Caabudwaaq

[DamallaXagare]

Waaq is mentioned in the Qur'an.


Islam was very much influenced by Abyssinia as it saved the few followers of Islam in its birth. this Empire has the distinction of being, besides Allah, the saviors of Islam as a worldwide religion

Besides, the Waaq and some of the Daarod clans that carry this name, have valuable contributions to the growth and spread of Islam in the Horn. The first Imam to have carried out the largest conquest on the Horn of Africa was Imam Ahmed Gran whose troops were mostly of Daarod clans, Mainly Harti and Marehan.

In the PreIslam, We have the distinction of being the inhabitants of the Land of Punt and its economic implication on Frankincense and myrrh, which are still sources of Income for the Warsangeli and Majeerten.

[Galol]

Dowladasade

What saddens me is that Somalis are one of the few if any who completely believe in this Year Zero starting of their heritage from the (unknown) year of isalm's arrival on its shores.


Every Arab person I know including the most religious feels nothing but pride about their pre-Isalmic heritage. No one denies in Mecca that Uzzat and Hubal and lat and manat were `pre-Islamic gods' worshipped by people before islam.

Every arab person I know treats with affection their pre-Islamic heroes. poets, warriors, legends and myths and culture. Same applies to Turkish, Persian and to lesser extent Islamised Asiatian cultures.

Yet here you are a Somali denying vigorously and perhaps self-deludingly the existence of anything remotely resembling a Somali cultural heritage before the advent of this imported foreign ideology into our country.

[DawladSade]

Anything pre-Islamic jaahiliya is dead to me without any remorse and I am glad that is the overwhelming position of my people.

[Galol]

Dowladsade

Speak for yourself not your people for you have nothing but pridelessness to warm your coldest nights.

Do you know who said that chit?

[DawladSade]

[quote="Galol"]Dowladsade

Speak for yourself not your people for you have nothing but pridelessness to warm your coldest nights.

Do you know who said that chit?[/quote]


Then we divulge on our interpretation of pride old man. I am proud Somalia is 99.99999999999999% Muslim.


Nabad Gelyo

[Galol]

Ok DSade. At least you are better than Damalla. I swear some of these boys will soon say Liverpool beating Man U 5 -Nil was mentioned in the quran. God i despiar from this chit.

[fagash_killer]

well said damal, cabuudwaag used to belong to the land of punt, and like the fircoons used to call it, the land of god.

[Intruder]

Why are the KoombeÂ’ boys and girls are upset by this thread. Because koombes are the only clan in Somalia whose ancestors worshiped idol gods. Waaq which is a Bhuda like worshiping symbol in the Oromo religion is clearly noticeable within the Doroo lineage. Many of their grandfathers are named something + Waaq. They have also named towns after their idol Gods. This is strong evidence that Doroos are not Somalis and this is what is upsetting to them here. They are nothing but a loose confederacy of unrelated blood, Oromos, BANTU from Central Africa, Akhdam and Jabertis.

Jabertis in particular have excelled at the profession of scooping feces off the Zawali alleys of Yemen dumping it into Xaar canisters they hauled over their heads.

With a history like that, we can understand why you are upset Koombes.

[DawladSade]

Grow up Intruder and while we are at the discussion of who is Somali or not, answer this inconsistency for me plz.


From Isaaq's mouth, Sheikh Isaaq was an Arab man and he married two women, one was a Habasha (Habar Xabuusheed) and the other was their Oromo female servent Magaadle (Habar Magaadle). By all means correct me on that if I got it wrong, so my questions is..

Where do you fit in the Somali ethnicity and from where can we call you Somali?

Atleast from the Darod point of view, we married Doonbira Dir, starting our existence as half Somali and from subsequently in nothing but Somali marriages to today when we are as Somali and full Somali as anyone else.

But from where did reer Isaaq become Somali?

[qudhac-m]

[quote="eyes-only"]I have never in my life heard of tinnixi and tincaro.

Saying : “Wallahi(By Allah) Billahi(By allah again) Tollahi(on my Kinsmen) Tinnixi(On my god Tinnixi) Tincaro (on my God Tincaro)” - --------- sounds blasphemous are you sure people used to say that?[/quote]

Not only use to say but they say it to this day

Suldaan qudhac maygaag

[afdhere]

when these pre-islamic gods come up, i'm interested how people are easily avaialable to forget their ancestors. waaq is not a word for god but a specific god of pre-islamic southwestern somalia.

galol is very right. in the north and northeastern somalia, tincaro was definitely a god. tinixi and meder were definitely central somali gods (mudug, galgaduud, etc.) [for example, in the old central somalia, especially reer dhuuso mareeb, they definitely mention tinixi in their dhaar/swearing. on the other hand, neighbor hiiraan region is big on the ancient god meder.]

thousands of years ago, we gave a god called "bes" to ancient egypt. in deir el-bahri in egypt, one sees the detailed history of queen hatshepsut and the people of punt. all the things that detailed history shows, including black small dogs, xabag, malmal and xawaaji furale, are all but things found originally in north and northeastern somalia alone.

ask any somali to tell you their linage/abtirsiinyo and you will find names named after gods prior to islam.

afdhere

[afdhere]

galol, the arrival of islam in somalia is not unknown. somalis have been muslims longer than some arabs from mecca and madina in 615, muhammad sent 70 muslims to abyssinia. at this time, what is now somalia was a fighting society under christendom. they neither accepted nor submitted to christianity. and hence "accepted" the foreign faith of islam... because it was something a bit different however very much alike to what their oppressors preached.

in fact, there is a mosque in saylac... which dates back to 625 a.d., which shows the high interest of the somalis in this new faith.

but honestly... to me it is just "kud ka guur oo qanjo u guur" between the abrahamic faiths. i don't think somalis have made all that of a smart choice.

afdhere

[afdhere]

this morning, i found out the name of the location of the mosque is called ... yup ... beel tincaro

afdhere

[Happy Desperado]

what does it matter what idiols somalis used to worship pre-islam?

but while on the topic, i learnt back when i was learning history of cushites that somalis actually used to worship a god named waaq before the arrival of islam to the eastern coast so it has to have some truth in it. but in any case who cares?

[afdhere]

happy, because there those who wish we were born with islam. kinda like the scary thought of the "born again" christians... except those mean well

afdhere