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Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Kramer » Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:02 pm

Minnesota is in the Nation news again about cashiers in Target stores complaining about checking out pork meets. we also had "the flying Imams" and other cases.
But this Mj scumbag called "Jamal" who supports Abdullahi Yusuf -is dividing the Minnesota Muslims --by trying to separate Arab muslims from Somali muslims -from American Muslims --he is a Fitno within Somalia --If Mjs don't stand up against evil people like this who are against Islam and Somalinimo --Mjs are doomed! --another Ayan hirsi in the making!

Islamic Civil Liberties Org. Revives MN Chapter


Friday, March 16, 2007


St. Paul, MN (AP) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a national Islamic civil rights organization, has revived its Minnesota chapter after a series of high profile incidents involving Muslims in the state.

Leaders of the group said Thursday they will open a St. Paul office this weekend, partly in response to reports involving Muslim cab drivers and airline passengers and because of less publicized complaints of racial profiling.

"The community here needs somebody to stand up for them when their rights are being stomped on like that," said local spokeswoman Valerie Shirley, a Muslim convert and University of Minnesota graduate student. "So a group of us got together and decided to revive it."

He said that local chapters generally establish their own agendas and raise their own money. "Everybody is pretty independent, but they are all trying to operate on the same page," Hooper said.

The revival of the chapter dismayed Omar Jamal, executive director of the Somali Justice Advocacy Center in St. Paul.

"CAIR pushes issues from the Mideast under the guise that it's an umbrella organization for all Muslims," he said. "But it does nothing for Somali Muslims."

Jamal said many Somali Muslims are new immigrants who lack advanced language skills and education "so they are vulnerable to being influenced by CAIR and MAS (the Muslim American Society), which walk hand in hand," Jamal said.

"You watch, they'll come in here and start fundraising and it'll all go toward pro-Middle East causes," he said. "The individuals involved here may be moderate and want to do good, but overall, the organization wants to push its own points of view."

The friction between the groups may have something to do with the diversity within the Muslim community in Minnesota, both in terms of outlooks and national origin.

"The Muslim community in Minnesota is very diverse," said Zafar Siddiqui of the Islamic Resource Group. "We have people ranging from indigenous Muslims to immigrants from East Africa, South Asia, the Middle East, the Far East and Europe."


"There's a veritable cottage industry of people who 24/7 are looking for things to defame and distort in the American Muslim community and its institutions," Hooper said. "Because CAIR is the most prominent organization, we're the nail that sticks up. And it's a tempting target for the hammer of bigots."

Minnesota has been the scene of a several high-profile incidents involving Muslims, including a group of Muslim taxi drivers at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport who refuse to carry alcohol and dogs.

The Metropolitan Airports Commission is considering how to deal with the situation.

Also, earlier this week six imams who were removed from a US Airways flight in Minneapolis in November sued the airline and the airports commission. They claim they were removed because of their race and religion. The airline denies that.

Source: AP, Mar 16, 2007

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Cilmiile » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:09 am

Kramer

Somalis need to stop listening to these dumb Pakistanis and CAIR.

Minnessota welcomed the poor huddled masses of Somalis and gave them a nice life. How do we repay them? By telling them they are not fit to sit in Somali cabs. That is dumb.

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Bagamundo » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:19 am

Caire and mas represent muslims in america, more than any other organization.

We somalis need to stop isolating our selfs from the rest of the muslim ummah in america.

I see the jews and the media in particular are trying to revive the old game of divide and conquered idea by employing people like this guy to confront caire and mas who represent us muslims in the fore front.

Do you guys ever bother to go outside the qbil circle? Geez!


Cause if you did, you'd know about the pro zionist media coverage on these two particular groups and how they want to demonize them by selling to the US government that these groups are terrorist helpers.

Cilmiile, just for the record, i don't think CIARE or MAS was behind the cashier incident nor the taxi boycotts in Minnisota over the alcohol. I'm sure it was the work of the media to blow it out of poportion so that they can use these organizations as escape goats.

Somali community leaders need to work with these organizations through out the nation if they want their voices to be heard. Gacmo wadajir bey wax kugooyaan.

Don't let these people divide us.

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Cilmiile » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:26 am

baga

We somalis dont need Pakistanis mullahs who are unbalanced to tell these poor refugees that they cant give a ride to a white man who is carrying his cans of budweiser home. that is wrong.

If you dont wanna conduct drunks and people carrying alcohol, then get another job.

There are other issues that are more important than this. We should not spend any political capital on silly issues like that.

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Bagamundo » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:40 am

Cilmiile, I daught if those were the work of a Caire or MAS. These groups hardly ever want to put themselves in the spotlight for such a nuicance mattter knowing they have enemies on their back waiting to attack them. I believe it was either the work of a stupid maangaab seeflabood or worst media covert plan to show the americans how unappreciative we somalis and muslims in particular are.

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Hyperactive » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:41 am

He has some valid points. Somalis are new imigrant compared to other Muslims. While pakistans and Arabs have better life than the new refugees we cannot compared to them. Somalis are new commers and struggling adopting new country's system. Thwy have to make choices for themselves and not follow any one.

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Bagamundo » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:50 am

Hyper, it's not us following them, it's us working with them to better the image of Muslims in America. After all, we can learn from eachother.

This country is built on race, ethnicity or religous division. There is no way somalis will be recognized as independent entity.

If anything happends to you, you won't be looked as somali but Muslim first.

I know alots of you don't work nor hang around long enough to engage real conversation with these people in real life but i have so understand my point.

They either view you as afro american or Muslim. Not in between. Trust me on that.

Pre semtemper 11, muslims were unknown but aftermath things have changed. People are so expose to us that it ain't a joke no more.

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Hyperactive » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:03 am

Baga I understand your point and probably you know better than I am, because I don't live in America or where i am a minority in term of religion. But what i am saying is somalis know their situation, while some people can afford to leave the job that against their believe immidetely there are many cannot afford that because they have to eat and pay rent. The trick is to know your situation and learn from others. Nothing is wrong to learn and seek advice and help from muslims. But in the end you have to make the decision.

There's some thing islamic scholars have been searching, called Fiqh minority. It's for those muslims who live under non islamic laws. It's very intresting if you read it. Islam is easy religion but some fanatics making it so hard that even ordinary muslim feels very guilty for not meeting that cariteria or some give up being muslims.

Hope the struggle of balancing your religion with everything else gives you a sense of satisfaction and achievement. And it's worth it.

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Bagamundo » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:24 am

Hyper man,

I'm with you on the job discripency. I think, one shouldn't put too much stress on the idea of xaaram and xalaal at work,especially when there is no clear line drawn. I think it's rather un Islamic for one to make big issues out of little trivial thing knowing the consequences that may follow, negative media coverage and lose of job etc.

If this jamaal guy feels somalis are not helped by these Islamic organization then why is he not addressing them directly instead of using the kuffar media to farther cause more trouble for them.

I just don't want to see us somalis being used as a vehicle to damage these groups simply because we may not see some things eye to eye.

This jamaal guy needs to chill for a moment and let the mass talk.

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Hyperactive » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:53 am

Bag we are saying the same point with different ways. The Jamal guy is just stating his opinion and isn't a divine law. The problem still there. What should a Somali muslim should do? Who knows their problems better? Shall they follow others or see what their community need?

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Ismahan445 » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:05 am

I will have to agree with hyper on this one.

The problem with the Somali community is that even if they identified their need and areas of imporvement. They lack good leaders. In Minnesota alone, I swear, I lost count on how many different Somali Communities are there. Each one has its own agenda and its own group of follower. Therefore, when you have issues like this, there is ten different community leaders, all speaking their own views. The reason for this many different commuinties because they can never agree or respect each other for the good of their community. If we had one big Somali community and everyone took part in it, we would have one voice, thus everyone else would hear our needs and problems. However, nothing is going to be solved this way, when everyone is speaking for themselves. Take a look at other minority communities like the Hmongs or the Chinese, they are well organized. Then take a look at us, we have a convicted falon representing us. Mr. Jamal, needs to attend to his own immigration or whateva he is in with the gov't, rather than making money off poor refugees.

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Hyperactive » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:34 am

Okay now let us back to the main point. Forget for a moment about Jamal. What Somalis should do in order to avoid single opinions from hebel or hebel?

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby COSTA » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:37 am

If you wanna live in Europe or America you have to follow their rules or move back to Somalia skinny motherfukkers

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby Ismahan445 » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:41 am

I think Somalis need to swallow their pride and start thinking for the common good of their people. If this continues like this, we are never going to acheive anything as a community. I know its easier said than done, but alteast, when it comes to communities lets drop the qabil. When we elect good leaders to represent us, lets not worry about his qabil background, but rather about how we can benefit from him. Lets try to look past the qabil, it didnt work in our own country,and its not going to work here in the States.

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Re: Omar Jamal Divides Minnesota Muslims

Postby COSTA » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:43 am

^^Miss Reer jalaf how you doing today?


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