What this means is that the commercialization of high quality graphene components will open up allot of possibilities for EW.
Imagine 20 years from now guerilla fighters in afghanistan or baghdad or some other place hunted by agile
drones that brush off AK-47 rounds and need RPG's or 20mm cannons to take down.
What they can do is build their own IED that can take out a city block area and all robots and other equipment in it with an EMP burst.

You can harden that stuff but it adds wieght and size, a fully hardened robot will be the size of an M1 abrams tank and cannot follow rebels into buildings and mountains or forests,

What will make this technology available to rebels will be the commercialization of the technology.
If that sounds crazy to you you should know that what allowed the Chinese and Russians to catch to the west in electronics and move from 20 years behind to just a few years behind right now was the Japanese.
Those fuckers advanced commercial of the shelf components and started puting them in TV, washing machines and telcom equipment. Components that are not too far from millitary ones and they saved those countries decades in RnD.

im pretty sure in the near future you can use components from everyday electronics and some nice amount of C4, 3d print some parts that require precision and take out an entire city block,worth of electrical and electronic equipment.

but thats at the crude level, in the future rebels will be able to buy second hand EW equipment, emp burst
grenades and mortars.

There are directed energy weapons that already exist that can fry electronics at range.
currently the russians are trialing a version of krakusha which is reported as jamming equipment but is probably much more.., this is large short ranged and vehicle borne.
In future you will get hand held equivalents that can be integrated into a platoon, like a sniper.

and ofcourse there is hacking, there will be a cyber war even within small scale engagements and i expect within 20 years even battalion level units will need a dedicated cyber warfare platoon.

Technology and war do not stand still, its always moving
this is what makes it so interesting.

[gurey25]

the same with todays small aerial drones, they are dropping taliban, and alshabab but are useless against regular army, but there is already technology today that make small insurgent units and special forces immunity against drones.
Western Millitaries do not invest in such low tech stuff because corporations cannot make profits , its too cheap.
Russians are already using in syria laptop sized radars that can detect snipers and mortars and are slaved to grenade launchers . You can easily use it to detect slow moving drones and slave it to you anti aircraft cannon. The same canon used ontop of technicals in Somalia.

in future expect this to be smaller and ubiquitous

[DaacasBiyo]

i see where you are going but you should be relieved that electronic warfare and countermeasures is also advancing.
With the hub hub and media circus around Graphene, what stood out for me was an experiment that achieved 40 tesla, this is ground breaking and its only a crude experiment.
What this means is that the commercialization of high quality graphene components will open up allot of possibilities for EW.
Imagine 20 years from now guerilla fighters in afghanistan or baghdad or some other place hunted by agile
drones that brush off AK-47 rounds and need RPG's or 20mm cannons to take down.
What they can do is build their own IED that can take out a city block area and all robots and other equipment in it with an EMP burst.

You can harden that stuff but it adds wieght and size, a fully hardened robot will be the size of an M1 abrams tank and cannot follow rebels into buildings and mountains or forests,

What will make this technology available to rebels will be the commercialization of the technology.
If that sounds crazy to you you should know that what allowed the Chinese and Russians to catch to the west in electronics and move from 20 years behind to just a few years behind right now was the Japanese.
Those fuckers advanced commercial of the shelf components and started puting them in TV, washing machines and telcom equipment. Components that are not too far from millitary ones and they saved those countries decades in RnD.

im pretty sure in the near future you can use components from everyday electronics and some nice amount of C4, 3d print some parts that require precision and take out an entire city block,worth of electrical and electronic equipment.

but thats at the crude level, in the future rebels will be able to buy second hand EW equipment, emp burst
grenades and mortars.

There are directed energy weapons that already exist that can fry electronics at range.
currently the russians are trialing a version of krakusha which is reported as jamming equipment but is probably much more.., this is large short ranged and vehicle borne.
In future you will get hand held equivalents that can be integrated into a platoon, like a sniper.

and ofcourse there is hacking, there will be a cyber war even within small scale engagements and i expect within 20 years even battalion level units will need a dedicated cyber warfare platoon.

Technology and war do not stand still, its always moving
this is what makes it so interesting.

You're too optimistic my friend. If Google sells its AI software to the Defense Dept, I doubt they'll put this advanced brain into some 20th century robot, they'll probably put it into some robot with synthetic body, they're already working on Synthetic biology, Craig Venter one of the first guys who sequenced human dna immediately switched afterwards to creating Synthetic life with its own synthetic dna. I'm telling you man them crackers are hell bent on keeping their world domination and the only country that they're afraid of is China because the Chinese are playing their game with no rules, they experiment on human cells and even on cloning humans and they're probably doing some other crazy shit in their labs.

[gurey25]

everything i mentioned is 10 to 30 years away from being mainstream, even used in your local police station.
The essential parts are already done, like polymer muscles , there are already 3 different materials that can be used right now.
biotechnology is not there yet, what you are describing is several decades away, even the science behind it is not understood, and allot of time spent on hard science is required.

but a mechanical body is only an engineering problem, and just requires money and manpower to be thrown at it.

you should be worried about biological warfare, the technology exist today to design your own world killing pandemic in your own room. The equipment needed has shrunk so much to fit into a bedroom.

[DaacasBiyo]

the same with todays small aerial drones, they are dropping taliban, and alshabab but are useless against regular army, but there is already technology today that make small insurgent units and special forces immunity against drones.
Western Millitaries do not invest in such low tech stuff because corporations cannot make profits , its too cheap.
Russians are already using in syria laptop sized radars that can detect snipers and mortars and are slaved to grenade launchers . You can easily use it to detect slow moving drones and slave it to you anti aircraft cannon. The same canon used ontop of technicals in Somalia.

in future expect this to be smaller and ubiquitous

They already miniaturized the drones and they can even take dna samples. I'm telling ya sxb, them crackers are doing advanced things in hiding.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/insectdrone.asp