Individual Interests vs. Communal Interests

[AbdiWahab252]

Somalis seem to suffer from not following their individual interests but misleading themselves to following their qabiil's (toolka) interests.

In my family's case, we were well off during the Siyaad days. We owned a string of businesses all over Somalia and were doing well. I mean there were instances where the regime and the opportunisitic/corrupt government would harass us demanding bribes. However, when you have $$ you can buy anything and with a Marexan connection in tow, things got done quickly.

Then things changed rapidly, nearly 200 of my close kin were murdered in cold blood by government forces in Mudug in November 1989. Our individual/commercial interests took a backseat to those of the toolka. Our love of money was replaced with love of revenge.

So what can make you abandon your individual interests to those of your community's ?

Logic dictates that those with common interests should stick together: warlords with warlords, businessmen with businessmen, geeljiires with geeljires, wadaads with wadaads.

Why has this failed to work in Somalia effectively ?

[gurey25]

A better question is .
Why has the clan system not only endured in Somali society but actually strengthened, while it has withered and died in other pastoral cultures.

i believe that thngs will change in the next 2 generations, becuase now
more than 75% of the somali population is urban, our cities are giant miserable slums, our pastures empty and dry.

This will surely change things.

[AbdiWahab252]

Gurey... I sure hope so.

Do u realize the most APOLITICAL folks in Somalia were the ones who made out the most financially ?

I have an uncle of mine: went from being a Afweyne lackey, to an Ali Nafto Lackey, to an Aideed Lackey and now he is an Afbiijo lackey.

This guy has no scruples but is loaded.

[gurey25]

abdi money isnt everything.

we were loaded too, and we never had to kiss any ass.

power is what counts, not money.

[AbdiWahab252]

True....

But sometimes you got to wonder if being a revolutionary sometimes doesn't pay.

Think about someone who funded the SNM or say USC only to have the same ilk of Siyaad return to power or suddenly become "toolka" ?

[Lacageylacag]

Having 75% urban population will not reduce clan loyalty.
Reer magaal are more qabiliste, liers and hypocritical than the honest reer baadiye.

The Reer magaal man fights for his qabiil in many more ways than reer baadiye e.g the internet, weapons, qaraan, organisation skills, the pen, etc.
If we were all in the Bush, clan wars will only kill 10 people in months of fighting and few daqar(scars). Not more than 3000 people would be killed in 16 years of civil war.

[Homer Simpso]

Siyaad should have wipped out all Habr Gidr in 1986/9...

[AbdiWahab252]

Homer... But who would keep you Jareers employed from 1991 to now ???

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Waligey ma arag nin rag ah oo sidii gabadh yar oo foodle u faana kan ka hor.

Abdi Hutu,

Unless you are Mohamed Cisman Jawaari's son, or Hussein Kulmiye's, there wasn't a loaded Hutu in Mog and everyone knows that. Ku yeh we used Marexan connection what an absurd statement and a load of crab.

If you think a small kiosk in Bacadlaha Xamar Weyne was all the wealth a man needs, then of course your dad was definetely were loaded. Xaywaan fowqal xayawaan, war meesha ma ciyaal yaryar baad u sheekeynaysaa nacal sinjak, naga beenta

[Basra-]

'Xaywaan fowqal xayawaan, war meesha ma ciyaal yaryar baad u sheekeynaysaa nacal sinjak, naga beenta '



Sir Lugooyo-- are you alright dear??

[Cilmiile]

Sir Luggooyo

If anyone had money in Xamar it was they. Siyaad Barre massively funded them to use them as a bulwark against Majeerteens.

By 1989 the Hawiye were smelling blood. They saw that the Siyaad Regime was tottering after fighting years of draining guerrila wars.

They figured that they can actually take power. Abdiwahaab is being disingenuous about the death of 200 Habar Gidirs in the dusty deserts of Mugdi Mudug firing up his people. The plans were already set and in motion by that time. 10 Habar Gidirs die playing jar in mudug without anyone noticing never mind their deaths igniting revolutionary change.

If any death could move Hawiye the shooting of their greatest rising star GAbayre would have had them breathing down Siyaad's neck.

Hawiye had money, influence and relative freedom from opprression in Siyaaad's Somalia. But they found it unsatisfactory to enjoy their wealth at the sufferance of Daarood. they wanted the power and the wealth.

That is why Cabdiqaasim Salaad, an Eternal minister was holding meeting where he was recorded inciting the Hawiye to attack the Daarood. He gave a long and detailed lecture about the Daarood always usurping what the rightful positions and wealth of the Hawiye. The only reason he said that the Daarood became so influential in the Italian Trusteeship administrtion and the Somali parliamnertary goverments was because they joined the British MIlitary Administration as soldiers and clerks in the forties; that the Daarood enjoyed no inherent and innate superiority over the Hawiye. etc etc.

[Cawar]

"10 Habar Gidirs die playing jar in mudug without anyone noticing never mind their deaths igniting revolutionary change."

[Sir-Luggoyo]

[quote="Cilmiile"]Sir Luggooyo

If anyone had money in Xamar it was they.

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I have to take that statement as sarcasm at it's best, unless of course you are setting standards for the nature of wealth, and Kiosk being the epicenter of Abdi Hutu's ilk.

[Cilmiile]

war ninyow anigaad tidhi hawiyaad neceb tahay. Dembigaagii baad dusha iga saartay dhalfadaada wase

[Sir-Luggoyo]

[quote="Cilmiile"]

war ninyow anigaad tidhi hawiyaad neceb tahay. Dembigaagii baad dusha iga saartay dhalfadaada wase

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Welcome to the club. Imisay i lahaayeen anigaba Hawiyuhuu necebyahay. I passed that litmus test by the grace of the UIC inception, then I became the Champion of the Hutu nation. War wallaahaadaan dhinacna uga baxsanayn ummaddan