Welcome to SomaliNet Forums, a friendly and gigantic Somali centric active community. Login to hide this block

You are currently viewing this page as a guest. By joining our community you will have the ability to post topics, ask questions, educate others, use the advanced search, subscribe to threads and access many, many other features. Registration is quick, simple and absolutely free. Join SomaliNet forums today! Please note that registered members with over 50 posts see no ads whatsoever! Are you new to SomaliNet? These forums with millions of posts are just one section of a much larger site. Just visit the front page and use the top links to explore deep into SomaliNet oasis, Somali singles, Somali business directory, Somali job bank and much more. Click here to login. If you need to reset your password, click here. If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

It is critical that Muslims clean their own house

Daily chitchat.

Moderators: Moderators, Junior Moderators

Forum rules
This General Forum is for general discussions from daily chitchat to more serious discussions among Somalinet Forums members. Please do not use it as your Personal Message center (PM). If you want to contact a particular person or a group of people, please use the PM feature. If you want to contact the moderators, pls PM them. If you insist leaving a public message for the mods or other members, it will be deleted.
OUR SPONSOR: LOGIN TO HIDE
Steeler [Crawler2]
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 12405
Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2001 7:00 pm

It is critical that Muslims clean their own house

Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:53 am

This kind of thing, where a minority group insists on segregating itself from the mainstream, insists on criticizing the establishment while it's radical elements conduct acts of violence ALWAYS has serious negative repurcussions for that population group. Muslims have got to stop the violent actors in their ranks. So far, they appear to be doing a decent job of that, as this group was undoubtedly dimed out by other Muslims. But those who preach hate and who preach violence must be eliminated from Muslim society or the consequences will inevitably be harsh.

BIRMINGHAM, England - Police foiled a major kidnapping plot, the first of its kind in Britain, with the arrests Wednesday of nine terror suspects who reportedly planned to torture and behead a British Muslim soldier and broadcast the killing on the Internet.

ADVERTISEMENT

The alleged plot, said by British media to mirror the brutal executions of foreign hostages in Iraq, was in its final stages and uncovered during a six-month surveillance operation by anti-terror officers in this city of more than 1 million in the heart of England. The arrests came in a pre-dawn raid on homes and businesses in several Birmingham neighborhoods, which were mostly Pakistani.

"The threat from terrorism remains very real," said Assistant Chief Constable David Shaw, who would not confirm reports from the British Broadcasting Corp. and other media outlets that the intended victim was an army soldier to be killed in an "Iraqi-style" execution and broadcast on the Internet.

Britain has been at the heart of several thwarted alleged terror plots, including a scheme by a British Muslim to blow up the New York Stock Exchange and other landmarks, and a plan by Muslim extremists to use liquid explosives to blow up as many as 10 flights between the United States and Britain.

But the Birmingham kidnapping plot raised fears that a new type of terrorism has reached Britain, one which uses individual victims to send a message through kidnappings and publicized beheadings. Although the motive in the new plot was not disclosed, the announcement coincides with other indications that young British Muslims are becoming increasingly angry over this country's involvement in the American-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the U.S. detention camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The four British Muslims who attacked London's transit system in Europe's first suicide bombings had expressed rage over Britain's role in the wars. Their attack at rush hour on July 7, 2005 killed 52 people.

In the past year, the object of that anger has spilled over to the 330 Muslims who serve in the 180,000-strong British armed forces.

The potential victim of the latest plot was reportedly a British Muslim soldier who was under police protection, British media reported, though the Defense Ministry would not confirm this.

Britain's first Muslim soldier to be killed in Afghanistan last year was from Birmingham, where the death prompted militant Islamist Web sites to denounce Cpl. Jabron Hashmi, 24, as a traitor. One site — that of extremist British sect al-Ghurabaa — posted an image of the soldier surrounded by flames.

Non-Muslim servicemen are also being targeted.

Last year, a London street vendor was sentenced to six years in prison in a plot to kill a decorated British soldier. Abu Baker Mansha was accused of targeting Cpl. Mark Byles, whose address and other materials were found in Mansha's apartment.

Byles was awarded a military cross for bravery following an attack in which several Iraqi insurgents were killed — exploits covered by British newspapers. One of the articles with Byles' name was circled and found in Mansha's apartment.

Twelve houses and four business — including two Muslim book stores and an Internet cafe — were cordoned off in Wednesday's raids.

Mohammed Majid, 30, watched as police barged into a house.

"At 4 a.m. I heard a loud bang. I looked through the window and thought it was a fire. I saw anti-terrorism police with shields and guns. They broke windows and doors and raided the place. They took a (South) Asian man with a beard who was in his 30s away in handcuffs. He looked dazed."

Forensic teams removed items from the house and shot a video of the scene, he said.

Sky TV reported that British investigators contacted Pakistani intelligence agents four days ago about the plot. In Islamabad, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said, "The British authorities have confirmed to us that there is no Pakistan connection." She gave no other details on the contact between authorities in the two countries.

Still, the raid opened fresh divides in Birmingham's predominantly Pakistani neighborhoods.

"People don't trust their own children any more," said Shabir Hussain, chairman of the Ludlow Road Mosque in Birmingham. "You feel like you should challenge your son or daughter: `Where are you going at night? What are you watching on TV? What are you doing on the Internet?'

Muslims in Birmingham are mindful of the dangers inherent in any raid: Police shot a man in a raid last year in London.

"The police and government seem to be against Muslims and are trying to turn us against one another," said Kadir Mohammad, 18, who lives in one of the raided neighborhoods.

Britain's MI5 has said it set up a network of eight new regional offices across the country in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, including a center in the West Midlands. The service had previously had regional branches in Northern Ireland, but uses the new offices to coordinate with police in counterterrorism work.

Counterterrorism experts said Islamic extremists have been looking for new ways to rattle the West with their use of the Web to broadcast propaganda and unsettling images such as the beheadings of Western hostages in Iraq.

One widely publicized case was that of 62-year-old Kenneth Bigley from Liverpool. He was abducted from a Baghdad suburb where he was working in September 2004 and beheaded three weeks later. His death was captured on video.

London's counterterrorism officers had never before dealt with a terrorist plot to abduct and murder, a police spokeswoman said on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

The Irish Republican Army and other Northern Ireland paramilitary groups routinely conducted kidnappings, mainly for the purpose of extortion — often targeting family members of those with access to banks, British military installations and police stations.

"This would be the first case (in Britain) of Islamic extremists using kidnapping as a tactic — but these are not the first terrorist kidnapping threats to Britain. The IRA provided those," said former U.S intelligence officer Bob Ayers, now a security analyst based in London.

User avatar
R.I.P Kiyan
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 3692
Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 2:05 am
Location: Ashburton Grove...
Contact:

Postby R.I.P Kiyan » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:14 am

Hahaha

Birmingham is where i live!!

and many roads and places were blocked and shit yesterday

i saw it all Laughing

Steeler [Crawler2]
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 12405
Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2001 7:00 pm

Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:17 am

RIP
Did you know any of the actors? What are the people on the street saying? Was this another one of those "I can't believe it. They seemed so normal."??? Or was it "I knew there was something wrong with those guys."???

User avatar
R.I.P Kiyan
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 3692
Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 2:05 am
Location: Ashburton Grove...
Contact:

Postby R.I.P Kiyan » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:44 pm

i was on the bus ,man
Laughing

hehe but i only saw police standing by blocked roads..


OUR SPONSOR: LOGIN TO HIDE

Hello, Has your question been answered on this page? We hope yes. If not, you can start a new thread and post your question(s). It is free to join. You can also search our over a million pages (just scroll up and use our site-wide search box) or browse the forums.

  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “General - General Discussions”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 44 guests