Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:32 pm
Cawar---Whatever floats your boat! 
Well good nite--my limousine awaits! 
Well good nite--my limousine awaits! Ciao.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:37 pm
Thats my line...be originaléé.. Mademoiselle Boulangerie..
Ciao.
Ciao.
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:39 pm
[quote="Basra-"]Cawar---Whatever floats your boat! Well good nite--my limousine awaits! [/quote]
You have 2 limos or just one?....You know you need one for the calool and another for the rest of your body .
Well good nite--my limousine awaits! [/quote]You have 2 limos or just one?....You know you need one for the calool and another for the rest of your body
. Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:04 pm
being gay is not part of the genetic code............dna which makes all proteins such as our hormones, does not make gene codons for homosexuality..its bollocks that gay ppl say to make ppl accept them more
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:08 am
Cawar
Consider the alterantive. That you are totally biased in your viewpoint because your worldview is tied to it. What if it is scientifically proven, beyond a doubt, that homosexuality is innate. That people are born with their sexual orientation and that, essentially, it can't be changed??? If that were proven, then it calls the Qur'an itself, and by extension the Prophets entire ministry, into question. You can not have that. And therefore, there is no amount of scientific evidence that would suit you. The cornerstone of your argument is what is flawed, but to challenge that cornerstone, would be to challenge the foundation of your entire view of the universe in which you live. This is why Muslims can not accept homosexuality.
Consider the alterantive. That you are totally biased in your viewpoint because your worldview is tied to it. What if it is scientifically proven, beyond a doubt, that homosexuality is innate. That people are born with their sexual orientation and that, essentially, it can't be changed??? If that were proven, then it calls the Qur'an itself, and by extension the Prophets entire ministry, into question. You can not have that. And therefore, there is no amount of scientific evidence that would suit you. The cornerstone of your argument is what is flawed, but to challenge that cornerstone, would be to challenge the foundation of your entire view of the universe in which you live. This is why Muslims can not accept homosexuality.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:16 am
the simple reason why muslim and anyone with a common sense cannot accept homosexuality is that there is no scientific evidence that can prove its innate. so its rather the so called evidence thats flawed.
why dont you show us the evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, homosexuality is innate.
why dont you show us the evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, homosexuality is innate.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:21 am
Biko
You can quibble over the evidence. I think some things are self-explanatory. WHY would anyone choose to be a member of a despised group? That makes about no sense.
The problem is, as I just pointed out, that no matter how much evidence is gathered, you will reject it, on any spurious grounds you can find. Instead of appraoching this from a neutral stand point, looking at the evidence, and drawing conclusions, you start from the stand point that it has to be immoral, dismiss any evidence to the contrary, and embrace any straw you can find to support your theory.
You can quibble over the evidence. I think some things are self-explanatory. WHY would anyone choose to be a member of a despised group? That makes about no sense.
The problem is, as I just pointed out, that no matter how much evidence is gathered, you will reject it, on any spurious grounds you can find. Instead of appraoching this from a neutral stand point, looking at the evidence, and drawing conclusions, you start from the stand point that it has to be immoral, dismiss any evidence to the contrary, and embrace any straw you can find to support your theory.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:40 am
[quote="biko"]
why dont you show us the evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, homosexuality is innate.[/quote]
biko--u are the evidence. A Wadaad homosexual.
why dont you show us the evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, homosexuality is innate.[/quote]
biko--u are the evidence. A Wadaad homosexual.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:55 am
Biko
What kind of evidence "Beyonda shadow of a doubt" would prove to you that homosexuality is innate?? What would you accept for evidence?
This is the same argument used by Muslims about UBL. The endless "Show me the proof". Then when proof is shown you say "It's fabricated by the CIA." When asked what kind of proof you would accept, no answer. Why, because the Islamists were deliberately trying to obfuscate. They support UBL, and intend to keep supporting him, while maintaining denial.
What kind of evidence "Beyonda shadow of a doubt" would prove to you that homosexuality is innate?? What would you accept for evidence?
This is the same argument used by Muslims about UBL. The endless "Show me the proof". Then when proof is shown you say "It's fabricated by the CIA." When asked what kind of proof you would accept, no answer. Why, because the Islamists were deliberately trying to obfuscate. They support UBL, and intend to keep supporting him, while maintaining denial.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:03 am
[quote="MAD MAC"]
If God made homosexuals the way they are, then how can their behavior be such a great sin? It puts their faith into doubt - which they can not have. You see Cawar, the painful truth is, that people of the book are, by definition, closed minded. quote]
..... Maddy have you ever considered you are close minded as well?? 
Lets say--God purposely created homosexual--why will u automatically run to criticize God? Doesn't that show a close minded?I mean--if you were 'open minded' you would at least have said-- Maybe God created Homosexuality for a 'special' reason. You could ask -what are the reasons? Well-- maybe --it was created to test the 'faith' of believers. The ultimate test--fighting temptations that are obviously 'innate'. Maybe God --wants his creation's (human) loyality?To fight these temptations is to be faithful to God & be a good Muslim. Have you ever thought of that?? Do you see how i managed to expose your 'close mindedness'???
If God made homosexuals the way they are, then how can their behavior be such a great sin? It puts their faith into doubt - which they can not have. You see Cawar, the painful truth is, that people of the book are, by definition, closed minded. quote]
..... Maddy have you ever considered you are close minded as well?? Lets say--God purposely created homosexual--why will u automatically run to criticize God? Doesn't that show a close minded?I mean--if you were 'open minded' you would at least have said-- Maybe God created Homosexuality for a 'special' reason. You could ask -what are the reasons? Well-- maybe --it was created to test the 'faith' of believers. The ultimate test--fighting temptations that are obviously 'innate'. Maybe God --wants his creation's (human) loyality?To fight these temptations is to be faithful to God & be a good Muslim. Have you ever thought of that?? Do you see how i managed to expose your 'close mindedness'??? Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:05 am
Basra
You didn't walk the dog cutie. In my view of God, the Deist view, I would agree with what you wrote. But Islam specifically forbids homosexuality. The Prophet was pretty clear on the point. So, if Islam forbids it, and Islam is Gods edict, then how can God have created homosexual orientation AND make it a sin? Those two things contradict each other. This is why the Muslim crowd here is so virulent on the subject.
You didn't walk the dog cutie. In my view of God, the Deist view, I would agree with what you wrote. But Islam specifically forbids homosexuality. The Prophet was pretty clear on the point. So, if Islam forbids it, and Islam is Gods edict, then how can God have created homosexual orientation AND make it a sin? Those two things contradict each other. This is why the Muslim crowd here is so virulent on the subject.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:28 am
Maddy
Yes Islam Forbids Homosexuality.Yes the Quran did not dedicate a whole lot of paragraph about homosexuality.Yes the Prophet did say it is a sin, therefore God says it is a sin.My point is--despite ALL this--homosexuality could be at the END of the day-- a test to test the faith of Muslims.Simple as that.Nothing deep or intense about it- no fear of Believers thinking God is Wrong or doubting ones faith.My point is Maddy-- why do u run to 'doubt' & 'question'? The very basis of religion & faith is --not to doubt but reverently believe.At least if you dont believe in the idea of a 'religion' then believe that you were created by someone.Surely you must believe you were created by a reverent power--greater than huamn. You can call that power God or Manora--thats your choice.We Muslim call him -Allah--the almighty, the most merciful, the most beneficent.Homosexuality is one of the notorious subjects that Allah did not spend time talking about it in the Quran.This alone clearly tells us -that Allah --has a reserved opinion about it. Heterosexual sex is all over Quran--clearly this tells us that this sin is more dangerous than the homosexual sex in the eyes of Allah.Otherwise we would have read about same sex throughout Quran.My point was to show u are just as close mindedness as u call the religious people.My point is--religious people not having your habitual inclinations- 'to doubt' religion insititutions or faith does not make them fear to doubt the faith.To say this--to us the believers--we call that Blasphemy.And obviously for you 'to believe' in a religion makes you commit Blasphemy in your mind.So--essentially what i am pointing out here is the Huge difference between YOU & the believers. You dont believe---while believers do. Simple as that. We can co-exist without engaging into Blasphemous debates, wont you say? Agree to disagree??
Yes Islam Forbids Homosexuality.Yes the Quran did not dedicate a whole lot of paragraph about homosexuality.Yes the Prophet did say it is a sin, therefore God says it is a sin.My point is--despite ALL this--homosexuality could be at the END of the day-- a test to test the faith of Muslims.Simple as that.Nothing deep or intense about it- no fear of Believers thinking God is Wrong or doubting ones faith.My point is Maddy-- why do u run to 'doubt' & 'question'? The very basis of religion & faith is --not to doubt but reverently believe.At least if you dont believe in the idea of a 'religion' then believe that you were created by someone.Surely you must believe you were created by a reverent power--greater than huamn. You can call that power God or Manora--thats your choice.We Muslim call him -Allah--the almighty, the most merciful, the most beneficent.Homosexuality is one of the notorious subjects that Allah did not spend time talking about it in the Quran.This alone clearly tells us -that Allah --has a reserved opinion about it. Heterosexual sex is all over Quran--clearly this tells us that this sin is more dangerous than the homosexual sex in the eyes of Allah.Otherwise we would have read about same sex throughout Quran.My point was to show u are just as close mindedness as u call the religious people.My point is--religious people not having your habitual inclinations- 'to doubt' religion insititutions or faith does not make them fear to doubt the faith.To say this--to us the believers--we call that Blasphemy.And obviously for you 'to believe' in a religion makes you commit Blasphemy in your mind.So--essentially what i am pointing out here is the Huge difference between YOU & the believers. You dont believe---while believers do. Simple as that. We can co-exist without engaging into Blasphemous debates, wont you say? Agree to disagree??
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:32 am
[quote="MAD MAC"]Biko
You can quibble over the evidence. I think some things are self-explanatory. WHY would anyone choose to be a member of a despised group? That makes about no sense.
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why do rapist commit rape?
why do junkies take drugs?
why does basra hate slim pretty girls?
cos they are sick. simple.
You can quibble over the evidence. I think some things are self-explanatory. WHY would anyone choose to be a member of a despised group? That makes about no sense.
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why do rapist commit rape?
why do junkies take drugs?
why does basra hate slim pretty girls?
cos they are sick. simple.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:34 am
LOOL
Obviously biko is a homosexual--i have never seen biko to be so 'open minded' to be convinced homosexuality is innate.Biko hedee--come out of the closet dee.You either believe it is innate or not.If you dont--u wont be returning again & again --for someone to show you proof of its innateness. (as if waiting for someone to validate your own sick feelings lol)
Obviously biko is a homosexual--i have never seen biko to be so 'open minded' to be convinced homosexuality is innate.Biko hedee--come out of the closet dee.You either believe it is innate or not.If you dont--u wont be returning again & again --for someone to show you proof of its innateness. (as if waiting for someone to validate your own sick feelings lol)
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:39 am
oh believe you me i dont need no convincing where homos are concerned. i believe its a choice. just like you choose to stuff your mouth with jumk food yet want to remain slim; homos gets on their knees yet expect to be accepted as normal. it cant happen honey. its either p'ussy or butty. junk food or salad (in your #case)...