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Postby fagash_killer » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:54 pm

[quote="MAD MAC"]"their are differences here, 1 iraq is invaded, so during an occupation are ofcourse their's violence, 2 Violence in America is much worse than almost anywhere else, violence are also a part of American culture. "

We occupied Germany and there was no violence. We occupied Japan and there was no violence. We occupied Haiti and there was no violence. You seem to think that occupation and violence have to go hand in hand.

"Violence is present everywhere, it ranges from the family core over the neighborhood, communities and schools to the media. Especially young people are influenced by the violence demonstrated in the media. Above all, television and films have a high violence potential. People get overwhelmed by violent acts. Kids and young adults may get out of touch with reality. Some of them are not able to differentiate between right and wrong, good and bad any more. Experts believe that of the 25,000 murders committed in the USA every year, at least half are due to the influence and desensitizing effects of media violence. "

Don't disagree. For historical and social reasons, the US has a more violent culture than many others.

"Violent Crime is the sum of murder, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Rates refer to the number of arrests made per 100,000 inhabitants belonging to the prescribed age group. and than im talking about ages between 14 and 24, you was talking about rape in somalia, but in america is nothing new, dude, war&violence is just part of ur culture, nowonder why you like to invade other mans country, its you who brought violence to the world, its you who made nuclair weopons, and the first one who used it, zionists are just an cancer to the world. "

Again, don't disagree. Now, think hard about why there is so much violence throughout most of the Islamic world. And why religion plays such a big part in that violence.[/quote]

We occupied Germany and there was no violence. We occupied Japan and there was no violence. We occupied Haiti and there was no violence. You seem to think that occupation and violence have to go hand in hand.

Germany was divided into three zones of occupation, an American, a British, and a Soviet one, and each zone was ruled by the Commander-in-Chief of the respective occupational forces. (Later a French zone was added.) but why should their violence, esp when these other eu countries are watching, remember that america in that time wasnt an superpower of now, but it was beginning of their american dream,remember that america, wanted to show the world that they love freedom, and they wanted ofcourse to go in history that they freed europe of the nazis, so why should their violence, when the country is in chaos.

Violent Crime is the sum of murder, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Rates refer to the number of arrests made per 100,000 inhabitants belonging to the prescribed age group. and than im talking about ages between 14 and 24, you was talking about rape in somalia, but in america is nothing new, dude, war&violence is just part of ur culture, nowonder why you like to invade other mans country, its you who brought violence to the world, its you who made nuclair weopons, and the first one who used it, zionists are just an cancer to the world. "

Again, don't disagree. Now, think hard about why there is so much violence throughout most of the Islamic world. And why religion plays such a big part in that violence

cuss those zionists created arab/islamic puppets, and ofcourse their citizens wont tolerant that, see somalia iran(1979) etc. and those who are an treath to the zionists state, like iraq saddam, lebanon hizbollah, syria, iran, they will invade it, and if its not necessry they will use divide and rule strategy, like they did to iraq and iran, they used saddam against iran, cuss the shahs who had an close alliance with the western world, were beeing defeated, and an new islamic revolution was born, and ofcourse they want to stop that, ask ur self did iran ore iraq ore any of those islamic countries invaded othe country,cuss of religion, no ask ur self why want iran to make their nukes, cuss they know how those zionists are, they use their media, to brainwash other ppl, esp in america, so i dont really blaim you if fall in their tricks, im not saying here in western world is it better, but its way better than in america
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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:04 pm

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If you think living in the Middle East or East Africa is better than living in America, I have some property around Dhusa Mareb I was to sell you.

In this fight between western liberalism and Islamic ideals, Islam has to lose. You can't go backwards, which is what this Islamic movement is all about. Also, it is about restricting freedoms, not increasing them. It is doomed. At the end of the day, people don't want governmetn, Islamic or otherwise, telling them how to live.

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Postby Caana-Nuug » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:15 pm

Mad,

Are you saying that the U.S. government does not tell its citizens how they should live? I'll give you 1 example; every working legal resident of the U.S. has to pay a hefty extortation (tax) to the U.S. government for absolutely no reason, isn't that telling people how they should live?

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:20 pm

"Are you saying that the U.S. government does not tell its citizens how they should live? I'll give you 1 example; every working legal resident of the U.S. has to pay a hefty extortation (tax) to the U.S. government for absolutely no reason, isn't that telling people how they should live? "

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Of course, but it's a question of degrees. Islamic governance is the most restrictive, most joyless, most intrusive kind of governnce the world knows outside of perhaps North Korea and Communist China.

Even in the US, where people enjoy considerable freedoms, they chaff for more, as well they should. Who wants to live in a society where government is directing every aspect of your life and structuring your daily routine?

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Postby Galol » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:28 pm

I know! Evil bleeding americans going there and destroying all our wonderful skyscrapers, freshly laid roads and great centres of learning!

Death To America the Great satan!

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Postby DawladSade » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:34 pm

As if there is anything in Somalia to captivate American interest for even a second. Arrow

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Postby Alluring » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:43 pm

[quote="Galol"]I know! Evil bleeding americans going there and destroying all our wonderful skyscrapers, freshly laid roads and great centres of learning!

Death To America the Great satan![/quote]

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Postby Sakhraan » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:48 pm

I heard that the Americans bombed a camel caravan in Mudug yesterday Shocked

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Postby Galol » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:55 pm

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Please use words. I am too old to get face thingies.

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Postby Alluring » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:56 pm

[quote="Galol"]Alluring

Please use words. I am too old to get face thingies.[/quote]

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Postby Galol » Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:39 pm

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I am upset with you now. How can I get those chitty things? and what the fock do they mean except the laughter ones?

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Postby tripping tiger » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:17 pm

The U.S wants to destroy Somalia? This title is misleading.

Which Somalia?

UIC doesn't represent Somalia, but are tribally exclussive to Ayr tribe of habar-gedir. These are the same people who destroyed Somalia especially the hawiya regions, and are you telling me they suddenly found God and religion? Or, they are representative of all Somalia? The Somalis should get rid of all these old generation tribal warriors whether they carry a false religious flag like the UIC, or simply tribal slogans. We have young educated Somalis of all tribal backgrounds who can build Somalia to prosperity and peace. The Americans should support these youths, and the old warriors should be all captured and charged with crimes against humanity.

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Postby musika man » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:38 pm

[quote="tripping tiger"]The U.S wants to destroy Somalia? This title is misleading.

Which Somalia?

UIC doesn't represent Somalia, but are tribally exclussive to Ayr tribe of habar-gedir. These are the same people who destroyed Somalia especially the hawiya regions, and are you telling me they suddenly found God and religion? Or, they are representative of all Somalia? The Somalis should get rid of all these old generation tribal warriors whether they carry a false religious flag like the UIC, or simply tribal slogans. We have young educated Somalis of all tribal backgrounds who can build Somalia to prosperity and peace. The Americans should support these youths, and the old warriors should be all captured and charged with crimes against humanity.[/quote]

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Hawiye people just found out they are muslims.

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Postby Galol » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:58 pm

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Heart warming. Now could you cut the crap and come up with some useful stuff like how you want all this niceness to happen?

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Postby Dudaaye » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:13 pm

"In this fight between western liberalism and Islamic ideals, Islam has to lose. You can't go backwards, which is what this Islamic movement is all about. Also, it is about restricting freedoms, not increasing them. It is doomed."


Muslims Can't Live Without Islam. They would prefer Death or extintion, rather than surrendering to Western culture and values

________--------------Sayyid Qutb: Islam's Philosophical Foundations----__


--Western values are commonly understood as liberal democratic; they include the protection of individual rights, limited government, and the rule of law. Qutb views these values as misshapen philosophical concepts which are outgrowths of jahiliyyah. When the West pushes faith into a corner, Qutb argues that it alienates God from society, thereby rejecting faith as part of the social order. Without faith acting as the defining aspect of the social order, society forces itself into a materialist system of life. When Qutb refers to Western materialism, it should not be confused with a communist critique of capitalism. Rather, Qutb views all non-Islamic societies as materialist, whether capitalist or communist. He makes this claim because all non-Islamic societies fail to merge the spiritual side of man with his material side. Without faith acting as a guide, society will be guided by its bodily instincts. Hence, Qutb argues that the West views life through a materialist lens.


Qutb believes that another symptom of the moral sickness of the West is its acceptance of the philosophy of pragmatism. He views it as a materialist philosophy because it approves of any action as long as it results in material gain. If anything is acceptable as long as it produces material benefit, morals become relative. As a result, the West is directed by material desires rather than moral objectives. Qutb argues that the West has become dominated by pragmatism because it is grounded in Roman tradition. According to Qutb, Rome lived by the doctrine that all other peoples were to be conquered or exploited for the material benefit of the mother country. It was through these imperialistic means that it developed its material decadence, which the Romans considered to be a glorious achievement. Because anything was permissible in the acquisition of this glory, morals were expendable and relative. Following the Roman tradition of imperialism, Qutb claims that the West has disregarded morality in its quest for material progress.44


Qutb argues that the WestÂ’s materialist philosophy has led it to a state of animalism. Western values are animal values because they fail to elevate man above the materialist level of the animals. Just as animals govern themselves by material impulse, so does the West. Qutb points to Western families, sexuality, capitalism, freedom, and natural law as evidence of its animalist values.


According to Qutb, the WestÂ’s conception of the world as entirely sensory is another manifestation of its materialist philosophy. By denying manÂ’s spiritual senses, man lowers himself to the level of the animals. Qutb claims that this materialist thinking "drags man back to an irrational existenceÂ…What is peddled as Â’progressive thoughtÂ’ is no more than dismal regression."46 It is regression because it reverts back to manÂ’s perception of life prior to GodÂ’s revelation. Qutb claims that despite what the West may believe, human reality is so complex that God never intended man to understand it on his own; it was for this reason that His divine guidance was so essential.47 Because of the WestÂ’s understanding of human nature, society worships manÂ’s rationality and his supposed autonomy. Unlike the West, Qutb views the difference between man and animal as vertical, not horizontal. As long as man ignores his spiritual nature and makes decisions based on bodily impulse, he becomes reliant on material objects just as the animals do. Consequently, his system of life will be centered around the material, and he will become like an animal. Although this materialist life may give him temporary pleasure, it denies his dignity and his ability to live a full life in accordance with his spiritual nature. Western civilization attempts to provide for the spiritual side of man at times, but it rarely allows it to be applied to practical life.


First, Qutb harshly criticizes the Western family. Although the rotting of Western morality did not begin with the family, Qutb believes the family has been infected with the disease of jahiliyyah. Because "the family system and the relationship between the sexes determine the whole character of society," Qutb views the jahiliyyah of the Western family as indicative of the sickness of the larger society. According to Qutb, the purpose of the family is to raise children in an environment that will pass Islamic moral values to the next generation. However, the West has degraded the role of the family. The root cause of this degradation is in the way that women are treated in the West. Qutb claims that Western relationships revolve around lust, passion, and impulse. Women have disregarded their duty to rear children and have become objects of sexual pleasure.

both sexes view their relationship in such an overwhelmingly sexual manner, Qutb finds that the Western family is in disarray. The gender roles have become muddled and women no longer fulfill their obligation to be dedicated mothers on both the physical and spiritual levels. Instead, he argues, women have dedicated themselves to work. They view dedicated motherhood as squandering their talents and abilities. Qutb points to this concept as a manifestation of the backward materialist values of Western society, where "material production is regarded as more important, more valuable and more honorable than the development of human character."50 When all these factors are meshed together, Qutb believes that it is no surprise that the high rates of divorce and illegitimate children are considered mainstream and acceptable in the West. He even cites a contemporary scandal of the time, the Profumo affair, as an example of the WestÂ’s moral bankruptcy. The affair between Profumo and the Russian agent Keeler was not condemned because it was sexually immoral; the sexual aspect was actually considered somewhat acceptable. The problem was that it involved secret intelligence information. Also, when writing Milestones, Qutb identified the gaining acceptance of homosexuality as another example of the animalistic sexual permissiveness that typifies Western society. Due to this permissiveness, Qutb asserts that the Western family has become impotent as a positive moral force


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