SOMALIS WERE ORGANIZED & HAD A CONSTITUTION BEFORE 1900'S.

[Advocatar]

istaqfurrukah................I rest my case.

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

Waryaa Dawlad tone down with Raxaweyn insults... it's bugging my nigga advocatar

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[quote="DawladSade"]No it's not, it's not a secret Mareexaan were missionaries who brought Islam to the Hawiye, bantu, Raxanweyn, and the assorted Gaalo madow in koonfur after we left the north.[/quote]


ninyahow isku xishoow. Everyone knows you guys only came to the south after the European occupation as mercenaries fighting for them.

[DawladSade]

"Historically the Ogaden and Marehan clans took over Kismayu from the Galla tribe (a mixture of Borana/Oromo and Wardey). The traditional Ogaden elders claim they captured Kismayu from the Galla tribe with the help of their Marehan counterparts while the traditional Marehan elders claim they were the first who crossed the Jubba River and who captured the region from the Galla."

http://www.somali-jna.org/downloads/Eco ... flict.doc.

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The key word being "claim".....the dagodia, sheikhaal, gaaljecel, jiidle and others were there before that. It is true the Somalis were expanding and the Ogadeen did capture a lot of land but you can't claim the mareexaan did, you only arrived in that part of the country after independence.

When it comes to this, you're like the white man who claimed to have been the first man to climb mount Kilimanjaro or arrive in the Americas.

[DawladSade]

[quote="eyes-only"]The key word being "claim".....the dagodia, sheikhaal, gaaljecel, jiidle and others were there before that. It is true the Somalis were expanding and the Ogadeen did capture a lot of land but you can't claim the mareexaan did, you only arrived in that part of the country after independence.

When it comes to this, you're like the white man who claimed to have been the first man to climb mount Kilimanjaro or arrive in the Americas. [/quote]


According to the report our involvement in the pioneering of Somali manifest destiny is not in doubt. the only doubt is whether both ogaden and us captured the area together (as the ogaden admit our hand) or whether it was only us (as we claim). Either way you lose.

Also read here, accordin to this article Somalis are only Darod and Isaaq, and the Dir and Hawiye were indigenous groups who were added to the somali ethnic group recently. it is being told at a time when you were not part of SOMALI.

http://www.jstor.org/view/00167398/ap02 ... nfig=jstor

and the next page

http://www.jstor.org/view/00167398/ap02 ... nfig=jstor

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Your link doesn't allow access.

But the point here is, the Dir and Hawiye are the original samaale. The Isaaq is counted as dir and the darood claim to be descendants of a dir woman and an Abyssinian Jabarti. So there is no point in debating who is the ethnic Somali.

[RIIGHAYE]

Eyes, Wacdaan clan in Afgoi used to have slaves.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Eyes
The Somali history of slave ownership is no secret. That's where your bantu populations come from. Slavery is part of Islam.

[Padishah]

Slavery is a heavily regulated historical aspect of Islam, and since we have signed treaties that abolish the practice, no longer relevant. Israeli prostitution is worse than any slavery practised by Muslims, unfortunately.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Padishah
You are living with blinders on. Again, always comparing and always thinking Islam compares favorably. When that is not always the case.

However, I do agree that given the treaties, they supercede previous practice. Unforutnately, the extremists would not agree with you. In this internal conflict concerning how Islam is applied in the modern world, I sincerely hope for both our sakes that your intellect defeats that of the extremists.

[Padishah]

I compare simply because you think a Liberal Democracy is the be all and end all of everything. Unfortunately, its not. The largest (US) and oldest (Britain) Liberal democracies waged a war on a defenceless country based on a pack of lies.

Here is the exchange:

1. Islam is bad because it does this (slavery).
2. Liberal Democracy is bad because it does this (prostitution on a large scale just in tiny Israel).
3. Islam cannot compare favourably with Liberal democracy (post-faced with 'its not always true').

Either your standards are out of wack, or you have a grudge, plain and simple.

Oh, and you and I can bugger the extremists, simply because they are extreme and irrelevant.

If we're not going to bugger extremists, then I would suggest controlling your White Supermacists, the JDL that goes round bashing critics of Israel, and those crazed armed nuts who shoot people in schools for sport.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

OK, I will continue to criticize the white supremist idiots, the Jewish Defense League who work feverishly for the destruction of Israel and you work to eliminate the armed Islamic psychos. We're in total agreement.

As for your other argument, you oversimplified it making it inaccurrate.

Political Islam (the private variety remains private - free country after all) is evil because it lacks sufficient flexibilty and accomodation and seeks absolutes in a world that has none.

Liberal democracy is good, in spite of its flaws, because people can see where things are bad and work to correct them. Much more flexibility (and there is no way that prositition is worse than slavery - don't be a fool. One is voluntary behavior, perhaps compelled by circumstance, while one is not).

Islam can not compare favourably with democracy because Islam is too rigid. Let's take my microcosm. I like to drink beer and I am an avid salsa dancer. I also like to fock a lot of women. In your Islamic state, where do I fit in? The answer is, I don't. So it is not possible for me to live in your Islamic state.

[Padishah]

Well, you wouldn't come under the Sharia because you're not Muslim.

So take it up with the Church leaders to come up with some very permissive interpretations of the Bible.

I'd dearly love to get rid of the armed pyschos, but they're supported by Saudi money, and the Saudi's are supported by the Americans. So, this one falls at your feet too, unless I get a green light from Washington.

Oh, and I'd need access to everything the CIA has on Al Qaeda, the Taliban, the training methods ou guys gave them, the money, and everything else pertinent to these guys too.

And I'd need you to reign in Israel.

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descendants of a dir woman and an Abyssinian Jabarti

This part is amusing me.

Dawladsade that part of the history is blackside of our history. last year i went to ogaden iimay, qarijiqood, and meloha ogadenka and aroosada deqto, wallahi wan qosly jeray markey haweynka and aroorta ogu yearan aroosada gaalada madow. Some of them are muslim though.