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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:41 am
by Steeler [Crawler2]
Basra
We can only co-exist if both sides agree to co-exist. Islamists don't want to coexist. They don't believe non-Islamic governance is legitimate. They believe that Muslims are destined to rule the world, and that Muslims must attack non-Muslims until they submit to Islamic rule. That's the rub.
"the very basis of religion & faith is --not to doubt but reverently believe."
And that is why religion is all focked up. It requires you to set aside your ability to reason, and accept with blind faith religious edict. It considers questioning the validity of the faith to be heresy and unacceptable.
"Surely you must believe you were created by a reverent power--greater than huamn."
I don't have to believe in any such thing. And atheists don't. And their point of view is just as legitimate as everyone elses. That's the difference between a free society and a facists one.
"My point was to show u are just close mindedness as u call the religious people."
After years of experience and thought, I flat out reject the notion that religion should form the basis of social or political structure in any society. That societies that use religious orientation as the foundation for their structure are backwards and doomed.
"essentially what i am pointing out here is the Huge difference between YOU & the believers."
You don't say???
"Simple as that. We can co-exist without engaging into Blasphemous debates. Agree to disagree??"
Only possible if both sides agreed to detente. But this is a discussion page. And as soon as someone posts something here, it is up for discussion. Since people are posting religious advocacy, that immediately comes up for discussion. The more ardently Islamists advoacate Islam, the more ardently I beat it down. And frankly, I could not care less if I am considered blasphemous - but the rag heads here or the focking pope.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:08 am
by Basra-
'Islamists don't want to coexist. They don't believe non-Islamic governance is legitimate. They believe that Muslims are destined to rule the world'
?

Maddy-- i see. You know sometimes i tend to forget you are a soldier. You think like one, You sleep like one & i am sure you die like one.
'Muslims must attack non-Muslims until they submit to Islamic rule.'
Again thinking like A Soldier.ALl you think of is--offence & deffence. All think of is --who has more power military than you.
'And that is why religion is all focked up. It requires you to set aside your ability to reason, and accept with blind faith religious edict. It considers questioning the validity of the faith to be heresy and unacceptable. '
Really?

.....Maddy ability to reason?? To accept blind faith??

As a soldier dont you think this is the very basis or core of being a soldier.Where you Salute before you reason whether its Conscionable to just blindly march into death hole?Isn't the very basis of a Soldiers life--is to say--I--I Sir--YES - SIR-- without question?? Maddy --now i understand you better.I think i have inadvertently diagnosed you.The very reason for your astute rebelling against religion is because you are compesating your human 'right' --to reason & question.While believers & muslims --practice their reasonings & doubting in their 'other' aspect of their lives--like careers--civilian life--& reserve the unquestional reasons to their faith YOU-Maddy-- practice your reasonings or doubting via ONLINE. Militantly opposing religion--- & not all religion- Islam. Now i see.
Biko@lool
You are laughing because u know i hit the nail.

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:23 am
by Steeler [Crawler2]
Basra
Don't take my word for it. Ask the Islamic militants on this very site. Ask these questions of Aiman and Musliima:
Are western governments legitimate?
Should Muslims attack non-Muslims until they submit to Islamic rule?
Very simple.
Now, don't confuse my submission to the edicts of the US Army with how society in general should be run. Two different things. I am a soldier, and while I am a soldier, I belong to a certain closed society with its own rules and dictates. However, no where will you find me suggesting that the edicts that rule the Army should rule society in general.
If the Islamists on this site want detente, they could have it. But they don't want it. Ask TZ.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:55 am
by Basra-
Maddy
If your fear is -Radiacal Islam to rule the world one day--you dont have to worry.It wont happen in your life time. However it will happen in the future-- at least Quran has predicted it.

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:54 am
by Steeler [Crawler2]
Basra
You are mistaking contempt for fear. I do not fear radical Islam, I despise it.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:56 am
by The-Screw
why do i feel like i'm watching Fox News?

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:04 pm
by Basra-
[quote="The-Screw"]why do i feel like i'm watching Fox News?

[/quote]
Screw@lol Yes you are--You O'reilley Junkie.
Maddy--Contempt is fear--dont u know that? Same thing.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:05 pm
by The-Screw
i hate O'reilly, i almost broke my tv once, b/c everytime i see his face i feel like throwing the damn microwave at him.

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:07 pm
by Basra-
Screw
okkk--what news network do u watch?

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:11 pm
by generalka
[quote]Where you Salute before you reason whether its Conscionable to just blindly march into death hole?Isn't the very basis of a Soldiers life--is to say--I--I Sir--YES - SIR-- without question?? [/quote]
If I may interject
Actually that is not the case, and its only in the Navy they say Aye Aye sir.
First of all, your officers woudn't march me into a death hole and that is why I obey my officers and NCO's orders. Its called "trust".
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:14 pm
by The-Screw
i watch CNN...the most trusted name in news (?)
no really though, that Soldedad O'brien chick is FINE!
too bad she's married.

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:22 pm
by Basra-
[quote="generalka"][quote]Where you Salute before you reason whether its Conscionable to just blindly march into death hole?Isn't the very basis of a Soldiers life--is to say--I--I Sir--YES - SIR-- without question?? [/quote]
If I may interject
Actually that is not the case, and its only in the Navy they say Aye Aye sir.
First of all, your officers woudn't march me into a death hole and that is why I obey my officers and NCO's orders. Its called "trust".[/quote]
generalka so u are an Ex army guy i presume? Gay as well i also presume? I bet Jeffery Dammers is your role model or idol. Why though?Is it your way of combating your feelings by glorying on murdering your kind? A fetish?

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:50 pm
by generalka
You know, calling a US Marine a Soldier is a major no-no. I'll let your error slip this time, but as advice, don't ever compare the US Marine Corp with the Army, because we are not on the same level at all. But to answer your question, no I am not ex Army, I am an Active Duty Marine with 3 Battalion 2nd Marines otherwise known as the Betito Bastards. Ask the Iraqis in Ramadi, and they'll tell you all about us.
I wonder, why is it that you are so obsessed with homosexuals?
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:52 pm
by Basra-
[quote="generalka"]You know, calling a US Marine a Soldier is a major no-no. But to answer your question, no I am not ex Army, I am an Active Duty Marine serving in the Fleet Marine Force.
I wonder, why is it that you are so obsessed with homosexuals?[/quote]
Generalks
becauase i suspect u are also the person with the username Jeffrey Dahmer.

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:54 pm
by generalka
I'm kinda new here, and I really dont know who that person is. You should know as a moderator who can see IP addresses that I am not who ever the fukk it was you mentioned.