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......*Analysis*......

Postby eyes-only » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:15 am

.....*Somalia moving closer to total collapse*..........

By Jeffrey Gettleman, International Herald Tribune, Published: February 20, 2007, NAIROBI
Fierce mortar attacks killed more than 10 civilians in Somalia on Tuesday, and that is virtually the new status quo.

Nearly every day, government forces and insurgents shell each other across dilapidated neighborhoods in the capital, Mogadishu, scattering limbs and any remaining traces of hope. Gun prices are soaring, more clans are joining the underground, and an outbreak of cholera sweeps the countryside.

"To tell you the truth, I'm pretty worried," said Ali Mahdi Mohammed, an influential clan elder and once a contender for the presidency. "When the government came to Mogadishu last month, I felt we were going the right way. Unfortunately, that's not the case anymore, and soon it's going to be too late."

Somalia is becoming a more violent and chaotic place, though this is not how it was supposed to be. Nearly two months ago, an internationally supported transitional government expelled the Islamist movement that ruled much of the country and steamed into the capital with great expectations. But confidence in the government — never very high — is rapidly bleeding away.

Somalia seems to be just shy of total collapse — again — because the Ethiopian troops who provided the muscle to throw out the Islamists have already begun to withdraw, while none of the peacekeepers promised from other African countries have arrived.

Hundreds of families are streaming out of Mogadishu, following pitted roads to villages where there is no electricity or medicine, nor the faintest hint of government, but no warfare — at least, not yet.

"We can't stand the shelling anymore," said Hassan Mohammed, a father of four headed to a village in the south.

There was a brief burst of optimism beginning Dec. 28, when government troops, with serious Ethiopian firepower behind them, marched into Mogadishu and planted the hope that this was the end of nearly 16 years of anarchy and bloodletting.

Cheering crowds poured into the ruined streets. Aid experts in Nairobi began circulating ambitious reconstruction plans. Ethiopian and American officials, who worked together to overthrow the Islamists, whom they accused of threatening the entire Horn of Africa, breathed a mutual sigh of relief.

But the violence of the past few weeks has killed that mood. A deadly insurgency has started, beginning with a few clans connected to the Islamists and expanding to several more. Many government troops refuse to get involved.

"We're not going out there," said Dahir Hassan, a police captain, from the confines of his police station. "If we get hurt, who's going to take care of us?"

Analysts agree that the violence will continue and probably intensify unless the government genuinely reconciles with clan leaders, who control what happens in Somalia.

But so far, there has been little of that. Instead of reaching out to truly influential figures, analysts say that the government has picked ministers not because they have any substantial support among their clans but because they will do the government's bidding.

The result is an increasingly isolated, authoritarian and unpopular government in which the transitional president, Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, is accused of behaving more like a clan warlord — which he was — than a national leader.

"Where this government is heading is so far from where the international community wants it to go," said Ali Iman Sharmarke, co-owner of the HornAfrik radio station in Mogadishu.

A common complaint is that the transitional government is not working itself out of a job as promised. Donor nations agreed to pay the salaries of Somali officials with the understanding that they would shepherd the country to democratic elections in 2009.

But there has been almost no progress toward setting up an election commission, let alone taking a census. Many Somalis say they would be more inclined to support, or at least tolerate, the transitional government if they thought that it was, indeed, transitional.

To be fair, governing Somalia, which has not had a functioning central government since 1991, is not easy. Thirteen previous governments have been formed — and 13 have failed.

Abdirahman Dinari, the chief government spokesman, said that the criticism about the selection of ministers was just an excuse. "These people wouldn't be happy with anyone in power," he said.

He conceded that the government did not have the skills to pull the country together. "We need help," he said.

But Dinari said that help had been slow to arrive partly because international organizations were spending millions of dollars on Somalia staff based in Kenya, which is deemed a much safer place to work, instead of investing those resources directly in Somalia.

"This is not just our failure," he said, "but the failure of the international community."

But many say that argument rings hollow. Security in Somalia has never before depended on foreign troops or aid.

In the mid-1990s, the United States and the United Nations poured hundreds of millions of dollars into stabilizing Somalia and they failed notoriously, leaving the country as capriciously violent and hopeless as it had ever been.

Then along came the Islamists, who during their 6-month reign last year pacified the hornet's nest of Mogadishu without foreign peacekeepers or significant foreign aid. They succeeded by getting clans to voluntarily disarm their militias and getting Somalis to buy into their Islam-is-the-answer solution. Somalia is almost entirely Sunni Muslim.

One Western diplomat laughed when asked if a modest force of peacekeepers — the African Union is proposing about 8,000 — could deliver the same level of stability that the Islamists had delivered on their own. "No way," he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "And the government's urgency for peacekeepers shows you just how badly they've done with reconciliation."

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby Manaking » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:23 am

In the end I feel really sorry for normal people in Somalia .
And the AU will finally understand that nobody can save Somalia with " 4000 - 8000 " soldiers if the somalis dont want to be saved.

tic tac Somaliland is rising up in the valley of future .
I like good somali muslims so please move up to Somaliland with us if you are tired of " Somalia socialist cleptocat MJ regime "

http://www.somalilandgov.com seek for application ( seriously )
I already know Mogadishu people are number 1 searchers of " Somaliland " on Google / trends

My God you should see the villas in Hargeisa how far they have come.
The whole city is expanding its dramatic and the infrastructure is getting better .

www.pbase.com and search for aerial photos of " Hargeisa .


Our leaders NEVER allowed foreign " peacekeepers " enter our beautiful soil .
We did it our way under the beloved Acacia tree and have had peace for 16 years .
Waqooyie Galbeed has the highest BNP of all somali regions and guess what it is higher than Kenya and Tanzania bnp per capita.
Then follows Saxiil and Togdheer and Awdal , Sanaag and then Sool.

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby Salah Al-Din » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:39 am

Assalaamu Alaikum,

Manaking, can you stop deluding yourself my brother. Somaliland is in no position to help Somalia. Somaliland needs all the help it can get itself. So lets come back to reality shall we.

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby Manaking » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:52 am

in no position ?


stop deluding yourself
already Somaliland receives refugees .

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby Seoma [Crawler2] » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:57 am

what it needs to be somaliland citizen? just asking.

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby Salah Al-Din » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:59 am

Assalaamu Alaikum,

First of all, Somaliland financially and economically cannot take on any refugees at this point in time. They need help with their own; the majority of their citizens live on less than 1 dollar a day. Second, politically Somaliland has said they do not want any refugees. They even told the ones who lived there to leave Somaliland. They never carried out the order, but a lot left. Some of them died once they crossed the border into Somalia. Now, are you talking about star wars, or the reality on the ground?

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby dhuusa_deer » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:00 am

Manaking,

Somalis should stay in their respective lands and clean up the mess rather than migrating to other regions.

And Somaliland is sh!ty place, cut the crap. People there will literally kill you for your Western passport. It's poor, underdeveloped and led by former Siyaad Barre henchmen. No average man or woman wants to live there save for the rich... there's nothing to do there. I'm perpetually taken back by Somalis in the West bragging about their regions (puntland, somaliland, hiiraanland, Jubba land etc) but do so from the comfort of the West. Why? Because in none of these regions can Somali person make a decent living. If a region can't afford a decent living, what's there to brag about?


Back to the topic at hand, this line encapsulates the truth of SOmalia "Security in Somalia has never before depended on foreign troops or aid." It's becoming clearer by the day that this government has failed to bridge the gap with hostile groups. This is indicative of their incompetence and lack of strategy. If you can't pacify Xamar, what chances do you have of running a national government? None whatsoever.

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby Manaking » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:24 am

Mowlid

http://www.SomalilandGov.com

The funny thing is the zoomalis speaking here have not been to their motherland since they escaped on the donkey .
I have been there 8 times 8 TIMES first time in 1993 Hargeisa .
Somaliland is in far better condition then Somalia.
Who do you think provides puntland and Somalia with telecom ?
9- 10 telecom companies are SL .


Face and read the reports of International Crisis Group a heavy think tank
read also Globalpolicy .
Somaliland people are the majority diaspora living in the West .
And no people wont " kill " your family in Mogadishu would do to because you are little fat and happy.

Somalis should stay in their respective " regions " and clean up their mess .
Man you oversea south somalians are truly deluded and fukked up in the mind .
Biting every somali trying to help his country while people like you sit on the ass doing nothing in some western country.
If you are not helping your Somalia then stay the FUK out of our allsomali concerns .


Back to Topic

Somalia is going down
And Somaliland is rising up

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby Salah Al-Din » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:34 am

Assalaamu Alaikum,

Manaking, you stated that Somaliland is doing well relative to Somalia. So what? I mean if you live in a shack yourself, and your neighbor lives in a cardboard box, what's the difference? You're both borderline homeless. One can't help the other. Second, you didn't refute my core argument, which was; suppose Somaliland had the economic wherewithal to host refugees does it have the political will. The answer is a big fat NO, so what are you talking about? Or are you going to make up policy here on SomaliNet?

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby dhuusa_deer » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:38 am

Manaking,

When will you surrender your Western passport? Laughing

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby Manaking » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:42 am

The big fat answer is yours .

Somaliland has taken a lot of refugees just google Somaliland+ICU+Somalia+refugees .
The problem is we are soon out of capacity thats what President Rayaale said .

So the problem is not will but capacity as in any other state .
we all have our capacity limits
however he APPLIED for more economic support to take care of future refugees.
When it comes to border ?
Oh please the Sool issue will be solved peacefully you have already seen our military we can easily beat the crap out of Majertenia milistia puntland. They lack recources and Money.

Somaliland once closed the border from Bossaso to Sool I remember lool in was back in the early 2001-2002
The puntlanders cried because they lost access to Erigavo trading.

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When will you lift your ass and help your country ?

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby Salah Al-Din » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:49 am

Assalaamu Alaikum,

Manaking, I'm sorry to say my brother but you live inside your head. Who said anything about borders?

Second, you're saying Somaliland cannot afford to host the refugees, so it will beg the international community to help? Now what happened to Somaliland being an economic power house?

Third, if you're at capacity, why are you soliciting more refugees? I'd assume you'd be informing people to not seek asylum, instead of actively encouraging them to come.

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby eyes-only » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:51 am

Somalis from the south can't even manage to travel safely to Afgooye and mahadaay, claiming there are many refugees from xamar in Somaliland is stretching it a bit. But having said that, there are many people who have returned to Somaliland over the years and that is because they are either originally from those endz or have partners or distant relatives there.

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby Manaking » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:54 am

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there a more routes than afgooye . Last I heard the Hawyia population in Somalia now holds a seat in Somaliland Parliament .

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Re: ......*Analysis*......

Postby musika man » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:58 am

eyes all analysis to the problem in somalia is based on tribalism. indhocadde,the hutu courts against the tfg. a choice beteween evil and the devil.


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