Is Ahmed Gurey somali ?

[gurey25]

most likely

[Samatr]

[quote="THE ARABIAN MAN"]Koombe.
I believe what those Harla elders told that man that they are Tarods and there is no need for some person like you to approve it.
As for the year in which Tarod Isma'il came to Somalia, all the Tarod geneologists agree on that he landed in the Hafun area about 30 generations ago, and that is about 1000 year ago.This means that Tarod came to Somalia between the 10th and the 11th century A.D.There is no person who believes Tarod to have arrived in Somalia in 1200 A.D.
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Darod landed on Xiis from what I was told, Sheekh Isaxaaq landed on Maydh where his tomb is.
Are you even Somali?

[THE ARABIAN MAN]

Gurey, you said [qoute] you have to choose one or the other, if you want to link Darod with the Harla.
EITHER you abandon the Darod story and accept that it is as old as DIR or a confederation of clans, or abandon all links to the city of Harar and the Harla people[quote].
I really couldn't apprehend what is your intention.All the Tarod elders agree on that Tarod came to Somalia about 30 generations ago which corresponce to between the 10 and the 11 centuries.According to the Darod oral tradition, the epynomy of the Darods lived the same time as the Dir epynomy.Infact, Dir was the father in law of Darod.There is no evidence that the Harlas existed on this earth before Darod Isma'il came to Somalia.
You also said [quote]Ahmed gurey was not of the royal Walasma family who were Harla and not Somali.He was a general who took over the sultanate for himself[quote].
According to geneologies that were collected by Enrico Cerulli, the Walasma royal family traced the geneologies back to shekh Yusuf al-kownayn and did not belonged to the Harla clan.
You also said [quote]no for a Darod to be born in Zeyla a DIR/Afar town in those days could rise up the rank of the sultan's army like his father is highly unusual[quote].
There is no evidence which shows that Ahmedgurey ever set his foot either in Zeyla or Mogadishu.What the futuh al-habasha points is that his strong hold was in the town of Hobat which is a Harla town.
If the Tarods are not biologically related then why are there non-Tarod minorities, such as Gadsan, Fiqishini, Obo, Sure, DIR Rooble etc, who live among the Tarods?.If the Tarods were united by political or ecological circustances, like political parties, then why did these non-Tarod minorities were excluded from that union?.


Samatar, I have never heard any Tarod person who claimed the Tarod epynomy to have entered Somalia through the Xiis port.What I read in "the first footsteps on East Africa" is that the dhow in which Tarod was on board wrecked near Hafun.
I belong to the Arabs of Somalia.Somalis consist of Bantus,Arabs, Persians, Indians, and of couse Cushitics.
Ahmed-gurey belonged to those Tarods who do not speak Somali.In other words he was not Somaliphoni.

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

Did you find your father????
Last time he was an arab mr faraagh!!!!!


Now you preaching us about a noble somali clan (which is Darod)!!!!!

once again The great faraaghness is trying to preach us about a noble somali clan!!!

[michael_ital]

Everything i've read on him leads to believe he was.

"He was born near Zeila, a port city located in northwestern Somalia, and married Bati del Wambara, the daughter of governor Mahfuz of Zeila. When Mahfuz was killed returning from a campaign against the Ethiopian emperor Lebna Dengel in 1517, the Adal sultanate lapsed into anarchy for several years, until Imam Ahmad killed the last of the contenders for power and took control of Harar."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Gragn

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

michael we all know about that and more.

But since when we listen a bastar1d like arabian donkey man

[michael_ital]

Oh, I see. We've transcended the original thread topic, to emerge into the realm of clan origins. That's outta my league then, sxb. Though I will delve into the topic, as it's an interesting one.

[THE ARABIAN MAN]

Michael-ital, forget about what these recent historians wrote about Ahmed-gurey.There are only two books and three manuscripts that were written at the time when Ahmed-gurey was alive.The first book was written by an Arab man and it is called the futuh al-habasha.The other book was written by an Spanish man who served the Porutuese army that came to the help of the Abyssinaina Christians.There are at least three manuscripts that were written by some Hararis.I read all these books and there is no place where it was said that the Imam Ahmed-gurey ever set his foot in Zaila.
I have with me all these manuscripts , so can you tell where it is written in these books that Ahmedgurey lived in Zaila?.
Forget about what those authors of today write in their books.Most of the times they write false information in order to preserve their copy right.

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

michael you input and view are as much important as any noble person.

Cos sure you are (from my impression so far) a noble man and therefore we would learn maybe 1 or 2 from you!!!

However the arabian assho1le man is a cameleone.

Once he told us that he got no lineage with somalis and hate our noble nation.
He portray himself as an arab.

We have no quarrel with the arabs as long they pay for those somali youth they have beheaded.

However I certainly mistaken him as noble Arabs.

what i released later that the assho1le do speak somali and have lived in somalia.
Now what i still don't know is:
Who fuc1ked is mother ?

Was it an arab?
If so then leave the noble ahmed gurey alone and the noble darod clan.

Was it a somali?
If so then why the fuck is he is denying his somaliness?

[Cawar]

"michael you input and view are as much important as any noble person.

Cos sure you are (from my impression so far) a noble man and therefore we would learn maybe 1 or 2 from you!!!

However the arabian assho1le man is a cameleone.

Once he told us that he got no lineage with somalis and hate our noble nation.
He portray himself as an arab."


Don

I dont want to get into whats between you and the Arabian man, obviously you have some issue between you, however according to you and the above quote...

you are saying thats its OK if Mike-Ital a Canadian(a noble man mind you) dude to participate and have his input in an already very contested debate among somalis about A.Gurey, but its not permitted that the Arabian man(A somali arab..as he claims) have any say whatsoever about this issue, even if he happens to know some useful information???

I think thats not fair(maybe hypocritical from your part), as closely related to the issue, but like I said anything between you guys is none of my business!

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

Cawar wallahee oo billahee there is no somali arab as much as there is no Somali Jew.

Either you are an Arab or a Somali!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is as much as clear.

I have a big issue the mother fuc1cker.

Either he got to tell us that his an Arab.
We will duly listen to his view.

Or he got tell us he is a Somali garaac and we will give him his redemption.

But you can’t have both ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

Cawar did you know that the harla this mother fucke1r faraagh is bring in on post after post are indeed issa???

Ask any djiboutien about harla.

They will tell you there are indeed issa.

It is like asking who are the ogaden and we will tell you there from the noble darod clan!!!!

[Cawar]

Don

I dont know that much about Harla or Isse for that matter, but I know many friends of mine consider themselves somalis but they are descendants of Arab parents(we call them Muwalad), heck they are 50/50..so who are you or am I to deny them that God given(by birth) right???.


Anways, your beef is not by business, but one cant deny his/her mother or father can they now... seriously speaking??

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

if your father is an arab...
You are a noble arab whether you mother is somali or habeshee.

If your father is somali...
You are a noble somali whether you mother is white or black.

You can't have both in somali culture.
Either you are somali or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On this playground you can not cheat or fool somalis.

So the great faraaghness has to side in either camps!!!!!!

[Galol]

DD


I am happy for you. Or rather I should be. But I am more like jealous, envious and at the same time slightly smug. Smug for I know what you missed. You can only see the ugliness of qabilism, and ugly it can certainbly be.

But it can be sublimely beautiful. The comparisons with primates are apt but we are primates, all of us. Hey what is wrong with Chimp clan from Tree Seven anyway?

But I shouldn't feel too sorry for you . You may have missed the wonders of clannism. But just look at what our Islamist forumists on this board are missing: a brain.