ONE CALIPHATE:UNDER ALLAH (SWT) WITH 1.5 BILLION MUSLIMS

[LionHeart-112]

http://www.islamicity.com/m/news_frame. ... ceID=25995




Insteresting article..

[Gacalisa]

you know it could actually work, if they tried it. most of the issues and problems of the Islamic world began as soon as the west got involved in the mid 1800s, and after British and France carved the Mid-East during WWII, as they pleased.

runti, it could work.

[Grant]

" The party is illegal in all Arab countries as well as Germany. Britain mooted banning the group after last year's London bombings were carried out by members of a Hizb ut-Tahrir splinter group.

Hizb ut-Tahrir's critics rarely see the organization as a direct threat, however.

"Many people see Hizb ut-Tahrir's aims as utterly unrealistic," says Nadim Shehadi, a Middle East analyst at Chatham House. "Even their understanding of the Caliphate as a strong, powerful state is questionable. Historically the Caliphate only worked because it was very loose and extremely decentralized."

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There are how many divisions within Islam?

[SomaliLight]

[quoteGacalisa]you know it could actually work, if they tried it. most of the issues and problems of the Islamic world began as soon as the west got involved in the mid 1800s, and after British and France carved the Mid-East during WWII, as they pleased. [/quote]

Gacalisa, the situation inconstantinople was far more delicate than you assume. The fall of the Ottoman had more to do with internal problems than latter infilterations by westerners.

[Gacalisa]

well, actually the problems began much earlier, in the late 1400s, when a European guy, decided to get products Europe was trading with the Mid-East first hand, and get rid of the MiddleMan (middle east). so the guy goes all around africa, and goes directly to Asia, and forms a new rout of trading. after route was established, and middle man lost, the Mid-East's business decrease, and the decay began.

Also they increase with the West's influence. after the west learned of science, and the inventions of the Muslim Man, they enhanced those inventions and came up with new innovations. the empire tried to keep up, but could not. so step by step, Europe took European lands back, and started to scracht the edges of the empire, and little by little began to take the empires own land, then finally in 1918 it collapsed. then the carving began, and West took over.

[The Law26]

Lion

Wahabis don’t like Hizb-ul Tahriir, the same people who are calling for an Islamic caliphate that you quoted in your piece above. In fact they don’t like any other leaders, or sects Muslims to unite under, except the Saudi Royal family and their Wahabi leaders in Saudi Arabia. The Wahabis played a major role in dismantling the last Othman Empire (which had a semblance of a caliph) with the help of the British, a poof guy called Lawrence of Arabia.

Read this dialogue about Hizb Tahriir below by Proud Muslimah and SomaliSiZ

“PS: If you don't mind me asking, who are these hizbu taxriir people/group?”

Asks, Proud Muslimah.

And here is how her Wahabi mate SomalisiZ responds;

"Asalam Calaikom Sis === > Hizb ut-tahreer- It is a party founded by Taqiyyud-deen an Nabhaanee. As for this party - then we have a number of observations to make about it:

That they do not accept "Khabarul-Aahaad" in 'Aqeedah and this has caused them to separate from Ahlus-Sunnah in 'Aqeedah since accepting the ahaadeeth is an important principle - so they do not accept the Messengers (s.a.w.s) sayings in points of 'Aqeedah. So they do not believe for example, in The Punishment in the grave, they do not believe in The Dajjaal and they do not believe in the descent of the Maseh - and they do not believe in many things which are mentioned in ahaadeeth. And this is of course, something futile since authentic aahaad Ahaadeeth which are those reported by good / reliable, precise narrators from the first to the last of them - not contradicting something more reliable - and not contain hidden weakness and the ahaadeeth which fulfill these five conditions amounts to knowledge whereas they say that it amounts only to conjecture (zann) - and the reply to them in detail is to be found in my book: "al-adillah wash-Shawaahid fee wujoob al-Akhdh bikhabral-waahid fil Ahkaam wal 'Aqaaid",

Also this party has various peculiar opinions - so for example they allow nude photographs, they allow one to look at photographs and this contains great danger due to a Sharee'ah point .. They reject so many other important critical things in Islam that is from Quran and Sunnah ..

Again Proud Muslimah responds;

“Subhan'Allah I have never heard of them...Jazakum'Allahu Kairan sister
Subhan'Allah, we should be very careful on where we go to (such as Islamic organisations, websites...etc) when it comes to getting education on our deen!

Assalamu Alaikum, Jazakum'Allahu Kairan bro The link is working. I will pass the link around to people I know so that they become aware of this group Insh'Allah."

http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... ht=#457624

I met Hizbul Tahriir spokesman in Australia some time ago, they are highly young idealistic Muslims seeking a genuine solidarity among Muslims, and man, they can think for their own and articulate their point better than those indoctrinated parrotic Wahabis. Most of the followers of this movement come from Central Asia, and not from Najd in Saudi Arabia like Abdiwahaab. The point is, while the Wahabi people demand that all Muslims to unite only under their banner, a wahabi Caliphate will never happen.

[Gacalisa]

i am not pro any sect, but Wahabbis are by far the weirdest, i mean nothing can be done by violence and power, and it's exactly what they preach.

whats sad is most people, including a lot, i mean a lot of somalis follow them. its whats causing these battles in Muqdishu, between Islamist(wahabis) and the warlords.

i mean preaching hate, for any one, causes disunity. And Saudis, where wahabism started, does not want to unite with anyone, let alone let all of Islam unite, as one state.

[LionHeart-112]

Grant....That's not a division or a sect of Islam. Hizbu Tahrir is more of an organization or group like Muslim Brotherhood. They belong to the sunni sect.


The rebel...and i care about the Wahabis becauseeee????????????

[Touheed]

I like this very much.

Maybe the leadership should be between Pathans and Somalis .

[Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah]

U NO THE PATHANS WONT LIKE THE SOMALI'S THEY DONT LIKE BLACK PPL FULL STOP!

[LionHeart-112]

Pathans are JUST like somalis..very tribalistic and backward...I'd prefer Malays ruling over me.

[Touheed]

You are talking about the pathans living outside of the cities.

I am talking about the ''reer magaal'' pathans

[LionHeart-112]

Touheed....Is there such thing as reer magaal pathans? Afghans and Somalis are a lot alike. U can take them out of the rural villages but u can't take tribalism out of them. All the afghans i have met identify themselves as Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Hazaras first and Afghans second.

[Touheed]

You do know Hazaras are minority just the reer Xamars you have back home.

They claim to be Ganges khan children. So offcourse they aint Pakistani or Afghani they are mongolian robbers

[Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah]

YEA I HAVE A HAZARA FRIEND HE LOOKS CHINESE WHY?