Is Ahmed Gurey somali ?

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

I wonder what these doctors are using to cure your ass from my Jajur and dhagaax...

[Cawar]

Galol

Your reasoning is flawed, some might consider him to hail from their tribes(thats part of being a somali..you are no exception), but some actually called him above the frey of qabilism to the point of associating him to being from others(a plausible theory)...but like the real cawar you are from the truth, you see only from one angle, the one that suits your claims.

[Cawar]

Galol

My point is not every somali believes in qabil as a sacrosant thing.

However, its undeniable that we value qabil above many things. God is not one of them SWT.

[Cawar]

Fock off Galol. that is offensive to me as a muslim.

The actions of some wont represent the hearst or the minds of all, but if you ask any muslim you know that Allah is more imp. for them, why are you psoing questions like a 6 yr old kid, when you know the whole deal??

I personally dont take this qabil thing to heart and you know it, but I cant talk for someone I dont know, it all boils down to assumptions, and I assume(I know for many cases) that for every muslim Allah is more imp. than anything else immaginable or non. and you know that.

[fagash_killer]

he was an dir guy he was for me an true soulja

[optimist_1]

[quote="Galol"]

Fock Allah, fock nationalism, fock facts, fock Somaliness.[/quote]

Where is the damn moderator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mad_Dog206]

war ninka ina Nuur marehan sade darood ah maxaa ka rabtaan?

[DR-YALAXOOW]

GAAL MADOOW (galol) wali ma nooshay, war gaalkii madoobaaa, war inkaar qabe gaal futto madoobe,.. muslinimo ayaad ku dhalatey ka dibna markaad qaxootinimo yurub ama north america ka heshay ayaad diinti islaamka ka baxdey,, war gaaloow GALOL mardhaw waa lagu soo qabanayaa.. yaa KUFAAR from hargeysa..

[THE ARABIAN MAN]

Ahmed bin Ibrahim al-ghazi belonged to the Harla subclan of the Tarod clan family.The Harlas, according to the glorious victories of Amda sion which was written in the early 14 century A.D, were the bulk of the Muslim armies that were fighting agianst the Abyssinian Christians.In the old days they use to speak Harari language but today many of them have settled among the Afars and the Isas and for that reason speak Maxatiri and Afar language.
This guy was not a Turkish because the Turkish conquered Egypt and the Arabian peninsula only in the middle of the 16 century, and the Imam was born before that date.al-Ghazi is an Arabic title and not a name borrowed from the Turkish language.In the Futuh al-Habasha, the author of that book states that the Gheri Koombe clan came to the Imam and complained to him about how their stock animals were looted by The Habarmagadle and the Marehans.And they said that they were harmed by these two clans because of the clan identity which they share with him.
This is a clear evidence that he was not a Somali but rather a Harla man and there is no evidence that he ever set his foot in Zeila' or Mogadishu.
The Hawiye, the Samaroone, and the Isas were not present in the battle of Shibirakura in which the backbone of the Abyssinians were broken.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Galol"] Don't you dare, don't you even dare to tell me you slayed this gorgeous monster. [quote]

I didn't have to. The qabiil monster never found a home him within me nor the opportunity to inculcate me with primitive principles like the rest of somalis since I've lived outside of Somalia most of my life. And my family aren't qabiilists, that helps alot.

I'm not like you savages, trapped in primitivia and hopelessly sliding into the abyss

You know they say: stare the abyss long enough, and in time the abyss will stare you back. I think somalis are fast approaching that time.


[quote]Strong, secular stuff Clannism. Socks but beautiful.[/quote]



True but higher primates are clanists too. They have variegated clans with order and hierarchy, unique cultures and routinely go on wars of EXTERMINATION against other clans. Very much like somalis. I often use for hyperbole purposes when I say: somalis are step down the evolutionary ladder. Truthfully, that statement is alot more closer to truth then it may appear on first read. True indeed.

So, where does that leave us as ppl? Are we no better then primates as social animals?

[fagash_killer]

galol ure right wallahi however u shouldnt go so far

[gurey25]

[quote="THE ARABIAN MAN"]Ahmed bin Ibrahim al-ghazi belonged to the Harla subclan of the Tarod clan family.The Harlas, according to the glorious victories of Amda sion which was written in the early 14 century A.D, were the bulk of the Muslim armies that were fighting agianst the Abyssinian Christians.In the old days they use to speak Harari language but today many of them have settled among the Afars and the Isas and for that reason speak Maxatiri and Afar language.
This guy was not a Turkish because the Turkish conquered Egypt and the Arabian peninsula only in the middle of the 16 century, and the Imam was born before that date.al-Ghazi is an Arabic title and not a name borrowed from the Turkish language.In the Futuh al-Habasha, the author of that book states that the Gheri Koombe clan came to the Imam and complained to him about how their stock animals were looted by The Habarmagadle and the Marehans.And they said that they were harmed by these two clans because of the clan identity which they share with him.
This is a clear evidence that he was not a Somali but rather a Harla man and there is no evidence that he ever set his foot in Zeila' or Mogadishu.
The Hawiye, the Samaroone, and the Isas were not present in the battle of Shibirakura in which the backbone of the Abyssinians were broken.[/quote]


common misconceptions.
1.) Harla were decendents of the Jaberti muslims of the last days of axum,
that migrated south into first shoa, then founded awfat, due to christian persecution.
These muslim immigrants converted the local cushtic population to islam and they became culturaly "Harla" as well.
This is the begining of the Emirate of Awfat and the Walashama dynasty, that later moved to Harar and created the sultanate of Awdal.
The author of the text that you copied and pasted made the mistake of
linking Darood or "Tarod" with Jaberti.. The mythical Darood was supposed to have landed in Maydh in the 1200's like shiekh isxaaq.


2.)The futuxaat al habash does not give the origin of the Imam but it clearly states his birthplace in zeylac, his fathers service in the government of the walasha sultanate, and his rise through the army ranks.
In those days the royal family was Harla, most of the army was dir and afar, not only in ahmed gureys lifetime, but in the previous wars.
Remember the war of ahmed gurey was the 5th war between the muslims and christians. We are talking about Dir, mainly Madaxwyene dir(Gurgura) who made up the majority of the population.

The Gheri koombe , like the Marehan and Habr Magadle, and other mentioned clans like the yabare were on the outskirts of the Sultanate, and Futuxaat al xabaash mentions that into the war the Imam ahmed gurey made a call to those clans to boost the numbers of the Sultanates army.

what is the likely origin of the Imam.
The most likely is Dir, mainly Madaxwyene dir (Gurgura) who made up the majority of the population, of the population of Adal, along with the Harla.
The destruction of the Sultanate and the Oromo migrations of 1560's drastically reduced the population of Harla, and Dir, and the Absame who were on the outskirts moved in along with the Oromos from the west.
Leaving the situation we have today.

[Musie]

Seems like everybody wants to claim him.....

[Musie]

Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi (c.1507 - February 21, 1543) was a Somali Imam and General who defeated several Ethiopian emperors and wreaked much damage on that nation. He is also known as Ahmad Gragn (or Gurey), "Ahmed the left-handed".

He was born near Zeila, a port city located in northwestern Somalia


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Ibrihim_al-Ghazi

he was deffently a somali

i have seen xabashis claim him on other forums

[Unclebin]

You do know that wikipedia is probably one of the least credible sources out there. I could edit it to ahmed gurey was an ethiopian habashi imam.

With that said he was a Somali in my opinion or an adari, afar.