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Islamic justification for TFG?
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:22 am
by Salahuddiin
I'm really curious to see if anyone can justify islamically the actions of TFG because however I try to think about it I can't think any excuse for them.
There are many verses in Qur'an and many hadeeths that let us assume this what TFG just did would be major kufr.
So anyone?
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:42 am
by biko
like i told you before...
its against muslimnimo, agaisnt somalinimo and against daadnimo.
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:43 am
by COOL-MAN
wait for gedo boy, he might help you with the hadithes and the ayas

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:45 am
by biko
gedo will probably explain it from a daarod poit of view.
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:45 am
by Salahuddiin
Yeah I think so too. It just a new example how people choose xaraam deeds and qabiil before religion.
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:46 am
by Salahuddiin
Let's see if anyone answers. What is your take on this Cool man?
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:47 am
by COOL-MAN
just go and come back later to see what he has to say

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
i'M AGAINS'T THE TFG.

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:02 am
by Somaliman%
islamicaly the actions of TFG i seeing as nothing other than someone fighting for their rights against one using the religion for the wrong reasons.
what would you expect any government to do when this rebel group wants to overtake them.
the tfg didnt do nothing at first, they were patient.
and let me ask you something who attacked first..... and who went all the way to the governments base.
Now tell me whos wrong islamically.
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:06 am
by biko
walee sii ficaan ba la idiin tababaaray as far as what to say and what excuses to use in order to justify ethiopian occupations.
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:31 pm
by Steeler [Crawler2]
KUFR POWER!
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:56 pm
by Cawar
Why do you need Islamic justification??
When you are muslim you dont need to justify anything right?? just like the ICU your supporting blindly despite the fact that they stupidly digged their own grave..
The TFG is muslim, they are trying to stablish a viable government thats in concordance with 21st century laws and need to adpat to whats going on in the real world, instead of trying to solve 21st century problems with 7th century attitudes save the Koran..
ICU were made of 4 good muslims and 8 crooks who wanted power, they met their destiny and that is it. now accept your government or pray for chaos.
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:07 pm
by muslim-man
Salams Salahudin,
There is nothing Islamic about the TFG, they comitted the biggest sin in Islam by inviting a kaafir invading army in to a soveirgn Muslim land and for that they have comitted apostasy!
"O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for awliyah (helpers/protectors): would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path." [Qur'an, 60:1]
This verse is a clear prove that these men are murtads, because they have sought the help of kaafirs to fight Muslims & invade Muslim land!
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:09 pm
by Salahuddiin
Somaliman
UIC were rebels? TFG was never in power, all they did whole two years after election was to spend most of the time in Kenya and try to look important with their new title. Without UIC they would've been sitting in their rathole without moving even a finger another two years. Because of this incompetence someone else had to do something to the chaos and alhamdulillah Allah helped UIC to drive out mooryaans and stabilize Xamar and a great part of Somalia after that.
TFG are only hungry of power and secularism. They want secularism more than power because many times UIC leaders, Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys for example, said that they will give power to TFG if they rule Somalia by islamic law. But I guess that was impossible for TFG and their masters, TFG is more afraid of Ethiopia and USA than Allah. Now, wanting to rule with something else than Shariica is kufr: :
“. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiruun.” [al-Maa’idah 5:44].
Ibn Cabbaas commented this: “Whoever rejects what Allaah has revealed is a kaafir.”
Here is a list of things about ruling that who commites one of these commites shirk akbar (major shirk):
(1) Ruling by other than that which Allaah has revealed.
(2) Denying the right of Allaah and His Messenger to rule.
(3) Preferring the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is complete or only in a few matters.
(4) Regarding the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal.
(5) Thinking that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts what Allaah has revealed, or believing that ruling by what Allaah has revealed is not obligatory or is optional.
(6) Refusing to rule by what Allaah has revealed.
And here is a list of things that are kufr akbar (major kufr):
1. Abolishing sharee‘ah as the law governing a country, as Mustafa Kemal (“Ataturk”) did in Turkey, as he abolished the book Majallah al-Ahkaam al-‘Adliyyah which was based on the Hanafi madhhab, and replaced it with man-made laws.
2. Abolishing shariicah courts.
3. Imposing man-made laws, such as Italian, French, German law, etc., to judge between the people, or mixing these laws and Sharee‘ah, as Genghis Khan did in his book al-Yaasiq, which combined laws from different sources; the culamaa (scholars) ruled that he was a kaafir.
4. Confining the role of shariicah courts to so-called “civil” matters, such as marriage, divorce and inheritance.
5. Setting up non-shariicah courts.
6. Discussing shariicah in parliament and voting on it; this indicates that implementing shariicah is conditional upon a majority vote.
7. Making shariicah a secondary or main source, along with other sources of law. Even when they say that shariicah is the primary source of legislation, this is still kufr akbar, because it means that they are allowing the adoption of laws from other sources too.
8. Stating in the clauses of legislation that reference may be made to international law, or stating in treaties that in the case of dispute, the matter may be referred to such-and-such non-Islamic court.
9. Criticizing shariicah in public or in private, such as saying that it is rigid, incomplete or backward, or suggesting that it is incompatible with our times, or expressing admiration for non-Islamic laws.
Now the other issue is that because of their hate for islamic law they joined the kaafir army who's object was to extinguish islamic law and replace it with secularism and they started to fight muslims.
“You will not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger…” [al-Mujaadilah 58:22]
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as awliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but awliya’ to one another and if any amongst you takes them as awliya’, then surely he is one of them.” [al-Maa’idah 5:51].
Who helps a kaafir against muslim is a kaafir himself. There's a scholarly consensus and according to all of 4 madhabs (Hanafi, Shaafici, Hanbali and Maaliki) you can't sell or give anything to kaafir army that's fighting against muslims. A person who gives them even water or timir deserves Hell and there's not more fitting place to him than flames of Jahannam.
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:12 pm
by Ashlee~
Salahuddin
Dawlada Federalka Ku meel garka is here to stay. Calacaalka naga jooji sxb.
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:14 pm
by Steeler [Crawler2]
Look you dumbas$ focking sand pimps, does someone have to spell it out for you? You got two choices right now. Get behind the TFG and try to make a go of it, or live in anarchy. That's it. There is no third choice.