Soul?

[+chilli]

Ok I found this interesting quote; it just got me thinking like random stuff…

Daniel Dennett:
“My conscious thinking, and especially the enjoyment I felt in the combination of sunny light, sunny Vivid violins, rippling branches - plus the pleasure I took in just thinking about it all - how could all that be just something physical happening in my brain? How could any combination of electrochemical happenings in my brain somehow add up to the delightful way those hundreds of twigs genuflected in time with the music? How could some information-processing event in my brain be the delicate warmth of the sunlight I felt falling on me? For that matter, how could an event in my brain be my sketchily visualized mental image of … some other information-processing event in my brain? It does seem impossible. It does seem as if the happenings that are my conscious thoughts and experiences cannot be brain happenings, but must be something else, something caused or produced by brain happenings, no doubt, but something in addition, made of different stuff, located in a different space. Well, why not?”

I know we are all aware of the physical body, and can’t really avoid it, but has anyone every pondered on their spiritual being and how it works?
Scientists have established that everything we perceive takes place in our brains right.
The brain is water, lipid and atoms; it records everything, what for? Its processing information for something right?

“Philosophers since the Greeks have speculated about the "ghost" in the machine, the "little man inside the little man" and so on. Where is the I-the entity that uses the brain? Who does the actual knowing? Or, as Saint Francis of Assisi once put it, "What we are looking for is what is looking?”

Has anyone ever said ‘I am me’ and actually known what that meant? And if they pinched their arm, they said yea that’s me, or is it the voice that felt it and said ‘that was stupid’ lol

So ofcause Islamic perspective, it’s the soul, conscious and unconscious which the body works for, being with knowledge of ‘wrong and right’.

I saw this guy once who walked on fire and pins and needle, who basically said he switched of his pain button, so he didn’t feel it, so can the body go though Pain, while the soul sits back and says so am just your voice of reason?

Whats the relationship between the body and the being that’s watching and deciding? N how does the shytan come in between them?

[Dun]

[quote="biko"]there are 9 billion bicycle in Beijing![/quote]

[Viking]

chilli,
Here's a very good read on the subject...

http://www.harunyahya.com/matter.php

[Basra-]

'Whats the relationship between the body and the being that’s watching and deciding? N how does the shytan come in between them?"



The relationship is 'purely' a Symbiotic one. You know-- the inter-dependency of two total seperate entities of a body.The body(which includes the physical brain) & the spirit within (Which is soul & the factor 'I') is inter- dependent with each other.Just like a computer--the monitor, the keyboard representing the 'body' & the harddrive--representing the brain--is a collection signal receiving entity that function in co-ordination.The Shytan comes does not come between the body but the brain.The brain dictates the body. The brain is the dictator of the republic of the body.

in otherwords-- this is very dull indeed.

[Caydid]

Viking, good link bro.

Basra- a very sound reply. My question is which one dies? Mind or body? or both?

Does the body go into a state of subconsciousness?

[Basra-]

Caydiid@lol


'Does the body go into a state of subconsciousness?'????


The answer is a resounding - NO!! To be subconscious--it has to be a 'conscious' A body is governed by the conscious control department. (The brain) If you mean-- does body have a brain of its own-- the answer NO of course.Anything you do--(& i know u are talking about bad larscivious things) the body is at No fault. It acts under the direction of the brain. A dead brain is a dead body.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Basra-"] The relationship is 'purely' a Symbiotic one. You know-- the inter-dependency of two total seperate entities of a body.The body(which includes the physical brain) & the spirit within (Which is soul & the factor 'I') is inter- dependent with each other. [/quote]

@ purely symbiotic

The soul, mind, conscienceness, intellect etc are all projections of the neuro-chemical activities of your brain. To test this, try any mind altering drugs and see what happens to your 'soul' or 'mind'

[AMAT-ALLAH]

[quote="Dun"][quote="biko"]there are 9 billion bicycle in Beijing![/quote][/quote]



I looof that song... --Just such a bloody random verse i never got in that song

[Wise-Man]

Our Soul and the body are both co-dependent and they both act-upon our actions and thoughts. The combination of these two things is the reason why our ethical and unethical behaviors are determined by our creator. Our actions and behaviors are not counted when we are unconscious, or unaware our activities. Therefore, nor the soul or the body itself could stimulate or precede the life circle. On the other hand, it seems like there are some sort of relationship between (human beings and the Satan) even though we can’t see it. This relationship doesn’t mean we can’t revolt against the interference of the Sheydaan, but it comes from our desire and willpower or choices we make. Satan circulates in the human being as our blood circulates our body and it is main focus is how to insert or fit into our brain.



Very interesting topic, chilli.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Wise-Man"] The combination of these two things is the reason why our ethical and unethical behaviors are determined by our creator. .[/quote]

You're wrong of course. Ethics are created by a community of individuals/groups. Not God!

BTW, no one has yet to shed ANY new, insightful light on this topic but regurgitate indefensible hackneyed ideas.


Challenge: show the brain is separate from the mind/soul/conscience/intellect etc.

[Viking]

[quote="dhuusa_deer"] BTW, no one has yet to shed ANY new, insightful light on this topic but regurgitate indefensible hackneyed ideas.
[/quote]

dhuusa-dheer,
You know what they say about people who live in glass-houses...it's not like you've been sprinkling wisdom on this topic mate.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Viking"] dhuusa-dheer,
You know what they say about people who live in glass-houses...it's not like you've been sprinkling wisdom on this topic mate.[/quote]

Wisdom is no wisdom without touch of truth and of course being defensible. People are positing this absurd front of soul and mind separate from the brain without providing their defense of it. I on the other hand declared my rejection of it by stating there is no soul and the mind is what the brain does. I even went further and provided falsifiable assertion: the intake of mind altering drugs which WE KNOW change the percept/intellect and mind of humans. I'll also say this: when ppl have serious brain injuries, they sometimes end up with entirely new personalities, mental capacities and screwy intellect. Going to show our 'mind' is what our brains do. No one refuted any of what I said while I refuted what others have said.

So perhaps, Viking, you should put your money where your mouth is. Just once!

[Viking]

dhuusa-dheer,
I posted the link above for this particular reason. I didn't give my views because this topic has been discussed many a times in this forum throughout the years and it is unfortunate that the archieves have been tossed to oblivion, it would have been of great value to glance some of the things that have been dicussed.

You confused my invititation for you to post your views [for some strange reason] to mean I am endorsing what was said by others, why is this? Am I joined at the hip to anyone? Click on the link I gave above and you'll find a very good read.