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Indacadde: We Will Smash Them

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:49 pm
by Baller69
Somalia: Islamists threaten to attack Addis Ababa
Thu. July 20, 2006 04:29 pm.

Mohamed Abdi Farah

(SomaliNet) The top security official of the Islamic Courts Sheikh Yusuf Mohamed Siad known as ‘Indha-adde’ said on Thursday if Ethiopia invades Somalia capital then they would attack Addis Ababa, amid fears of possible confrontation between increasingly powerful Islamic militiamen and Ethiopian forces who entered Baidoa town, to defend the UN-backed Somalia government based there.

Speaking with the recently defected militiamen from the government, Sheikh Siad Indha-adde emphasized the militiamen to show more patriotism and join honestly to Islamic courts.

130 militiamen originally from Somalia Hiran central region have defected from the military camps outside of Baidoa after they had lacked care from the government.

“If Ethiopians don’t spare a peace to us, we would promise to engage a war with them and we will see then the result of that,” Sheikh Indha Adde said adding “I would recommend that Ethiopia should peace initiative with its neighbor country and respect its independence. “We urge again Ethiopian government to withdraw its troops from Somalia and also we ask the international community to press Ethiopia to abstain from interfering Somalia affairs,” he said.

The statement of IslamistsÂ’ top official came as Ethiopian soldiers in military trucks drove into provincial town of Baidoa on Thursday day after Islamic militiamen armed with battle wagons reached in Burhakaba 60km to Baidoa town, 240km southwest of Mogadishu.

Meanwhile, the leader of expectative Council of Islamic Courts (CIC) Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed accused SomaliÂ’s interim president Abdulahi Yusuf Ahmed of planning an attack from his Puntland region and warned against full scale of war in the country.

Sheikh Ahmed urged Puntland authority to give advice to president Yusuf who is leading the country into disastrous way.

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:50 pm
by AbdiWahab252
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Why not smash yesterday instead of punking out Laughing Laughing Laughing

Hot Air I say Hot Air.


Sending 30 techniko and then retreating from Buur Hakaba is shameful

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:59 pm
by PH.D.
I really believe the Courts. They have the capability to make their threat come true.

They had Qanyare and Yaxaroow for lunch. A fulaay amxaar is gonna run backwards when they are the first gunshots Laughing

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:01 pm
by avowedly-agnostic
Wahab

I'm not familiar with this Indha-adde fellow, but tell me this Wahab, would you be in support of Ethiopia invading Somalia should the Islamists attack the government? Surely Ethiopia has no business meddling in Somalian affairs?

(please don't refer from my question that I support the Islamists.)

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:04 pm
by xoogSADE14
abdi hutu

thirty teknikos is not nearly enough to attack baydhabo which has hundreds upon hundreds of teknikos. the main objective of the Buur Hakaba expedition was to install Al-Bayaan Islamic Court there to make sure that it has sufficient numbres of men to implement its rulings.

and both of those objectives were achieved without any bloodshed.

ALLAHU-AKBAR

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:05 pm
by AbdiWahab252
No I am not in favor of any Ethiopian invasion. I want the UIC to be put into check. The best win-win scenario would be the DFKMG and UIC fight for a long time and wreck each other. The winner will be too weak to implement an extreme ideology and hopefully a centerist/secular government forms.

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:13 pm
by avowedly-agnostic
Wahab

I presume the DFKMG is the elected government; why do you say they're extreme (not the Courts, but the government that is)? Aren't they already a secular bunch?

Also, do you believe that the IC will hand over power to the elected officals, demand that some of their leaders be given seats in parliament, or insist on new elections to legitimise their power?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:14 pm
by Sakhraan
Wadaado ku sheegani Xabashida ma waxay moodayaan afartii dhiigya cab isku reerka ahayeen. war ka jooga yaa yidhaa inta goori goor tahay.




SAKHRAAN, seeker o f truth & justice

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:46 pm
by Baller69
History tells us this is not the first fracas between Hawiye and Abssyinia.

Back in 1992, USC and the midgets exchanged bouts near the border.

Today, South Somalia lacks artillery and air cover if fighting starts.

the abssynians only know how to mann their field guns and call for air support, if they miss a beat, their lunch.

The Court can call up its Siyad Barre era Triple AAA batteries, even though its tattered, yet workable.

http://www.flak11.de/Flak-4/ZSU23FRR11_4a.JPG

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:22 pm
by michael_ital
[quote="AbdiWahab252"]No I am not in favor of any Ethiopian invasion. I want the UIC to be put into check. The best win-win scenario would be the DFKMG and UIC fight for a long time and wreck each other. The winner will be too weak to implement an extreme ideology and hopefully a centerist/secular government forms.[/quote]

Aye, and there's the rub! If that were to occur, who would then be left to hold off the habaashi?? Serious Catch 22 here.

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:01 pm
by highclass
[quote="AbdiWahab252"]. The best win-win scenario would be the DFKMG and UIC fight for a long time and wreck each other. .[/quote]

This is typical Hutu-nism, The main reason why there havent been any peace in Xamar for the last 15 years

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:03 pm
by highclass
[quote="avowedly-agnostic"]Wahab

I presume the DFKMG is the elected government?[/quote]

Eleceted by who? but themselfs?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:59 pm
by Homer Simpso
INDHOCADE himself is the terrorist of this country killing over 20.000 somalis in Merka and Mogadishu area.. this man in genuinely the last warlord left in Somalia today and as long as he is with the Islamic Militia, they will never compeletely succeed..

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:59 pm
by PH.D.
Here is a brilliant analysis on REAL WAR, were tanks, field artillery, and human wave assaults decide who wins. Enjoy it.



"In some parts of the world, the great days of nation-building are right now, the great wars are right now, and the whole "age of heroes" thing is going strong.The countries around the Horn are like an honor roll for blood'n'guts: Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti — and right across the water, another crazyhouse I'll write up one of these days: Yemen.

The Horn gives you hope that the world isn't totally dulled-out yet. I may have to live like an ant in a suit, but in the Horn people still live wild. Remember Somalia?

In the Horn, war is normal and comes all sizes from family stabbings, to clan vs. clan war like Somalia, to total war between nation-states.

An Eritrean Boy Scout

Which is what the Eritrea-Ethiopia war is. This is definitely not your typical African bush war — the kind you see in Sierra Leone or Liberia, with gangs sneaking around attacking villages, avoiding combat, carrying nothing bigger than your basic irregular-warfare kit of AK's and RPG's, specializing in rape and mutilation.

The Ethiopian-Eritrean war is more like the Franco-Prussian War, or even the Western Front in 1914. These are two countries fully supplied with the best of mid-20th-c. Soviet weaponry, and smart enough to keep it running. And use it. And boy, have they used it! They've had Verduns, Stalingrads, Marnes down there — and nobody even notices!

Eritrea is like Prussia: a tiny state of hard people who'll take on anybody. The Eritreans rebuilt an entire railroad with their bare hands. Imagine what that must've looked like: hundreds of thousands of ordinary people, whole families, digging rock and hammering track for no pay, out there in some of

the hottest, driest, nastiest landscape in the world. And it wasn't because the authorities terrorized them into it: it was for the good of the nation. Think what kind of soldiers those people must be! If there were a few more Eritreans, they'd probably march across the whole continent: "Greater Eritrea (formerly known as 'Africa')."

But there are only 3.5 million Eritreans. Which means they can't afford to spend soldiers the way Ethiopia, with a population of 60 million, can. So the Eritreans specialize in defensive fighting, especially trench warfare. Ethiopia,

with the big population, has a reputation for spending its soldiers' lives a little more recklessly. The Eritreans even accused Ethiopia of using "human-wave tactics" after the Ethiopians broke the supposedly impregnable Eritrean trenchlines a couple of years ago.

The Ethiopians deny the "human-wave" charge, and say they simply understand mobile warfare better than the Eritreans do. After their big breakthrough in 2000, one of the Ethiopian generals said, "The Eritreans only know how to fight in trenches!" The Ethiopians say they smashed the Eritrean

trench network in classic manner: flanking the strongpoints on both sides, then attacking from front and rear at once. If Eritrea is like an African Prussia, EthiopiaÂ…well, Ethiopia is just plain weird. The Ahmaric people who live in the highlands and ran the place till recently,

have their own version of racism. They consider themselves the only really white people in the world. The way they see it, "white" Europeans are red, and other Africans — the ones they sold as slaves (slavery wasn't outlawed in Ethiopia till 1928) — are black.

The rebel group that finally took power in Ethiopia was the TPLF. Their best friends were the EPLF, which took over Eritrea. These groups were bestest pals. They even helped each other against the old Marxist regime, sharing

weapons, planning and intelligence. In 1991, when the TPLF marched into Addis Abeba and the EPLF assumed power in Asmara, they showered each other with love-notes and promises of eternal alliance.

But it's hard to stay friends when you're running African countries. The TPLF leaders got a lot of flak inside Ethiopia for being the EPLF's lapdogs. The EPLF

were so high on their own victory speeches they started picking fights with everybody — and when they stupidly picked a fight with Ethiopia over currency, the TPLF group running Ethiopia jumped at the chance to show the home folks they weren't no lapdogs to those snotty Eritreans.

So the two countries decided to fight over the crummiest, most worthless land around: a triangle of scrub around the town of Badme, where the border was hard to define. Both sides had plenty of manpower, even after fifteen years of

border wars, because the Horn of Africa has some of the highest birthrates in the world. A whole new generation of kids was ready for call-up. The Eritrean leader, Issaias, said he was glad that the new "Coca-Cola generation" of

Eritreans were going to get the chance to see what his generation had gone through. (Issaias has an AK round imbedded in his skull, which may explain this comment.)

While the US fumbled around doing its usual "Now can't y'all shake hands and be friends?" routine, the Ethiopians went on a shopping spree: MiGs, antitank missiles, radar systems — if it was on sale and came in olive drab, they bought it. The Eritreans, with less capital, went for construction, making their "Skyline Trenches" even deeper, stronger, more impregnable.

In February 1998 the Ethiopians made their move, attacking the "skyline trench" at Badme, the crummy desert hamlet they were supposedly fighting over. The Ethiopians used tanks the way they're supposed to be used: as mobile weapons, not the boring dug-in artillery you see so often these days. The T-55s went slamming across the valley at full speed, right at the Eritrean lines. The Eritreans reacted with massed artillery barrages, emptying every tube they had into the attackers.

It was a classic battle: one side fighting WW I trench-warfare style, the other using a classic WW II blitzkrieg approach. And it developed in classic lines: pincer and counter-pincer movement. The Eritreans made the fatal mistake of coming out of their trenches to surround Ethiopian penetrations. They were enveloped in turn by the second and third waves of the Ethiopian advance. They were blown to pieces.

Another classic doctrine soon came into play: when discipline and morale are roughly equal, numbers will tell. And the Ethiopians had the numbers. The Eritreans couldn't go on trading casualties and fell back to their second lines. When the Ethiopians attacked those lines, the Eritreans were ready: 15,000 Ethiopian troops were killed in less than one day. Even more impressive, the Eritreans knocked out 40 to 50 Ethiopian tanks. That's not easy, when both tanks and anti-tank weapons are Soviet, because the Soviets were better at tanks than anti-tank weapons.

By 2000, Ethiopia had made its point, pushed back the border, and forced Eritrea to back off. They let it go to stalemate and brought in the UN, which is still yammering away uselessly about a permanent solution.

In a weird way, everybody won in this war. Eritrea is now the tightest-knit country in Africa, pretty impressive when you realize there wasn't "Eritrea" till recently. There's no such thing as an "Eritrean" ethnic group; it's just an old colonial border. But now, everybody inside that border is an Eritrean nationalist to the bone. And Ethiopia, a crazy multiethnic African Bosnia, is suddenly full of national pride.

Western press goes on and on about the dead and the suffering. But this war was a sign of life. It's like those tectonic plates they talk about: in some parts of the world, the planet's still young. Volcanoes are spouting, there are earthquakes all the time, whole continents are moving. In other places the crust is already dead and cooled, and nothing ever happens. The Horn of Africa is like the tectonic hotspot of the whole damn planet. Part of that is that yeah, people die. But people die in Denmark and Fresno too. They just die of boredom instead of bullets.


Source: http://harowo.com/2006/02/17/the-horrib ... of-africa/


Here is what conflict looked like:

http://www.boyntonweb.net/Policy/Eritre ... 20copy.jpg

http://www.newprophecy.net/Ethiopian-Eritrean_War.jpg

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:01 pm
by Homer Simpso
Gimme Ethiopia sir.. take indhocade to hell