Al-Qaida-imagination or real?

[PH.D.]

Does the much feared 'Al-Qaida' group really exist or is pgment of Western imagination? i think Al-qaida cannot be termed as an organization but a loose collection of people who have little in common. there more of phantom group rather then a established organization. An Organization being defined as a '"a tight knit group of people who have clear cut objectivs, functions, and goals".


therefore, al-qaida is not an organization, whitch makes them more harder to deal with and slick. i mean they dont have visible bunkers, command centers, supply lines, or communication posts. They are not an organization. So did the White House create a ghost entity?, i think so.

[Gedo_Boy]

I think Donald Rumsfeld gave the most succinct answer to this question:


"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."


- Donald Rumsfeld

[PH.D.]

Well, part of the reason why Rumsfeld was dismissed was the he could not articulate this supposedly evil and monstrous organization. Rumsfeld FAILD in exposing this ghost group, in which billions of our tax money have been wasted. In American media Al-Qaeda is presented as a enemy that is out there and that could be reached if only Congress approves more cash. Thats not true. I suspect this 'Al-Qaida' does not exist, and if it does exist then there not your typical average organization.


Take for example Tammil-Elaam of Sri Lanka, Hezbolla of Lebanon, or the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), what all those organizations have in common is the ability to formulate policy, have heirarchial structure, have a master plan, and implement those plans in consisten fashion, furthermore, they have what is termed as a 'base', which is a physical place where they launch their operations. Al-Qaida does not conform to those practices or guidelines. Its a ghost, or simply bad nightmare in a dream.

Its much said that Bin Laden is the chairman of 'Al-Qaida', BUT he does not go into battle with his soldiers or direct it for that matter, he does not have foreign relations or recieve them, and most of all he, does not have a base in which to launch his operations, of course other then using Afghani teenagers in ambushes, and even that local Afgani battalion leaders undertake that job for the sake of Afghani nationalism, not for 'Al-Qaida'.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

PHD
It is as much an ideology as a group, but it is a group with a structure that provides resourcing to extremists to conduct attacks against western interests.

[PH.D.]

[quote="MAD MAC"]PHD
It is as much an ideology as a group, but it is a group with a structure that provides resourcing to extremists to conduct attacks against western interests.[/quote]

MM

I dont think Al-qaida exists. Maybe there are few extremists who dislike the west and who take action on individual level, not organizational level. No group is in the jungle or desert who labels themeselves as 'al-qaida'. They simply dont exist. And half of the American GDP spent on searching them could not unearth them. so they must not be a organization, but a loose collection of people who have live in common, who dont take orders from a centralized authority, and there are no rewards or punishments for not following policy, since these are typical characteristics any1 would find in most organizations. therefore Al-Qaida is a hoax, more of a percetion problem then a real entity.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

PH.D
The name Al Qaeda was created by Al Zawahiri and Bin Laden. It was a very structured organization, but it operates now in a very decentralized manner. But it does exist as both a structure and an idea.

[Kamal35]

I'm partially agree with PH.D. Anyone crazy enough to bomb himself in order to kill some guys around will be reivindicated by Al Qaida as one of 'its' members.

The guys who blasted the trains in Madrid were all them from Morocco, from a so-called Salafist Group of Salvation. But Al Qaida claimed to be behind the attacks. You know, any attack against Western interests will be reivindicated by Al Qaida. They have the motto: "Feel free to do what you want, we'll say it was us who did it".

[gurey25]

I do not believe that Alqaida exists.

i thinks is a new boogeyman to scare kids.

[musika man]

^^^^^

alqaeda exists and are former american created mercenaries in afghanistan hired to fight against the russians. now they are anti america and anti west and spread their ideology to many ignorant muslims. they advance american interests. like the hutu-courts, they believe in a continous jihad advancing only american interests.

[gurey25]

you believe everything dont you.

even if it exists alqaida would be a pathetic powerless entity.

[musika man]

[quote="gurey25"]you believe everything dont you.

even if it exists alqaida would be a pathetic powerless entity.[/quote]

^^^^

how do you measure power? ideology is more powerful than a visible army and they provide it. alqaeda---means the foundation, and not a visible army. have no illussions, the hutu-courts are led by people who believe in that kind of ideology.

[gurey25]

I dontr care about ideology, Face or reputation etc etc

what matter in the end is your enemy lying dead ont he floor and
you alive.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Whether or not anyone believes there is meat on the bones of the organization, there clearly is funding being directed to Islamic militants, there clearly is a movement that is violent and Islam is its motivation. This is beyond dispute and sympathizers to that movement can be found right here on the net.

[michael_ital]

From the beginning, i've never felt that they existed as an organization, per se. I believe it was something the White House created in order to put a face on an unseen enemy in order to justify aggression to their war weary public. And OBL was only too happy to oblige by wearing the moniker with pride. In essence, I agree with Doc and Kamal.

[muslim-man]

Its a smokescreen to justify the crusade going on agains't islamic world and in much of western soil, its used as a tool to distruct matters of importance from people