Good Bye Jowhar, Hello Mogadishu

[fagash_killer]

bad news comong these who we are talking about are warlords ina yeey and the rest of the moryaan warlords are the ones who kept this countrie in hostage for the last 15 years so how u guys say good news yeah u can say lets hope but really i dont got any hope in this tigre dowlad i know fo sure now this happend and the dowlad are united they will sell somalia to ethopia since ina yeey will maybe go to xamar he will be killed and once again cival war the peacetalks is just f-king bullshit shariif cant say shit aslong their millities arent even disarmed their are alot moryaans who are walking true the streets of xamar and i dont think they wont bowdown for this new tigre lacker so u can say their will be an cival war in xamar and and will reach all over somalia accept somaliland and once again ethopia sucdeed

[fagash_killer]

bad news comong these who we are talking about are warlords ina yeey and the rest of the moryaan warlords are the ones who kept this countrie in hostage for the last 15 years so how u guys say good news yeah u can say lets hope but really i dont got any hope in this tigre dowlad i know fo sure now this happend and the dowlad are united they will sell somalia to ethopia since ina yeey will maybe go to xamar he will be killed and once again cival war the peacetalks is just f-king bullshit shariif cant say shit aslong their millities arent even disarmed their are alot moryaans who are walking true the streets of xamar and i dont think they wont bowdown for this new tigre lacker so u can say their will be an cival war in xamar and and will reach all over somalia accept somaliland and once again ethopia sucdeed

[Sir-Luggoyo]

[quote="Af_libaax"]:x Sil-lugooyo

Mogadishu will always be the capital of Somalia ,but ONE thing is changed forever any Faqash CitiZen who comes to Mogadishu should earn and Work hard for their livelihood , Hawiye changed the word Somalinimo to No more BOOLI QARAN , Listen INA KUNTE KINTE KOOMBO KABLALAX , You will not survive NOMORE in Mogadishu NEPOTISM The Only thing Way OUT for Faqash is hard Work

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Af-Libaax,

You are really a comedian. Look at this scenario that took place in Mogadishu.

The Mogadishu group conducted a meeting to cleanse the city of the Moryaans, isbaaro and prepare it for international observers, to convince them the safety and divert the blame to the Jowhar group. In the meeting, after a lengthy discussion, some Daarood and Isaaqs suggested that every warlord should lift their isbaaro, guess what Muuse Talaxow Falaxow said " Arreey hee beesadii iga soo galaysay isbaarada meel ha la saaro. Tan jidka Afgooye waxaa iga soo gali jirta 2,000,000 and he mentioned other locations that his moryaans rob the poor Somalis and claimed, unless lacagahaas la siiyo, wax isbaaro ah oo la qaadayo ma jirto" That is the mentality of the future MP and Wasiir for Somalia.

[fagash_killer]

sir if u know that their could come peace than please dont use tribalism

lets just wait and see what happends

[Mowhawk]

I will pray that these warlords would realize that they have been enslaving their own people for too long. Even the oppressed Palestinians live in a better environment, and are dealt with dignity compared to the average Somali in Somalia. May the oppression of Somali people by Somali warlords end soon. Peace for Somalia in 2006 .

Aamiin.

[Caydid]

Mowhawk
May Allah bring an everlasting peace to somalia. But I think that would never happen in our lifespan. Just look at the amount of hatred in these forums. Many of these somalis don't live in somalia. Yet they portray hatred every day. Despite education the clan is the first thing they associate with.


Sir Lug. Hawiye is one the four major clans in somalia ( I think only the Digil and Mirifle are bigger). There are some bad hawiyes but the majority is like any other somali. Hawiyes are not the problem in somalia. It is the our stupid culture. We forgot the basics of our religion. To love and judge people individually.

Somalia's problem is one of history. From independence to today somalis have not understand how governments are run. A government is according to somalis a business. And if you look carefully many of the governments (dicatorships, corruption) were not done by Hawiye leaders.
Don't be fooled by tribal fabrications that apart from Mogadishu every other part in somalia is doing well. This is not true. Somalia as a nation is burning. Tribalism is used by a few to further personal goals. Mudug, Galgadud, the jubbas, Hiiraan, the shabeeles, Nugaal, Boosaaso, Gedo, Bay and Bakool are ruled by warlords,warmongers and hateful individuals.

I live in Mogadishu and I am not a hawiye but there are tremendous progress that is not reported. It seems that the somali media reports on the negativity in mogadishu. We (somalis in mogadishu) have made progress in education (many universities), business and have reconciled. It is not unusual to see many daroods, isaaqs and rahaweyns thrive in mogadishu.

[SomaliLight]

[quote]I live in Mogadishu and I am not a hawiye but there are tremendous progress that is not reported. It seems that the somali media reports on the negativity in mogadishu. We (somalis in mogadishu) have made progress in education (many universities), business and have reconciled. It is not unusual to see many daroods, isaaqs and rahaweyns thrive in mogadishu.[/quote]

Caydid, walal, I wish all somalis were as understanding as you.

[Caydid]

Somalilight, before I came to Mogadishu (8 months ago from the west) I also believed that Mogadishu is a dangerous place with Hawiye gangs harassing people, and where there was misery. Indeed Mogadishu is not a safe city like Zurich or a village in Norway or canada. But it safer than many american and european cities. Some parts of mogadishu are very safe that no one would rob you.

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Caydiid,



You sound like a dreamer may Allah the Almighty realize your dream, but the fact of the matter is not a telltale that could be twisted to the likings of the individual. Every fool knows that the word peace is not synonimous with Mogadishu, the barbarity of the current Mogadishu inhabitants has no proportion and parallel, it's unheard of in the modern civilized world and no matter how much you sugar coat it, we all know the bitter truth, but still, you can keep on dreaming

[Caydid]

Sir,

Odey there are two kinds of people 1) people who see only the negative side of things 2) People who have open minds and judge things from different angels.

In the case of mogadishu- there is alot of negativity going on. People have still the slaughters in the nineties.on their minds Anything short of returning to the pre-90s situation is nothing. There is a big propaganda machine on what is happening.

I do live in Mogadishu and as far as I am concerned I am better informed on the situation in somalia than for instance someone who lives in the USA. The reality is that mogadishu is governed by several communities. Religious, economic groups, warlords and tribalists. There are some warlords (I prefer tribal chiefs) whose positition of power is sustained around tribal rehtorics. But they excercise less power in mogadishu than one might think. The real people with powers are businessmen and religious leaders.

I have been to several regions of somalia and the situation is the same. Mogadishu is home to one in every 3 somali-and as such you expect the crime rates to surge.

But gone are the days when someone is targeted for belonging to one tribe. Gone is the day when Darods were banished. Today Bakarah market is a place where there are more daroods than in the darood inhabited towns. If you refrain from street tribalism, go to the local mosque and avoid economic theftry you can live in mogadishu just as you could live in London.

I know that people hate mogadishu because of tribalism. They recall what they had before but every somali has suffered and it is time to move on.

P.s I had the same perception of Mogadishu when I came here last year .

[fagash_killer]

caydiid u got on point in their wallahi u hit the nail in the spot most malis in the west are even worser than the malis in somalia see we got already sir whos celebrating only for his d-tribes if ina yeey sucdeed to go xamar mostly the d-tribes will celebrate and matter of fact they will wish death on hawiye and isaaqs we know their strategys verywell its this kind of ppl who are killing the name somalia in my own opnion their wont be peace and will never be u can not really blaim the warlords blaim also the supporters in somali and in the youth neather cant u blaim ethopia for trieing to divide somalia ofcourse if the malis are divided and supporting their warlords ethopia will do their best to pick an warlord like ina yeey and using it against the other warlords the warlords wont care who are dieing out their the civialians will be cought up between rocks and stones so caydiid i hope u understand now why we landers dont want to join them these somaliweyn shit they scream for is just an excuse like they screamed for it yesterday and look what happend to us and this time we know it better than yesterday only fools would go back to the old days

[Unclebin]

You guys are crazy to believe that mogadishu is safe. Are you saying that the people of mogadishu are free to roam and not pay the toll man at your local isbaro. Come on it may be safier then lets say 1995, but its probably the 2nd most dangerous place in the world behind baghdad.

[Caydid]

Uncle BIN

Isbaaro(road blocks) is not a bad thing when you have a city that has gone through all kinds of problems. It is used to ensure safety. Don't get me wrong it is better to have no isbaaro - but in the case of somalia it is a neccessity. Tell me where you live- and let us discuss the security situation. How many somalis missed their lives illegaly in the US? Canada?, England? Norway? last year?

[Ina Baxar]

Put back in perspective , caydiid has got some points, but here's where I do have problem . First of all Mogadiscio is NOT home to 1 in every 3 somalis .
Si yaroo fudud baad u tiri "if you refrain from street tribalism....".
What is there for anybody NOT from the deegan to be doing over there?
Let me give you an example.
If you are hawiye and stand in the middle of khayriyadda in Hargeysa and say
"Fu.ck you iidoor , hooyoonkiin iyoo jaad qabax kaad tihin ba wasa" nobody is gonna do anything to you , they'll say" war waa mid gudhuyoo Konfur ka yimidee naga daaya" . Now if I go to Xamar , and say " Dameertaad tihin iyoo wixii idin dhaleyba waxa ku sameeya" , they'll kill me on the spot.
Marka nabaddu xaggee bey jirta?

[Caydid]

INA baxar LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

There is no census on somalis. My gut feeling tells me though that Mogadishu is home to at least one in every somali. Until one could prove that that is wrong(using sophisticated statistics) I am afraid I have to stick with my gut feelings.

In mogadishus fadhi ku dirir cafés it is not uncommon to see people exchanging tribal jokes. But there are limits: Could you for instance shout in Hargeisa " Somaliland waa gobol soomalia ah!" or "Afweyne ilaahey ha noo soo celiyo"

You could be lynched for advocating somaliweyn on Hargeisa streets- but not in awdal and sanaag.

In xamar you could joke about everything except Abdullahi Yusuf .