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Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

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Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby samirir » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:21 am

In real life a lot of Somalis claim that we are our own people. But on wikipedia and these weird Somali forums they always claim Arab or partly Arab. Habesha don't ever claim to be mixed even though a lot of them look mixed and very light skinned. But then you see charcoal looking Somalis claiming part Arab it's usually the youngsters raised in diaspora, the ones who can't even speak Somali and wear cilmamad and call each other akhi.... and girls with low self esteem who dream about marrying an Arab dude. Not judging but you could see they have affinity towards Arabs so they would say anything to be considered among them. Anyway, I'm actually curious on how Islam came to Somalia. In all honesty there's no written history on how Somalis were before the 1800s. Which caliphate were we under? Umayyad Caliphate, Abbassinid caliphate or before? Where we the Habeshas who turned Muslim? There's so many questions that are unanswered when it comes to our history. There's no proof we were either the habesha who turned Muslim or if one of the Prophets(Saw) descendants came and mixed with the local women and brought Islam. No evidence whatsoever. So I want us as Somalis to look into this objectively.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby PrinceNugaalHawd » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:37 am

They are all cushites closely related to the Oromo, Rendille, Canfar, etc, Habasha are a Semitic People they have Arab & Jewish blood, We have DNA in this era there is no Somali with Arab blood, except for a minority of people.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby samirir » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:47 am

They are all cushites closely related to the Oromo, Rendille, Canfar, etc, Habasha are a Semitic People they have Arab & Jewish blood, We have DNA in this era there is no Somali with Arab blood, except for a minority of people.
Habesha are not mixed with Arabs or Jews. They never even claim it. Why are you making stuff up? Language has nothing to do with someone's lineage. Iranians speak Indo-European but a lot of them have Arab DNA and even if they dont they're still closely related and have the same DNA.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby PrinceNugaalHawd » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:53 am

I saw their DNA results some had 45-50% Arab in them, Plus they where ruled from Yemen at the time of Sheba, and they were also in Yemen and even attacked as far as Mecca. So It’s possible there was a lot of mixture.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby AwRastaale » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:00 am

Arab lineage doesn’t exist it’s just an old way of saying we are Muslims.

Back in the early days ethicity, ancestry and nationality were pretty unknown or very different from today’s understanding.

When our forefathers pledged their allegiance with Arabia, it was simply the way to say we are Muslims in those days.

Even in middle ages the term Muslims was little known and you were either Mohamoddins, Arabs or something along those lines.

It’s the same with the term Amhara. Any Christian even if Oromo was simply Amhara or in our case amxaar.

So Somalis misunderstood.

We are no Arabs it was simply religious allegiance.

We are no different than Oromo, Afar and the rest of the Horn people.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby samirir » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:05 am

Arab lineage doesn’t exist it’s just an old way of saying we are Muslims.

Back in the early days ethicity, ancestry and nationality were pretty unknown or very different from today’s understanding.

When our forefathers pledged their allegiance with Arabia, it was simply the way to say we are Muslims in those days.

Even in middle ages the term Muslims was little known and you were either Mohamoddins, Arabs or something along those lines.

It’s the same with the term Amhara. Any Christian even if Oromo was simply Amhara or in our case amxaar.

So Somalis misunderstood.

We are no Arabs it was simply religious allegiance.

We are no different than Oromo, Afar and the rest of the Horn people.
You make a lot of sense. Somalis didn't have knowledge about Islam like we do now.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby samirir » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:16 am

I saw their DNA results some had 45-50% Arab in them, Plus they where ruled from Yemen at the time of Sheba, and they were also in Yemen and even attacked as far as Mecca. So It’s possible there was a lot of mixture.
That's fake because these genealogist have some sort of anti-African bias and aren't open to the idea that we have a lot of diversity in Africa. For example a South Sudanese looks different from a Kenyan or Tanzanian both are listed as East Africa Bantu. There's only 3 types of African DNA according to them East African Bantu, West African and Hunter Gatherer. But Europeans have many.... even Ashkenazi Jews have their own DNA. How can that be? You gotta ask questions and not just be a dhaadhaan who accepts everything fed to him. How can Italians and Spaniards not be mixed if they have a history of mixing with Arabs some even look full Arab. Something doesn't add up.

Let me use Ashkenazi Jew as an example. Wtf is an ashkenazi Jew? Arent Jews supposed to be middle Eastern? It would make sense if Ashkenazis were partly middle Eastern and partly European but NO they have their own DNA. How does that make sense?

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby dffzr » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:27 am

Arab lineage doesn’t exist it’s just an old way of saying we are Muslims.

Back in the early days ethicity, ancestry and nationality were pretty unknown or very different from today’s understanding.

When our forefathers pledged their allegiance with Arabia, it was simply the way to say we are Muslims in those days.

Even in middle ages the term Muslims was little known and you were either Mohamoddins, Arabs or something along those lines.

It’s the same with the term Amhara. Any Christian even if Oromo was simply Amhara or in our case amxaar.

So Somalis misunderstood.

We are no Arabs it was simply religious allegiance.

We are no different than Oromo, Afar and the rest of the Horn people.
The only main Somali tribe I know of that claims Arab lineage is the Darood. Somalis are a separate ppl, we're not related to Oromos, well at least not recently. They became Muslim through the Conquest of Abyssinia which involved Somalis. Also, Somalis became Muslim before most 'Arab' lands. Arabs arent an ethnicity, so DNA means nothing to prove Arabness. Most Arabs today were Arabized by the Spread of Islam.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby Khalid Ali » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:44 pm

What I know is we Isaaq are descendant of sheikh isxaaq ibn axmed al ridawi. Who was from asmara ciraaq. Does that make us Arabs today perhaps not we are somalisized culturally socially . And mixed with other Somali groups.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby KingMX » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:59 pm

Somalilanders probably have a bit or Arab admixture due to their close location to the Arab peninsula. The south definitely not tho.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby bakooradBoy » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:35 pm

The only way to settle this Arab lineage confusion is for Dir to become their own Ethnic group, they are Samaale not Somalis, they inhabit all five territories, they intermarry with other ethnic groups, they speak many non-Somali languages, they have more indigenous cultures and many don't identify with Somalis so they should separate and become their own ethnic group and seek UN recognition for it. People who want to claim African ancestry can join the Dir ethnic group and those who want to claim Arab ancestry can join the Somali ethnic group. Simple as that, everyone will be happy, no more Dir iyo Darood bs with people claiming Arab ancestry hiding in both sides.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby samirir » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:02 am

What I know is we Isaaq are descendant of sheikh isxaaq ibn axmed al ridawi. Who was from asmara ciraaq. Does that make us Arabs today perhaps not we are somalisized culturally socially . And mixed with other Somali groups.
You need to be slapped for making up lies like that. There's no Isaaq Ridawi in Arab history books he's a fictional character made up by Somalis.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby samirir » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:05 am

The only way to settle this Arab lineage confusion is for Dir to become their own Ethnic group, they are Samaale not Somalis, they inhabit all five territories, they intermarry with other ethnic groups, they speak many non-Somali languages, they have more indigenous cultures and many don't identify with Somalis so they should separate and become their own ethnic group and seek UN recognition for it. People who want to claim African ancestry can join the Dir ethnic group and those who want to claim Arab ancestry can join the Somali ethnic group. Simple as that, everyone will be happy, no more Dir iyo Darood bs with people claiming Arab ancestry hiding in both sides.
Somalis are not Arabs. I mean who would be proud of believing his great great grandma was a Bantu jungle women and got raped by some dirty Arab slave trader. Lol.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby bakooradBoy » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:03 am

The only way to settle this Arab lineage confusion is for Dir to become their own Ethnic group, they are Samaale not Somalis, they inhabit all five territories, they intermarry with other ethnic groups, they speak many non-Somali languages, they have more indigenous cultures and many don't identify with Somalis so they should separate and become their own ethnic group and seek UN recognition for it. People who want to claim African ancestry can join the Dir ethnic group and those who want to claim Arab ancestry can join the Somali ethnic group. Simple as that, everyone will be happy, no more Dir iyo Darood bs with people claiming Arab ancestry hiding in both sides.
Somalis are not Arabs. I mean who would be proud of believing his great great grandma was a Bantu jungle women and got raped by some dirty Arab slave trader. Lol.
Somalis will claim Arab ancestry as long as Arabs exist on the planet and you will not convince people with dna, even dna corporations say Somalis are Arabs because Somalis claim them. In my opinion the best is to separate those who claim it and those who don't, so you will have the ethnic group called Somalis who claim Arab ancestry and the Dir ethnic group because the name Samaale might be confusing, it's just my 2 cents.

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Re: Why do Somali tribes claim Arab lineage? Do we have any recorded history?

Postby Khalid Ali » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:17 am

What I know is we Isaaq are descendant of sheikh isxaaq ibn axmed al ridawi. Who was from asmara ciraaq. Does that make us Arabs today perhaps not we are somalisized culturally socially . And mixed with other Somali groups.
You need to be slapped for making up lies like that. There's no Isaaq Ridawi in Arab history books he's a fictional character made up by Somalis.

Takalam carabi yaa ibn Aswad.
Go read some book about our patriarch sheikh isxaaq ibn axmed you will find his biography in all Arab libraries
Just because your filthy darood jabarti is garac fatherless oromo galla doesn't mean we isaaq are.


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