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where are you mad-mac?

Right now I am in Germany. Why do you ask?

[quote="MAD MAC"]Right now I am in Germany. Why do you ask?[/quote]

Watch out for Skinned heads....

[quote="DawladSade"]

were the suicide bombins a cause or an effect?

were the rocket attacks on israel a cause or an effect??

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This is exactly MY point. I believe it's an effect. Exactly as when the First Nations people were dispossessed of their lands, they attacked white settlers (an effect, not a cause). And even then an Indian (or "savages" as they were termed) victory was a massacre, and a Cavalry victory was "one for the good guys". Now it's just same scenario, but different players. Palestinians ("terrorists") get dispossessed, disenfranchised and their land stolen, so they attack (an effect). Through whatever means necessary. But the West terms them terrorists, or the "bad guys". When Israel bulldozes homes,( A cause) it's one for the good guys. Islam needs people more skilled in rhetoric to counter the skillful word manipulation of the Zionists. In summary, it's an effect.

Who shot who first, who stole what from whom......does it really matter anymore.

There ain't no good guys in this fight.

[quote]Who shot who first, who stole what from whom......does it really matter anymore.
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are you SERIOUS???

now you know why we call you Mad-Yahuud. Appearently it matters to you since ur the one that insinuated that hezbollah rocket attacked israel first or that palestinian blew themselves up and israeli without a cause.

infact ur whole premise for givin israel justification was put them in the defensive position!!

get the phuck outta here wit u hypocrisy

Dawlasade
You know, I don't care. I really don't. I don't care who shot who first anymore. Everyone in the region, Jews, Arabs - they're all aggrieved and outraged. And they are all to blame. They're focked and I don't care. Let them all die.

Mad-Yahuud next time if you cant stay objective dont talk about this. and do not think we will let you get away with hypocritical nac nac like this. we will brin u out for ur hypocrisy like we have brought it now. you can leave but i will quote again ur hypocrisy u'r in a hurry to let go off:




[quote]Sade
When Hamas and Al Jihad were sending suicide bombers into Israel and blowing up people at bus stops and in restaraunts, were you aggrieved and outraged? Or did you say "Well, that's bad, but it's the Israelis own fault."?

Let me ask you something, if you were Omert, and the rocket attacks were striking your cities, how would you react?[/quote]

I fail to see the hypocracy here. The Israelis have good reasons for doing what they do. And I am citing them. What is your point? Do you even have one?

look, Israel, was getting ready for this for years, as Hezbullah was, and Israel was waiting for the Muslims to make the first move, and as Hezbullah did, it took that chance, and below up everything in sight.

but what Israel was not waiting for was a loooonnnng war that Hezbullah is giving them. Runti who would have thought that Hezbullah would be so powerful.

through out, Isreal has been bombing at places and building that they knew for CERTAIN that Hezbullah was not there, so these killing was just a way TO GET RID OF THE NEXT GENERATION OF HEZBULLAHS.

"but what Israel was not waiting for was a loooonnnng war that Hezbullah is giving them. Runti who would have thought that Hezbullah would be so powerful. "

Now you are on to something. I think Israel expected that they could significantly impact on Hizbollahs capability through air strikes. That has not happened and forced a widening ground campaign.

I also agree that the intent is to make the operation so painful for the civilian backbone of Hizbollah that they will cease supporting the orgnination. That will likely not work, forcing the Israelis to ethnically cleanse southern Lebanon or occupy it and turn it over to a chapter 7 peacemaking force.

As like any war, the actors always and most likely feel that the war would be a little touch on the enemy and it would end fast, but it always turns out to be wrong, and the war lasts for months then turns to years.


I mean today, the US, France, British, Syria, and Iran are all waiting for a call or a sign, to go into war.


there is no way any of the actors of this war can hope for a imediat ceasefire, because its a long way before any one would stop firing.

"As like any war, the actors always and most likely feel that the war would be a little touch on the enemy and it would end fast, but it always turns out to be wrong, and the war lasts for months then turns to years. "

This is not always true, but it is not infrequent that one or both sides miscalculates. For a meaningful analysis of this problem, we should look at this from the Hizbollah viewpoint. Why did Hizbollah initiate hostilities? What does Hizbollah hope to achieve? Clearly Hizbollah knows that even if it can achieve its long term objective of destroying Israel (and I think they realize that that is unrealistic) that would take a VERY long time and a LOT of their own blood. Did Hizbollah initiate this conflict with the intent of starting a general war? Or were they driven by their main sponsor, Iran? And if so, why?

To me the answer is obvious. Iran initiated this conflict in order to draw world attention away from its nuclear program. Iran was well aware that the US would support Israels response against Hizbollah, whatever that was. Therefore, no matter how things shook out, the US was going to lose even more political capital in the world in general, and the Islamic world in particular, thus making it even more difficult for the US to put pressure on Iran politically through the UN. In other words, this fight isn't about Lebanon or Israel at all. It's about Iran.


"I mean today, the US, France, British, Syria, and Iran are all waiting for a call or a sign, to go into war. "

Most certainly none of these states wants a general conflict. The US is knee deep in Iraq, France doesn't want a real fight with anyone anymore, and Syria and Iran know that a war with the US and or Israel would mean their economic destruction. Their economies are rocky as it is, so serious economic disruption could well mean a change in government in either country - and they know it. So I don't think anyone is seeking open conflict at this point.

"there is no way any of the actors of this war can hope for a imediat ceasefire, because its a long way before any one would stop firing."

I don't think the Iranians want an immediate ceasefire. They will wait until the nuclear issue has receded, and then press Hizbollah to seek a ceasefire.