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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby paperino » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:08 pm

Sure

But what about US bases? You really think they wouldn't be spared?
Sure, attacks would be expected; it would be factored into the equation, as there would be countermeasures to limit the effects. That isn't going to hold off the US and its allies, should they decide to attack Iran. And once the dust settles, and Iran is bombed to the Stone age, the overwhelming majority of casualties would be Iranians.

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby gurey25 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:20 pm

The latest patriot missiles are inadequate against Iranian ballistic missiles ,
and the US is far behind in air defense , for political reasons or just greed they did not invest enough in it
because fighter aircrafts and bombers and cruise missiles make more profit for corporations.

In contrast the Russians since the 1950's have invested heavily in air defense, infact its it own service,
there is Army , Navy, Airforce then there is Air defense and Air mobile.
The technology is the most advanced in the world and its one of the few areas Russia is actually ahead of the west.

If the Gulf arabs invested in 3 layers of Russian systems , S-300, Buk-m3 and Pantsir they can take care of nearly all Iranian missiles.

They are relying on less advanced patriot system, and the Aegis systems on frigates in the gulf,
it will not stop Iran from bombing them, and their infrastructure,

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby gegiroor » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:40 pm

Iranian missiles have no guidance. They recently launched some of their missiles at Deir Ezzor, Syria after IS fighters attached the Iranian parliament. Those missiles landed on empty land in the desert.

US can easily use their jamming technology to confuse and disrupt Iranian radars and air defenses, and then US and GCC air force could easily wipe out Iranian military installations - the same way they did against Libyan forces in 2011.

However, no attack is coming to Iran as it is an ally of the Freemasonry world, and cooperates with them fully against Sunni Muslims. All of the talk about sanctions and attack against Iran is all talk to satisfy some of the despotic and useless GCC leaders, but in reality the deep state in the West and Iranian establishment are Freemason brothers who would not go war against each other.

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby paperino » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:31 pm

Iranian missiles have no guidance. They recently launched some of their missiles at Deir Ezzor, Syria after IS fighters attached the Iranian parliament. Those missiles landed on empty land in the desert.

US can easily use their jamming technology to confuse and disrupt Iranian radars and air defenses, and then US and GCC air force could easily wipe out Iranian military installations - the same way they did against Libyan forces in 2011.

However, no attack is coming to Iran as it is an ally of the Freemasonry world, and cooperates with them fully against Sunni Muslims. All of the talk about sanctions and attack against Iran is all talk to satisfy some of the despotic and useless GCC leaders, but in reality the deep state in the West and Iranian establishment are Freemason brothers who would not go war against each other.
+1. The West perceives Sunnis as an existential threat, and for a good reason; centuries of Sunni domination, and able challengers. Shias are perceived as a useful tool and a 5th column against Sunnis (history proves that in the Safavids), not existential threat.

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby gurey25 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:18 am

So the sanctions were fake? they have retarded the development of IRan for nearly a decade and caused massive economic disruption.
The west perceives Islam as a threat yes, but they had over a hundred years to come up with a solution.
Look around you the Sunni world is pro-western, practically all the governments are intimately linked to the west. The pent up rage from the youth is not really a threat but a resource that can be put to use for the benefit of the west.
Just send all those youth into jihadist forces and point them towards the shia, they will be an escape valve and reduce tension in your loyal Sunni states and they will be fighting for your own objectives.

Clever really.

Iran has done 2 deadly sins, it is a revolutionary socialist state that has traditional values opposed to the godless decadent west, and it is a also a modern technologically advanced

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby gurey25 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:33 am

Iranian missiles have no guidance. They recently launched some of their missiles at Deir Ezzor, Syria after IS fighters attached the Iranian parliament. Those missiles landed on empty land in the desert.

US can easily use their jamming technology to confuse and disrupt Iranian radars and air defenses, and then US and GCC air force could easily wipe out Iranian military installations - the same way they did against Libyan forces in 2011.

However, no attack is coming to Iran as it is an ally of the Freemasonry world, and cooperates with them fully against Sunni Muslims. All of the talk about sanctions and attack against Iran is all talk to satisfy some of the despotic and useless GCC leaders, but in reality the deep state in the West and Iranian establishment are Freemason brothers who would not go war against each other.
Western observers , even isrealis were impressed with the accuracy of the zulfiqars,
didnt the iranians provide drone footage as well?, or do you only rely on the twitter feeds of your terrorist friends.

Your overestimation of US capabilities comes from looking at the wrong theatres , you cannot compare Libya to Iran or Iraq in 1990, both were dysfunctional and totally incompetent systems.
Iran is a revolutionary state and does not need coup proofing, and is not afraid of its own armed forces.
Look at hezbollah to see the level of training and professionalism, they were trained in Iran.
The vietnamese were another revolutionary force, and look at what they did with the same shoddy, downrated equipment as the arabs. They committed carnage on the US airforce.

So no Iran will not be an Iraq a libya or even Syria in the 80's,
they dont have to be greatly skilled to put up a good fight, they just have to be professional, and they are.
As i said earlier technology is not on the US side this time.

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby Basra- » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:01 am

So the sanctions were fake? they have retarded the development of IRan for nearly a decade and caused massive economic disruption.
The west perceives Islam as a threat yes, but they had over a hundred years to come up with a solution.
Look around you the Sunni world is pro-western, practically all the governments are intimately linked to the west. The pent up rage from the youth is not really a threat but a resource that can be put to use for the benefit of the west.
Just send all those youth into jihadist forces and point them towards the shia, they will be an escape valve and reduce tension in your loyal Sunni states and they will be fighting for your own objectives.

Clever really.

Iran has done 2 deadly sins, it is a revolutionary socialist state that has traditional values opposed to the godless decadent west, and it is a also a modern technologically advanced


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America is not "Godless" its a Judai Christian nation. Our mighty dollar says "In God we trust" for Gods sake! Do u see any muslim country where their currency acknowledges God? Nope. Allaahu Akbaar!

Lakuum dhinu ya kum. Christianity is a monotheist religion, of Abrahamic decent. They are better than the atheist destined to hell Europeans -that's for sure. :eat:

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby gegiroor » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:19 am

Iranian missiles have no guidance. They recently launched some of their missiles at Deir Ezzor, Syria after IS fighters attached the Iranian parliament. Those missiles landed on empty land in the desert.

US can easily use their jamming technology to confuse and disrupt Iranian radars and air defenses, and then US and GCC air force could easily wipe out Iranian military installations - the same way they did against Libyan forces in 2011.

However, no attack is coming to Iran as it is an ally of the Freemasonry world, and cooperates with them fully against Sunni Muslims. All of the talk about sanctions and attack against Iran is all talk to satisfy some of the despotic and useless GCC leaders, but in reality the deep state in the West and Iranian establishment are Freemason brothers who would not go war against each other.
+1. The West perceives Sunnis as an existential threat, and for a good reason; centuries of Sunni domination, and able challengers. Shias are perceived as a useful tool and a 5th column against Sunnis (history proves that in the Safavids), not existential threat.

Thanks brother Paperino. Man here don't have those historical facts on the Shia and their cooperation with the West throughout ages.

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby gegiroor » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:06 am

Iranian missiles have no guidance. They recently launched some of their missiles at Deir Ezzor, Syria after IS fighters attached the Iranian parliament. Those missiles landed on empty land in the desert.

US can easily use their jamming technology to confuse and disrupt Iranian radars and air defenses, and then US and GCC air force could easily wipe out Iranian military installations - the same way they did against Libyan forces in 2011.

However, no attack is coming to Iran as it is an ally of the Freemasonry world, and cooperates with them fully against Sunni Muslims. All of the talk about sanctions and attack against Iran is all talk to satisfy some of the despotic and useless GCC leaders, but in reality the deep state in the West and Iranian establishment are Freemason brothers who would not go war against each other.
Western observers , even isrealis were impressed with the accuracy of the zulfiqars,
didnt the iranians provide drone footage as well?, or do you only rely on the twitter feeds of your terrorist friends.

Your overestimation of US capabilities comes from looking at the wrong theatres , you cannot compare Libya to Iran or Iraq in 1990, both were dysfunctional and totally incompetent systems.
Iran is a revolutionary state and does not need coup proofing, and is not afraid of its own armed forces.
Look at hezbollah to see the level of training and professionalism, they were trained in Iran.
The vietnamese were another revolutionary force, and look at what they did with the same shoddy, downrated equipment as the arabs. The committed carnage on the US airforce.

So no Iran will not be an Iraq a libya or even Syria in the 80's,
they dont have to be greatly skilled to put up a good fight, they just have to be professional, and they are.
As i said earlier technology is not on the US side this time.


Iraqi Republican Guards were able to defeat the Shia you admired so much and had forced Ayatollah Khomeini to declare ceasefire and end of the war when his forces were wiped out in the Faw peninsula.

In the Libyan conflict in 2011, the Libyan armed forces put up a better fight and was able to keep the French and British fighter jets at bay. Through NATO, the British and French appealed for American help, and when America entered the conflict, they had suppressed the Libyan radar and air defenses.

The zulfiqar tank you're bragging about will be useless in a conflict with USA and GCC countries. If it comes down to a conflict, Allah willing, Iranian military installations could be easily wiped out by US and GCC countries unless Russia interferes on Iran's behalf. The only option they had was to go the North Korean route and go nuclear, but they didn't and they did because Obama gave them a deal.


What you learn from conspiracy websites and pass here as facts and reality are totally different. Iran, without the Russia, is a useless, third-rate state that can easily turn into a stone age by the Americans or GCC should conflict arise.

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby paperino » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:28 am

Thanks brother Paperino. Man here don't have those historical facts on the Shia and their cooperation with the West throughout ages.
Good job for exposing the true nature of Shias, and educating the kids (including Fah) who don't know much about their history. :up:

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

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Iraqi Republican Guards were able to defeat the Shia you admired so much and had forced Ayatollah Khomeini to declare ceasefire and end of the war when his forces were wiped out in the Faw peninsula.

In the Libyan conflict in 2011, the Libyan armed forces put up a better fight and was able to keep the French and British fighter jets at bay. Through NATO, the British and French appealed for American help, and when America entered the conflict, they had suppressed the Libyan radar and air defenses.

The zulfiqar tank you're bragging about will be useless in a conflict with USA and GCC countries. If it comes down to a conflict, Allah willing, Iranian military installations could be easily wiped out by US and GCC countries unless Russia interferes on Iran's behalf. The only option they had was to go the North Korean route and go nuclear, but they didn't and they did because Obama gave them a deal.


What you learn from conspiracy websites and pass here as facts and reality are totally different. Iran, without the Russia, is a useless, third-rate state that can easily turn into a stone age by the Americans or GCC should conflict arise.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Libya in 2011 didn't have the air defense that Iran in 2017 has.

If this was 2005, I'd say you're right.

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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

Postby gegiroor » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:48 am




Iraqi Republican Guards were able to defeat the Shia you admired so much and had forced Ayatollah Khomeini to declare ceasefire and end of the war when his forces were wiped out in the Faw peninsula.

In the Libyan conflict in 2011, the Libyan armed forces put up a better fight and was able to keep the French and British fighter jets at bay. Through NATO, the British and French appealed for American help, and when America entered the conflict, they had suppressed the Libyan radar and air defenses.

The zulfiqar tank you're bragging about will be useless in a conflict with USA and GCC countries. If it comes down to a conflict, Allah willing, Iranian military installations could be easily wiped out by US and GCC countries unless Russia interferes on Iran's behalf. The only option they had was to go the North Korean route and go nuclear, but they didn't and they did because Obama gave them a deal.


What you learn from conspiracy websites and pass here as facts and reality are totally different. Iran, without the Russia, is a useless, third-rate state that can easily turn into a stone age by the Americans or GCC should conflict arise.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Libya in 2011 didn't have the air defense that Iran in 2017 has.

If this was 2005, I'd say you're right.

The S-300 and BUK-M1 missiles that Russia sold them are the export version - that is already compromised. Both Israel and the Americans are already aware of its shortcomings, and American jamming technologies can easily render it useless.

You'll also need to check how the Chinese found out the shortcomings of these missiles after the PLA was able to jam them as well. To offset its shortcomings, the Chinese developed their own version and removed the S-300 from critical installations.

The Iranian Bavar-373 is all talk and useless. Nobody believes the Iranian-exaggerated news of being potent. These Sunni-hating, treacherous snake is all talk and their military installations are an easy target for a powerful adversary like the USA.

Their missiles have no guidance, their jamming technologies primitive, and their usefulness to the Freemasonry world will have an end date. The day that they (Freemasonries) no longer need the venomous snake known as Rafida is the day they'll dump it and level it.

Let us hope and pray that Allah will set the Freemasonries and Rafida against each other and they'll insha'Allah eliminate each other in the process.


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Re: Trump will decertify Iran's compliance to P5+1 Nuclear Deal while Iran continues to comply

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Trump is full of contradictions

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