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"...Somalis like Element are supporting their chosen groups based on Clan affiliation..."

Gamadid, than if I am supporting the TFG as you say I am, than your also supporting the Clan Courts for the same reason...

...After all the Islamic Courts Union or ICU as they have titled themselves neither are Islamic nor courts nor a union, but a combination of ethnic, clans wrapping themselves in Islamic flag.

Indeed, the Clan Courts (ICU) are primarily the well armed clans that made up the now defunct USC movement. Some analyst “...observe that the rise to power of these courts was a reaction by the USC to the election victory of President C/laahi” and thus this support from folks like you who are aligned to the USC is based on clan interest and not religion. The faith is a mean to give the movement the necessary cover it needs to gain funds and support within the country and outside of the country.

Yes, the Clan Courts have brought about security to Mogadishu, but who controls Mogadishu, who has benefited from the opening of the port? Have the people been empowered?

...I donÂ’t think so! And as Musika man pointed out, so far they have been unwilling to address the occupation of the south, looted properties, protection of unarmed clans, etc. Their aim is to unify Somalia by force, and even search for Somaliweyn but not address the pressing issues affecting the people of Lower Shabelle and elsewhere.

I expected this from them though; I ainÂ’t surprised a bit to be frank with.

Oh By the way Gama


I also Support the United Somalis-of -no clan clause.I think its the best thing for Somalia.In fact, i support it because for more than 16 yrs somalia has been in a civil war & chaos & not even once did outside nation give a hoot about Somalia.(ok maybe senior Bush did shortly but Clinton removed the troops right away-during black hawke down era) Suddenly --somalis decide to bring peace to themselves & their beloved nation through Islamic intenvention- & what happens?? Ethiopia & other gaalos begin to give a hoot. This clearly shows that enemies of Somalia benefits from Somalias instability. They want Somalia to be unstable & in chaos so that they can prosper & live without competition. I say good for the UIC.

Gamadid.

I have noticed that most opposition comes from non influential members, Paltalk members and mostly western internet users often Khaat addicts like Musika man, he holds no legitimate arguments other then he is 'murder' etc even the likes of abdi sounds more articulate with his opposition, i have no problems with those kinds or those that do so out of clan affliation, its the likes of musika man that knows so much of indocadde yet so little of Afbijo

[quote]the young men who went there hail from the same tribe as that of the city residents. [/quote]

Cagoweyne the habargedir dude is not from Cabudwaaq man. Listen, the ICU can do whatever they want in Xamar and any other hawiye degaan, I don't care but they can not decide for others how and who rule their cities. That is exactly what they are attempting to do right now and I assure you saaxib, they will regrett it deeply.

[quote]I support the courts for getting rid of those faithless men who placed no value on the lives of somalis they have dominated for so long[/quote]

Are you saying there are faithless men in Cabudwaaq? If not, tell me what the hell is Cagoweyne doing there unwelcomed? Why bring 30 tecknikos to a town like Cabudwaaq and disrupt the peace of the town? Why not go to Guriceel and other hawiye cities? Saaxib this whole thing is clan motivated and if you refuse to open your eyes, then that is you.

[quote="THE ELEMENT"]

"After all the Islamic Courts Union or ICU as they have titled themselves neither are Islamic nor courts nor a union"

Who are you to Question there Islaamnimo? werent you the same little piglet that accused ICU of accusing everyone that doesnt side with them as GAALO ? your contradicting yourself there, have you seen or heard them Opostate?



[quote]Indeed, the Clan Courts (ICU) are primarily the well armed clans that made up the now defunct USC movement [quote]

What a irrational statement IF true then Both Qanyare and Abdiqeybdiid wouldnt have been the hunted

Wow! Basra, I am sold, you can have me now without further questions

Bro Element.


I must tell you, you sound dignified to some extent and have gotten your points across without display of hatred though biased and slanted. I disagreed with your "iidoor" wording, nonetheless, you fair better than many who support the TFG.

I will take up conversation with you inshallah as I like to address your concerns some otehr time.

PS: Who benefits in Muqdisho are people like my parents who have gotten their lives back and are not afraid of a bullet to dig a hole in their head while they are sleep or are walking about their business. They can make money on their own and are not interested in ruling Muqdisho or the country for that matter, so to them, there is no importance to who rules the town and what clan the heads hail from but care about the conditions of life which facilitate normal living, and that is what they got from the courts. Thta is exactly how all clans in Muqdisho feel, saved. By contrast, A/Y whom reer Muqdisho have supported when he was elected and his friends are holed up in Baydhabo interested in nothing but to come to Muqdisho with the Aid of Amxaaro intent to wage a war on these people who have just gotten their lives back. If that doesn't make you question the wisdom of A/Y choosing a war over peace, then you are obviously blind and driven by the sentimentalities of clanists. It is true that what A/Y wants and what the courts want contradict each other, and that is the problem. So people are devided. Let those who are interested to support A/Y and other warlrods with their ethiopian army do so while the rest support the Courts. Let us wait who remains for the reer.

The Ethiopian is a remorseless and merciless enemy and occupier. They will defile and rape Hawiye women, they will hang their men from trees, they will pillage villages as their High Command doesnt make arrangements for provissioning their armies. I am very touched by smooth's concern for the Hawiye women but perhaps it is divine retribution for the excesses of the Saleemaan who kidnapped all Shaanshi ladies and Indhacadde and his soldiers who have been raping and defiling and keeping as sexual slaves the women of Merka.

A world of hurt is about to be unleashed on Hawiye, the most recalcitrant Somali tribe, the tribe that has obstructed the formation of functioning and strong and central Somali government.

It was bad enough whent they were holding the country and its future hostage in a state of perpetual anarchy. Now they have given an excuse and a pretext for our most ancient and historical enemy, Ethiopia, to invade our country with the full blessing of the international community. All because of the ICU and its supporters' obstructionism and installation of known Islamist gangsters and terrorists as their rulers.

I fear for Somalia.

The Element

ICU are clan warlords with different names and different islamic existential justification.

sheekh Shariif = muuse Suudi

Aweys = Cabdiqaasim

Cagaweyne = Qeybdiid

Indhacadde is Indhacadde

Cuteyba = Qanyare

etc

Cilmiile, what you said minus few comments is good motivational speech to mobilize the masses against the Amxaaro troops. Indeed that is what Amxaaro does to this day to the somalis it rules and occupies burning them alive when people fail to produce and deliver or point the finger at the rebels among them. The Ethiopian army is arresting and torturing sheekhs as we write in Baydhabo, so the facts speak for themselves. The call is to die with dignity and never surrender to Amxaaro. History will smile favourably upon those who stand their ground and refuse to surrender while those who sold their souls out of bitterness will either die in bitterness or live to see the somalis they hated living dignified and free.

Even though Cilmiles paranoid fantasies are amusing, there is some truth to it.

Ethiopia is as anti-somaliland recognition as Egypt is.
Why Becuase Without recognition, they have the upper hand.
A recognized Somaliland will have an equal partnership and peacefull relation with ethiopia becuase of joint strategic and economic interests.



An unrecognized Somaliland is simply .

Ethiopias B-ITCH.

yes guys , its time to admit it, we are Zenawis B-itch and we are having
a jealous fit with Puntland Zenawis other B-itch.

What Shame.

[quote]we are Zenawis B-itch and we are having
a jealous fit with Puntland Zenawis other B-itch. [/quote]

Ilin aa iga keente saaxiboow.

What a shame indeed ceeb alah ha asturo.

[quote="gurey25"]Even though Cilmiles paranoid fantasies are amusing, there is some truth to it.

Ethiopia is as anti-somaliland recognition as Egypt is.
Why Becuase Without recognition, they have the upper hand.
A recognized Somaliland will have an equal partnership and peacefull relation with ethiopia becuase of joint strategic and economic interests.



An unrecognized Somaliland is simply .

Ethiopias B-ITCH.

yes guys , its time to admit it, we are Zenawis B-itch and we are having
a jealous fit with Puntland Zenawis other B-itch.

What Shame.[/quote]

well said brother.

is gurey drunk today ? sidan caadi kumaba aha or maybe he is not the hardcore qabiliste i thought he was if its the later, kudos sxb

[quote="smooth"]Gamadid.

I have noticed that most opposition comes from non influential members, Paltalk members and mostly western internet users often Khaat addicts like Musika man, he holds no legitimate arguments other then he is 'murder' etc even the likes of abdi sounds more articulate with his opposition, i have no problems with those kinds or those that do so out of clan affliation, its the likes of musika man that knows so much of indocadde yet so little of Afbijo[/quote]

smooth

you support hutu-courts because of your tribal affiliation, thereby let me tell you why i hate indhocadde and his relatives from hutu-courts.

abdiqasim becomes president of somalia in the arta-jibouti conference, and gives shabeele hoose to his cousin indhocadde with the help of aweis and others. his militia pillages, rapes girls as young as 10 and 11 and force them out of their homes and till now by force live with the militias of the hutu-courts with no contacts of their families. we became slaves of our businesses and pay tax to these militias and buy the free drinking water to indhocadde's militias. our farms were seized by indhocadde and grows marijuana on it. we are slaves to hutus in our homes and lands, what harm has afbiijo and the tfg done to our people, none. what has islam got to do with your mooryaanism? go and figure out why we hate the hutu-courts.

you are blind drunk with tribal bias.