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Why Not Invade Vietnam Too? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Why Not Invade Vietnam Too? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby Daanyeer » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:30 am

Source: Lew Rockwell
December 2, 2006 Author: Jacob G. Hornberger


Amidst all the comparisons of the Vietnam War with the occupation of Iraq, people seem to be ignoring an important question: Why not invade Vietnam too?

After all, everyone knows that Vietnam is not a democracy. In fact, unlike Saddam Hussein’s dictatorial regime in Iraq, the Vietnam dictatorship is communist, and as U.S. officials reminded us throughout the Vietnam War, communists are committed to burying America. Moreover, let’s not forget that the Vietnamese communists killed almost 60,000 American men – that is, many more Americans than Saddam ever killed and, in fact, 20 times the number of Americans killed on 9/11.

WouldnÂ’t an invasion of Vietnam not only spread democracy in that country but also avenge the deaths of tens of thousands of American men?

So why was President Bush recently visiting Vietnam and shaking hands with its communist dictators instead of leading a U.S. invasion force into Vietnam in his capacity as commander in chief?

By shaking hands and partying with the Vietnamese communist dictators, Bush was implicitly conceding that the issue of regime change in Vietnam properly lies with the Vietnamese people, not with the U.S. government. By his actions, he was saying that the U.S. government would have no more right to invade Vietnam and liberate the Vietnamese people than the Vietnamese government would have to invade the United States to liberate the American people. Regime change – whether through the ballot box or through violent revolution – properly lies with the citizenry of each particular country, not with foreign governments, especially since the price of such regime change is oftentimes extraordinarily high in terms of death and destruction, as the people of Iraq have involuntarily discovered.

BushÂ’s refusal to invade Vietnam is not much different from how U.S. presidents treated Eastern Europe during the Cold War. As miserable as the citizens of Eastern Europe were after U.S. officials delivered them into the clutches of the Soviet communists at the end of World War II, the issue of violent regime change properly lay with the Eastern Europeans, not with the U.S. government. They chose peaceful means, even though it took almost half a century to throw off the shackles of Soviet tyranny. Who is to say that Eastern Europeans would have been better off with a U.S. invasion that would have killed hundreds of thousands of them and left Eastern Europe a wasteland?

Why did Bush invade Iraq rather than travel to Baghdad and shake hands with Saddam, as U.S. envoy Donald Rumsfeld did during the 1980s on behalf of the U.S. government, and as Bush himself recently did with the Vietnamese communist dictators?

The answer lies in a very simple fact: U.S. presidents use their standing army, which loyally and obediently follows presidential orders, to attack weak and relatively defenseless Third World countries, such as Panama, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and only when U.S. casualties are expected to be low. With Iraq as with Vietnam, itÂ’s obvious that they simply miscalculated a bit.

As the Iraq debacle continues to spiral downward, sucking ever-growing numbers of people into its death throes, all too many Americans continue to judge the invasion and occupation of Iraq by how many U.S. troops have been killed. But from a moral standpoint, Americans should also be asking themselves two important questions:

(1) Under what moral or legal authority did the U.S. government invade Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of people in the process?

(2) If the U.S. government invaded Iraq to spread freedom and democracy, as U.S. officials maintain, why is it cozying up to such totalitarian regimes as the communist dictatorship in Vietnam?

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:32 pm

The author of that must be really naive.

The US invaded Iraq out of self interest. For several obvious reasons, we wanted Saddam gone. We also had to remind the Arabs that we can topple their regimes and kill a lot of Arabs whenever we feel like it. Just a reminder of where they stand in the food chain.

What legal rationale? Who cares? The world is ruled by the law of the jungle.

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Postby Cilmiile » Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:04 pm

Mad Mac,

That is a stupid reason to go to war. Are u guys that dumb?

You lost 3000 men, 20,000 seriously wounded, Trillions in cost, your economy wrecked all for what?

So you teach them a lesson?

You could have just dropped a Nuke on one of their major cities and said everytime there is a terrorist incident in the US, one less Arab city.

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Postby Mowhawk » Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:12 pm

Why America went to war in Iraq?

I disagree with MM, they invaded Iraq primarily for the interests of the State of Israel. Sadaam and the Saudis used to pay funds $25,000.00 for each of the families of Palestinian suicide bombers when their homes are demolished by the Israelis as a collective punishment. Since 9/11, due to American pressure, the Saudis ceased to pay, but Sadaam refused to tow the American line. Today, most Americans wish they never inavded Iraq.

Btw, read Uhud Omert's speech in his recent trip to the White House where he congratulated George Bush for getting rid of Sadam.

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Postby Cilmiile » Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:22 pm

Mohowk

u are right. the americans have become israel's bi tch

Look at it this way. The Americans and Israelis love the Wadaad Arab countries like Saudi. Saudis are stupid, scientifically backward with a repressive Wahaabi cult for religion. If an elevator breaks in Riyaad they have to find a technician in America or japan to fix it.

But the Iraqis had oil, money, and smarts. They could be powerful enough to build a great and scientifically oriented and militarily strong country.

Americans couldnt stand that. they invaded the country, destroyed it army so that sectarian militias are the only power left, they killed all the scientists and academics so that the country is close to being just like Saudi Arabia, the perfect Arab model favoured by America.

The Americans achieved most of their strategic aims in iraq. The only downside they are counting are :

--The loss of so many lives and huge expense.

--The fact that they will not be able to keep large military bases. They will be constantly under attack.

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:32 am

Mohawk
Israeli interest, in this case, was self interest.

But that's another story. I am not saying that invading Iraq was smart. I never thought the squeeze was worth the juice. I agree with Cilmiile it would have been smarter and more fun to fire bomb Baghdad like we did Dresden. The Arabs just need an occasional reminder of who the sherrif is in town. Even if I did invade, I would have stayed just long enough to destroy the infraqstructure and start a civil war and then left the place cauldron. That would have suited are needs just fine.


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