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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby Adali » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:41 am



You Lost the argument when you resorted to mindless insults. Good job
Somali clan lineage vary between 10-30+ generation, at the end of each clan family they claim they are descendants from the prophets family.

the whole thing can be explained by looking at it this way, when Islam came to our shores, we started to memorise the Quraan, but also our lineage. We gave muslim names to our children perhaps even the scholars that taught the diin. Hence why we have memorised names like Jeberti Darood that are clearly arabic names, but these were probably the names of our ancestors scholars who taught them the diin and our ancestors either adopted the name themselves or named their children these names.

If you look at southern clans, they became muslim later due to migration of northern clans, they have much shorter lineages, even some northern clans have short lineages, I think this depends on when they become muslim and started to memorise their lineages.

So why would I speculate on something like this ?

During the time of Ahmed gurey, the largest army and the one he dependent on the most among Somali was Marehan, it is no coincidence that Marehan also has the longest lineage among Somalis to this day.

I know many won't admit it but there are some who cannot count more than 10 generation even if they consult their elders, which suggest to me they were recently converted to Islam :lol:
The founder of darood is descendant of a Saudi tribe yes or no? Explain why Wikipedia is wrong
First Wiki could be right or wrong, Jeberti clans exist not only in Somalia but in Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia, but it is very unlikely that the Jeberti in Somalia aka Darood and Arab Salah are descendants of Arabs, rather they were the first of Somalis to accept Islam and hence got the name of this Saudi cleric. It is very unlikely that one man, a foreigner can be the founder of such powerful and influential clan, especially since we do not speak his language.

In Sudan Arabs did invade with armies and they did actually have a foothold in Sudan, they never did that in Somalia or in Somali controlled land, the Egyptian tried to do that in Harar but were repelled, there is a reason why Somalis do not speak Arabic, we were never defeated by Arabs to begin with, we merely accepted Islam peacefully. One cleric can not found such a massive clan, it is only possible for a man who is already part of a Family and powerful network to do so, not a foreigner, do you know how far south Darood live ? if an Arab man had the power why did the Omani in Mogadishu not reach anywhere ? as I said Darood himself was probably part of a powerful local family but we do not know this because the clan system evolved from him :lol:

Now that is resolved, it is possible that we accepted Islam peacefully due to historic connection with the Prophets family during their move to Ethiopian empire at the time.

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Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby saraohyland » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:05 am

some of the hutu-court shura council names who changed their names to arabs. somalia needs somali nationalists not arab zerkhawi and osama imitators.
1. sheekh muqtaar roobow became abuu mansuur
deputy to indhocadde. deputy security & defence head of the hutu-courts
2. sheekh fu'aad maxamed became abuu c/raxmaan al-sokori
secretary of education of the hutu-courts.

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby Zoomalia4Kucks » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:35 am

No you idiot somali's don't come from Arabs. What's up with you doofarood bastards always booty clapping for Arabs? These dumb Zoomali's really think 1 Arab came and raped the whole population and made all you mfers? Really? Y'all can't be that dumb
Its on Wikipedia the founder of darood clan is descendant of a Saudi.

"A similar clan mythology exists for the Isaaq, who are said to have descended from one Sheikh Ishaq ibn Ahmad al-'Alawi, another Banu Hashim who came to Somalia around the same time.[1][8] As with Sheikh Isaaq, there are also numerous existing hagiologies in Arabic which describe Sheikh Darod's travels, works and overall life in northern Somalia, as well as his movements in Arabia before his arrival"

Whoever believes this bullshit is retarded. Zeila, Somaliland has one of the oldest masjids in the world that was completed shortly after the Hijra. Masjid Al- Qiblatayn. It was completed around the same time as Masjid Al - Qiblatayn in Media . The one in Medina was built in 623. The one in Zeila was built during the 7th century according to scholars so also somewhere in the 600-699 . They both have two mirahs one pointing to the old Qibla , Jerusalem, and the other pointed towards the current Qibla, Mecca. The masjid in Zeila contains the tomb of Sheikh Babu Dena .

When the prophet and the sahabah fled Mecca they sent a group including the prophets daughter and her husband to Caliph Uthman ibn Affan to Axum Empire in Ethiopia to seek refuge. It is speculated they passed through Zeila and some sahabah set up the mosque which ruins still stands today .

Islam came to North Somalia in the 7th century. We already had Shiekhs before Darood or Ishaaq. In fact Shiekh Darood came in the 10th or 11 century, that's 400-500 years after Islam first came to our shores .Shiekh Ishaaq came even later in the 13th century .

If anything both Shiekh Darood and Ishaaq came because they knew Somali's were some of the earliest people in the world to accept islam, and that they would be safe to start a new life in Somalia.

Our history with Islam didn't start with either of those two guys . We already had our own history and to answer your other question majority of us are NOT Arab.

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby UniQueen » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:50 pm

If you ain't Irir samaale you ain't Soomali!

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby original dervish » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:11 pm

You won't find too many folk queuing up for that. :scusthov:

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby brboss » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:43 pm



Somali clan lineage vary between 10-30+ generation, at the end of each clan family they claim they are descendants from the prophets family.

the whole thing can be explained by looking at it this way, when Islam came to our shores, we started to memorise the Quraan, but also our lineage. We gave muslim names to our children perhaps even the scholars that taught the diin. Hence why we have memorised names like Jeberti Darood that are clearly arabic names, but these were probably the names of our ancestors scholars who taught them the diin and our ancestors either adopted the name themselves or named their children these names.

If you look at southern clans, they became muslim later due to migration of northern clans, they have much shorter lineages, even some northern clans have short lineages, I think this depends on when they become muslim and started to memorise their lineages.

So why would I speculate on something like this ?

During the time of Ahmed gurey, the largest army and the one he dependent on the most among Somali was Marehan, it is no coincidence that Marehan also has the longest lineage among Somalis to this day.

I know many won't admit it but there are some who cannot count more than 10 generation even if they consult their elders, which suggest to me they were recently converted to Islam :lol:
The founder of darood is descendant of a Saudi tribe yes or no? Explain why Wikipedia is wrong
First Wiki could be right or wrong, Jeberti clans exist not only in Somalia but in Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia, but it is very unlikely that the Jeberti in Somalia aka Darood and Arab Salah are descendants of Arabs, rather they were the first of Somalis to accept Islam and hence got the name of this Saudi cleric. It is very unlikely that one man, a foreigner can be the founder of such powerful and influential clan, especially since we do not speak his language.

In Sudan Arabs did invade with armies and they did actually have a foothold in Sudan, they never did that in Somalia or in Somali controlled land, the Egyptian tried to do that in Harar but were repelled, there is a reason why Somalis do not speak Arabic, we were never defeated by Arabs to begin with, we merely accepted Islam peacefully. One cleric can not found such a massive clan, it is only possible for a man who is already part of a Family and powerful network to do so, not a foreigner, do you know how far south Darood live ? if an Arab man had the power why did the Omani in Mogadishu not reach anywhere ? as I said Darood himself was probably part of a powerful local family but we do not know this because the clan system evolved from him :lol:

Now that is resolved, it is possible that we accepted Islam peacefully due to historic connection with the Prophets family during their move to Ethiopian empire at the time.
Ok thank u for the info. But how come alot of genetic test show somalis to have high percentage of Arab DNA ancestry like the video above. It can't be a mere coincidence were mixed with Saudi sxb

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby brboss » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:57 pm

No you idiot somali's don't come from Arabs. What's up with you doofarood bastards always booty clapping for Arabs? These dumb Zoomali's really think 1 Arab came and raped the whole population and made all you mfers? Really? Y'all can't be that dumb
Its on Wikipedia the founder of darood clan is descendant of a Saudi.

"A similar clan mythology exists for the Isaaq, who are said to have descended from one Sheikh Ishaq ibn Ahmad al-'Alawi, another Banu Hashim who came to Somalia around the same time.[1][8] As with Sheikh Isaaq, there are also numerous existing hagiologies in Arabic which describe Sheikh Darod's travels, works and overall life in northern Somalia, as well as his movements in Arabia before his arrival"

Whoever believes this bullshit is retarded. Zeila, Somaliland has one of the oldest masjids in the world that was completed shortly after the Hijra. Masjid Al- Qiblatayn. It was completed around the same time as Masjid Al - Qiblatayn in Media . The one in Medina was built in 623. The one in Zeila was built during the 7th century according to scholars so also somewhere in the 600-699 . They both have two mirahs one pointing to the old Qibla , Jerusalem, and the other pointed towards the current Qibla, Mecca. The masjid in Zeila contains the tomb of Sheikh Babu Dena .

When the prophet and the sahabah fled Mecca they sent a group including the prophets daughter and her husband to Caliph Uthman ibn Affan to Axum Empire in Ethiopia to seek refuge. It is speculated they passed through Zeila and some sahabah set up the mosque which ruins still stands today .

Islam came to North Somalia in the 7th century. We already had Shiekhs before Darood or Ishaaq. In fact Shiekh Darood came in the 10th or 11 century, that's 400-500 years after Islam first came to our shores .Shiekh Ishaaq came even later in the 13th century .

If anything both Shiekh Darood and Ishaaq came because they knew Somali's were some of the earliest people in the world to accept islam, and that they would be safe to start a new life in Somalia.

Our history with Islam didn't start with either of those two guys . We already had our own history and to answer your other question majority of us are NOT Arab.
DNA test prove otherwise somalis have high percentage of Arab mixture.

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby Zoomalia4Kucks » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:14 pm



Its on Wikipedia the founder of darood clan is descendant of a Saudi.

"A similar clan mythology exists for the Isaaq, who are said to have descended from one Sheikh Ishaq ibn Ahmad al-'Alawi, another Banu Hashim who came to Somalia around the same time.[1][8] As with Sheikh Isaaq, there are also numerous existing hagiologies in Arabic which describe Sheikh Darod's travels, works and overall life in northern Somalia, as well as his movements in Arabia before his arrival"

Whoever believes this bullshit is retarded. Zeila, Somaliland has one of the oldest masjids in the world that was completed shortly after the Hijra. Masjid Al- Qiblatayn. It was completed around the same time as Masjid Al - Qiblatayn in Media . The one in Medina was built in 623. The one in Zeila was built during the 7th century according to scholars so also somewhere in the 600-699 . They both have two mirahs one pointing to the old Qibla , Jerusalem, and the other pointed towards the current Qibla, Mecca. The masjid in Zeila contains the tomb of Sheikh Babu Dena .

When the prophet and the sahabah fled Mecca they sent a group including the prophets daughter and her husband to Caliph Uthman ibn Affan to Axum Empire in Ethiopia to seek refuge. It is speculated they passed through Zeila and some sahabah set up the mosque which ruins still stands today .

Islam came to North Somalia in the 7th century. We already had Shiekhs before Darood or Ishaaq. In fact Shiekh Darood came in the 10th or 11 century, that's 400-500 years after Islam first came to our shores .Shiekh Ishaaq came even later in the 13th century .

If anything both Shiekh Darood and Ishaaq came because they knew Somali's were some of the earliest people in the world to accept islam, and that they would be safe to start a new life in Somalia.

Our history with Islam didn't start with either of those two guys . We already had our own history and to answer your other question majority of us are NOT Arab.
DNA test prove otherwise somalis have high percentage of Arab mixture.
That's completely not true and this study wasn't done on every Somali


"Somalis, along with most of their fellow related Northeast African ethnicities like the Afar, Beja, and Oromo, are what I believe what early humans may have looked like, and that their unique and unordinary combination of aquiline features and dark skin is not a result of mixing or miscegenation of any sort. Rather to the contrary, Somalis are indeed very homogenous, not just culturally and phenotypically, but also genetically."



Quote: "And if Somalis were indeed a mix of "black" Africans (race being a social construct, but you get meaning) and, say, a "caucasian/white" non-African group, would they not then look like the mixed-heritage Swahili peoples that live just south of them? would they not physically resemble other Afro-Arab or mixed black/white populations? yet they do not. This is yet still ignoring the plethora of other evidences that point and suggest otherwise. Another similar piece of evidence are the neighboring Christian Ethio-Semitic groups, who are themselves the descendants of an Arabian population mixing with a indigenous Cushitic population. Even Ethio-Semitic (or Habesha) persons, for the most part, are easily discernable from the Somalis. "

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby brboss » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:41 pm




Whoever believes this bullshit is retarded. Zeila, Somaliland has one of the oldest masjids in the world that was completed shortly after the Hijra. Masjid Al- Qiblatayn. It was completed around the same time as Masjid Al - Qiblatayn in Media . The one in Medina was built in 623. The one in Zeila was built during the 7th century according to scholars so also somewhere in the 600-699 . They both have two mirahs one pointing to the old Qibla , Jerusalem, and the other pointed towards the current Qibla, Mecca. The masjid in Zeila contains the tomb of Sheikh Babu Dena .

When the prophet and the sahabah fled Mecca they sent a group including the prophets daughter and her husband to Caliph Uthman ibn Affan to Axum Empire in Ethiopia to seek refuge. It is speculated they passed through Zeila and some sahabah set up the mosque which ruins still stands today .

Islam came to North Somalia in the 7th century. We already had Shiekhs before Darood or Ishaaq. In fact Shiekh Darood came in the 10th or 11 century, that's 400-500 years after Islam first came to our shores .Shiekh Ishaaq came even later in the 13th century .

If anything both Shiekh Darood and Ishaaq came because they knew Somali's were some of the earliest people in the world to accept islam, and that they would be safe to start a new life in Somalia.

Our history with Islam didn't start with either of those two guys . We already had our own history and to answer your other question majority of us are NOT Arab.
DNA test prove otherwise somalis have high percentage of Arab mixture.
That's completely not true and this study wasn't done on every Somali


"Somalis, along with most of their fellow related Northeast African ethnicities like the Afar, Beja, and Oromo, are what I believe what early humans may have looked like, and that their unique and unordinary combination of aquiline features and dark skin is not a result of mixing or miscegenation of any sort. Rather to the contrary, Somalis are indeed very homogenous, not just culturally and phenotypically, but also genetically."



Quote: "And if Somalis were indeed a mix of "black" Africans (race being a social construct, but you get meaning) and, say, a "caucasian/white" non-African group, would they not then look like the mixed-heritage Swahili peoples that live just south of them? would they not physically resemble other Afro-Arab or mixed black/white populations? yet they do not. This is yet still ignoring the plethora of other evidences that point and suggest otherwise. Another similar piece of evidence are the neighboring Christian Ethio-Semitic groups, who are themselves the descendants of an Arabian population mixing with a indigenous Cushitic population. Even Ethio-Semitic (or Habesha) persons, for the most part, are easily discernable from the Somalis. "
I'm sorry you've shown no evidence. Wikipedia and numerous genetic test reveal high Arab admixture within the Somali people,maybe not all but most. You can't dismiss that... Unless you somehow prove these genetic tests are wrong. Until then my point stands.

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby Zoomalia4Kucks » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:43 pm



DNA test prove otherwise somalis have high percentage of Arab mixture.
That's completely not true and this study wasn't done on every Somali


"Somalis, along with most of their fellow related Northeast African ethnicities like the Afar, Beja, and Oromo, are what I believe what early humans may have looked like, and that their unique and unordinary combination of aquiline features and dark skin is not a result of mixing or miscegenation of any sort. Rather to the contrary, Somalis are indeed very homogenous, not just culturally and phenotypically, but also genetically."



Quote: "And if Somalis were indeed a mix of "black" Africans (race being a social construct, but you get meaning) and, say, a "caucasian/white" non-African group, would they not then look like the mixed-heritage Swahili peoples that live just south of them? would they not physically resemble other Afro-Arab or mixed black/white populations? yet they do not. This is yet still ignoring the plethora of other evidences that point and suggest otherwise. Another similar piece of evidence are the neighboring Christian Ethio-Semitic groups, who are themselves the descendants of an Arabian population mixing with a indigenous Cushitic population. Even Ethio-Semitic (or Habesha) persons, for the most part, are easily discernable from the Somalis. "
I'm sorry you've shown no evidence. Wikipedia and numerous genetic test reveal high Arab admixture within the Somali people,maybe not all but most. You can't dismiss that... Unless you somehow prove these genetic tests are wrong. Until then my point stands.
When your two sources are Wikipedia and YouTube , you have lost my friend

Somalis and other Cushetic groups have very little Eurasian ancestory including Arabs. However many Arabs and most Eastern Europeans especially Greeks carry our DNA, so essentially they look like us rather than the other way round as many people like to twist it.

Do you realise that scientists no longer accept outdated terminology such as caucasiod, negriod and mongoliod. Infact outdated theories such as that of Cartlon coon claimed that East Africans were caucasiod people with dark skin, such as the Somalis, when infact they are native black Africans adapted to their environment. Essentially the ancient Egyptians were similar to Horn Africans which is where they came from.

Before the Bantu's raped the rest of Africa and completely changed the makeup of Africa. Before the Arabs changed the makeup of north africa there lived many different types of Africans . Somali's are just another type of African that was able to resist Bantu mixture and arab mixture for the most part, even though some somali's have mixed with Bantu's or Arabs the percentages are still very low to the number of homogenous somali's

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby GIJaamac » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:01 pm

Nope. According to dna results you somali lamagoodles have nothing to do with arabs, You are two different races. Both of you are inferior type of your races. I know you feel inferior to arabs, the most looked down upon race in the world. But please stop embarrassing yourself like this for the thousandth time.

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby brboss » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:11 am



That's completely not true and this study wasn't done on every Somali


"Somalis, along with most of their fellow related Northeast African ethnicities like the Afar, Beja, and Oromo, are what I believe what early humans may have looked like, and that their unique and unordinary combination of aquiline features and dark skin is not a result of mixing or miscegenation of any sort. Rather to the contrary, Somalis are indeed very homogenous, not just culturally and phenotypically, but also genetically."



Quote: "And if Somalis were indeed a mix of "black" Africans (race being a social construct, but you get meaning) and, say, a "caucasian/white" non-African group, would they not then look like the mixed-heritage Swahili peoples that live just south of them? would they not physically resemble other Afro-Arab or mixed black/white populations? yet they do not. This is yet still ignoring the plethora of other evidences that point and suggest otherwise. Another similar piece of evidence are the neighboring Christian Ethio-Semitic groups, who are themselves the descendants of an Arabian population mixing with a indigenous Cushitic population. Even Ethio-Semitic (or Habesha) persons, for the most part, are easily discernable from the Somalis. "
I'm sorry you've shown no evidence. Wikipedia and numerous genetic test reveal high Arab admixture within the Somali people,maybe not all but most. You can't dismiss that... Unless you somehow prove these genetic tests are wrong. Until then my point stands.
When your two sources are Wikipedia and YouTube , you have lost my friend

Somalis and other Cushetic groups have very little Eurasian ancestory including Arabs. However many Arabs and most Eastern Europeans especially Greeks carry our DNA, so essentially they look like us rather than the other way round as many people like to twist it.

Do you realise that scientists no longer accept outdated terminology such as caucasiod, negriod and mongoliod. Infact outdated theories such as that of Cartlon coon claimed that East Africans were caucasiod people with dark skin, such as the Somalis, when infact they are native black Africans adapted to their environment. Essentially the ancient Egyptians were similar to Horn Africans which is where they came from.

Before the Bantu's raped the rest of Africa and completely changed the makeup of Africa. Before the Arabs changed the makeup of north africa there lived many different types of Africans . Somali's are just another type of African that was able to resist Bantu mixture and arab mixture for the most part, even though some somali's have mixed with Bantu's or Arabs the percentages are still very low to the number of homogenous somali's
You say my sources are a joke but you still haven't disproven me or given me proof that the majority of somalis don't have Arab DNA. Yet every Somali taking genetic test show high percentage of Arab DNA. Again you still haven't provided sources that say the founder of darood is not a descendant of a Saudi tribe. Prove me wrong or don't reply thanks.
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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby brboss » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:11 am

Nope. According to dna results you somali lamagoodles have nothing to do with arabs, You are two different races. Both of you are inferior type of your races. I know you feel inferior to arabs, the most looked down upon race in the world. But please stop embarrassing yourself like this for the thousandth time.
"I know you feel inferior to Arabs" Nope. I'm after the truth and that's all there is to it. Leave this thread I'd you ain't trying to disprove me.

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby Zoomalia4Kucks » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:34 am



I'm sorry you've shown no evidence. Wikipedia and numerous genetic test reveal high Arab admixture within the Somali people,maybe not all but most. You can't dismiss that... Unless you somehow prove these genetic tests are wrong. Until then my point stands.
When your two sources are Wikipedia and YouTube , you have lost my friend

Somalis and other Cushetic groups have very little Eurasian ancestory including Arabs. However many Arabs and most Eastern Europeans especially Greeks carry our DNA, so essentially they look like us rather than the other way round as many people like to twist it.

Do you realise that scientists no longer accept outdated terminology such as caucasiod, negriod and mongoliod. Infact outdated theories such as that of Cartlon coon claimed that East Africans were caucasiod people with dark skin, such as the Somalis, when infact they are native black Africans adapted to their environment. Essentially the ancient Egyptians were similar to Horn Africans which is where they came from.

Before the Bantu's raped the rest of Africa and completely changed the makeup of Africa. Before the Arabs changed the makeup of north africa there lived many different types of Africans . Somali's are just another type of African that was able to resist Bantu mixture and arab mixture for the most part, even though some somali's have mixed with Bantu's or Arabs the percentages are still very low to the number of homogenous somali's
You say my sources are a joke but you still haven't disproven me or given me proof that the majority of somalis don't have Arab DNA. Yet every Somali taking genetic test show high percentage or Arab DNA. Again you still haven't provided sources that say the founder of darood is not a descendant of a Saudi tribe. Prove me wrong or don't reply thanks.
You haven't provided credible proof that all somali's are part arab. It's simply not sure. You're the one making the claim so the burden of proof is on you , not me. So far you have used Wikipedia and YouTube as sources, those aren't sources. You will never see a scientist cite Wikipedia or YouTube as source so you shouldn't either dummy. I never said the founder of Darood isn't Arab. I'm saying Darood wasn't the first sheikh in Somalia, and his descendents weren't the first somali's to accept islam as you doofarood bastards like to claim. Masjid Qiblitayn in Zeila, Somaliland was built in 7th century. It contains the tomb of Shiekh Babu Dena. Darood came in the 11th century. That's around 400-500 years after Islam came to Somali shores.

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Re: Somalis come from Arabs is it true?

Postby brboss » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:46 am

So you accept darood is a descendant of Saudi tribe meaning darood is half dir half Saudi, if this is the case all darood have Saudi in them. Also Wikipedia cites actual literature. Anyway this somali woman took a genetic test also shows high Arab mixture. Explain to me every Somali taking these end up having Arab mix in them?






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