Is Ahmed Gurey somali ?

[Mataan_Ciideed]

gurey

Did you read futuuxal xabasha?.

Cawar

Your point doesn't make sense, because Al Ghaazi is not Axmad Gurey's last name!. It's a title or a nickname!. Al Ghaazi means "The Conquerer"!.

So he's name was Axmad Gurey the Conquerer!.

[Cawar]

Mataan

I realized that few days ago, thats why i abstained from contributing...because all I really know about Ahmed Gurey's origin is a heresay...although every one is just like me as I suspect.

However, I wanted him to be considered just a Somali/muslim hero...and you can see why i wanted that from our brothers claims of him belonging to so many diff. tribes. Every one wants to claim him.

[gurey25]

Yes i did read futuxaat al xabash.

unfortunatley i have on my hands the incomplete, watered down
english translation, from Red Sea Press.

....

Did you read it.

[THE ARABIAN MAN]

Mad-dog, according to what I heard from some Tarod elders, Amir-Nur was half brother of Imam-Ahmed Gurey and they had different fathers.
Can you tell me who are the Mataan Ciise?.I mean where does their geneleogy is connected to the Marehan geneology?.If you think what I am saying is not true, then go and read the book that was written by I.M.Lewis which is called "the modern history of Somalia".In that book, the
author relates that Afweyne use to claim Imam-Ahmed to have been one of his ancestors.



Aflibaax, you said that Ahmed-gurey was a Karinle man.Then can you tell me why the Karinles were not present in battle of Shibrakurs in which the backbone of the Abyssinian army were broken?.How is it possible that other clans such as Habarmagadle,Marehan, Harla Koombe and others have been mentioned as participants in that decessive battle while the Karinles not were mentioned by name?.How can other clans be mentioned but not the clan of the leader of the army?.

Gurey, the Harla clan are Tarods according to geneologists, and there is no need for them to attach themselves to the Tarod clan if they are not authentic Tarods.I once came accross a Majertain man who was a parliament member in the goverment of 1960s.His name was Ahmed Ceegaag, and he told me how he escaped from Somalia during the Afweyne's rule.After he stayed in Adis Abab for several months, he asked the Ethiopian goverment to allow him to move to a more warmer region.The interior minister of that country then gave him permission to move to Asseyte, a town that is located in the Afar region.After he lived in that town for a month, he was visited by a group of elders who told him that the belonged to the Harla clan.They told him something about their history and that they are the brothers of the Gheri Koombe and Harti Koombe.
I believe what those Harla elders told that man that they are Tarods and there is no need for some person like you to approve it.
As for the year in which Tarod Isma'il came to Somalia, all the Tarod geneologists agree on that he landed in the Hafun area about 30 generations ago, and that is about 1000 year ago.This means that Tarod came to Somalia between the 10th and the 11th century A.D.There is no person who believes Tarod to have arrived in Somalia in 1200 A.D.

Garaad, there is no clan in the Tarod geneology whose name is Hararle.
Harla/Harda in which the "l" consonant is pronounced as the Arabic letter "daad", means in Arabic language "stone ware".

[optimist_1]

[quote="Af_libaax"].................................... Ahmed Gurey ......................................

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ( Ilaah Naxaristi Jano haka Waraabiyo ) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Waxuu ahaa Somaali ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,( KARANLE HAWIYE ),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

dad qaraabadiisi ah ayaa Wali Nool oo ku aftirsada[/quote]

I believe him to be this asswel

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

It said that it will be the end of the day when a garaac (bast1ard) tell tall about noble people history.

The arabian man make us laugh!!!!

What are you?
An arab or a somali (could you repeat what you have said before).

If you are a somali i will take the time to post again and more about Zaylac.

Apart that everyone should look in my previous reply about ahmed gurey

[THE ARABIAN MAN]

Optimist and aflibaax, I have my self dicussed with some Karinles whether Ahmed-gurey was a Karinle or not here in this forum some time in 2003.The Karinle men who particpated in that discusion could not show where the Imams geneology was connected to the geneology of the Karinles.Some said he was SHirbuul, while others said that he was from the 'Amirs.Both are subclans of the Karinle Hawiye.So, you see how contradicting the argument of those men are?.Ahmed-gurey can not be from two different subclans of the Karinle Hawiyes.HE can be only sired by one man and not by two men.

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

The same bas1tar who was denying about any somali lineage is now try to preach about somalis!!!!!!!!!!

[Hawd_boy]

God Bless Ahmed Gurey.
He was truely a Somali and Islamic Hero.

100% SOMALI.

100% DAROOD.


It is very clear, there is nothing to argue about, it's not like you can change History.

[THE ARABIAN MAN]

Mad-dog, you said that you are connected to the geneology of Afweyne in
Mataan Ciise.But, I had with me the geneology of Afweyne and I haven't seen an ancestor of his whose name was Matan Ciise.I think the geneology of Afweyne is as follows:Maxamed Siyad Bare Xasan Kooshin
Diini Faarax Sharmaarke Faarax ........Maxamed Daa'uud........Raadamiir
Amanreer Isxaaq Gashireedle Hadambari Awsame Marexan Sade.
Now, where the man who you are saying his name is Mataan Ciise?.
I asked a Marexan elder if Amir-Nur was a Marehan and he said that he is the epynomy of the reer Nur who are a Marehan subclan and who dwell in a village near Harar which is called Wilansi.Even if Amir-Nur was a Marehan, that doesn't mean Ahmed-gurey was also a Marehan.
The father of the Imam was called Ibrahim.So, can you find any person by the name Ibrahim in the Marehan geneology?.
Any way, can you tell me where the Wagardhac clan's geneology is connected to the geneology of the Marehans?.I am asking you this question because I read in a book that the Wagardhacs are not an anthentic Marehan clan.

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

lord of the basta1rds!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The great faaraaghness

[Mad_Dog206]

[quote] I haven't seen an ancestor of his whose name was Matan Ciise.I think the geneology of Afweyne is as follows:Maxamed Siyad Bare Xasan Kooshin
Diini Faarax Sharmaarke Faarax ........Maxamed Daa'uud........Raadamiir
Amanreer Isxaaq Gashireedle Hadambari Awsame Marexan Sade. [/quote]

diini farax gulaid sharmake khalaf hussein yusuf MATAAN CIIS ahmed maxamed daa'uud abadir muuse warwaajecle raadamiir amanreer isxaaq gaashiredly hadanbari baalyidhi awsame marehan sade darod kid....al the lines where u had dots were for good reason cuz u skipped over names.




[quote]I asked a Marexan elder if Amir-Nur was a Marehan and he said that he is the epynomy of the reer Nur who are a Marehan subclan and who dwell in a village near Harar which is called Wilansi.Even if Amir-Nur was a Marehan, that doesn't mean Ahmed-gurey was also a Marehan.[/quote]

tru amiir NUUR CIIS was the father of the subclan ina Nuur n ahmed gurey was his cousin..ahmed gurey didnt have any farcan but he was an important man who couldnt be forgotten to us so he was included in the genaology of his royal cousin who had descendents to continue his line..sharaftee isla qaybsadeen..thus he was included in ina Nuur. ina Nuur wali waxay dagaan Harer and little bit in today's gedo.


[quote]Any way, can you tell me where the Wagardhac clan's geneology is connected to the geneology of the Marehans?.I am asking you this question because I read in a book that the Wagardhacs are not an anthentic Marehan clan.[/quote]

ur dumb for askin this. go up there n look at ancesty i listed, look at amaanreer isxaaq garshiledle hodanbari baalyidhi awsame marehan sade daro.....amaanreer had FOUR SONS....Radamiir Amaanreer (who came to be the father of most of marehans includin siad barre and i), Maxamed Amsanreer (known by his nick name WAGARDHAC), Talxe Amaanreer (talxe who live in jubooyinka n gedo), and Howraarsame Amaanreer (who's descendents killed the boqor of darod along time ago Maxamed Da'ud n who were subjected to oppression).



anymore questions?

[ayqeerto]

ayqeerto thinks axmed luqeey was waraabo lug gaab gu.s xayeesi

[gurey25]

[quote]Gurey, the Harla clan are Tarods according to geneologists, and there is no need for them to attach themselves to the Tarod clan if they are not authentic Tarods.I once came accross a Majertain man who was a parliament member in the goverment of 1960s.His name was Ahmed Ceegaag, and he told me how he escaped from Somalia during the Afweyne's rule.After he stayed in Adis Abab for several months, he asked the Ethiopian goverment to allow him to move to a more warmer region.The interior minister of that country then gave him permission to move to Asseyte, a town that is located in the Afar region.After he lived in that town for a month, he was visited by a group of elders who told him that the belonged to the Harla clan.They told him something about their history and that they are the brothers of the Gheri Koombe and Harti Koombe.
I believe what those Harla elders told that man that they are Tarods and there is no need for some person like you to approve it.
As for the year in which Tarod Isma'il came to Somalia, all the Tarod geneologists agree on that he landed in the Hafun area about 30 generations ago, and that is about 1000 year ago.This means that Tarod came to Somalia between the 10th and the 11th century A.D.There is no person who believes Tarod to have arrived in Somalia in 1200 A.D. [/quote]


Arabian man you have to choose one or the other,if you want to link Tarod
with Harla.

Either you abandon the darood story and accept that its as old as Dir,
or a confederation of clans, or abandon all links to the City of Harar,
and the harla people.

If you still want to link ahmed gurey with darood, it fine with me,
because after all you do not really have to depend on fairytales, told by a majeerten refugee in afarland.

This is because ahmed gurey was not of the royal walahsama family who were harla and not somali, he was a generel who took over the Sultanate for himself.


My interest is academic, so i am willing to entertain a darood origin,
however unlikely, because it would be interesting.
It would be like ghenghis khan not bieng mongol, but from a uighur, or tatar tribe living in mongol land.
Any evidence for that would make it a realy cool event.

I have told you my reasoning before but i will repeat it, mainly for the benefit of others.
The population of Adal in the 1400-1500 was mainly harla, gurgura, other dir clans and afar.
Geri koombe, Marexaan and Habar magaadle were on the outskirts of the sultanate beyond the Rule of the Sultan, and the author of Futuxat al xabash mentions specificlly that they were called to come.

no for a darood to be born in zeylac a DIR/AFAR town in those days
rise up the ranks of the Sultans army, like his father before him.
is highly unusual.

[Samatr]

Are the Harla people Adari?