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Islam and the pledge of allegiance.

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Islam and the pledge of allegiance.

Postby herndonhomer » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:40 pm

I remember when I was a kid doing the pledge of allegiance I always thought "Should I be doing this? I pledge allegiance to allah not a flag."

So is the pledge of allegiance un-islamic?

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Re: Islam and the pledge of allegiance.

Postby Sadaam_Mariixmaan » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:43 pm

yes dats y i said the shadada Cool

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Re: Islam and the pledge of allegiance.

Postby FAH1223 » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:53 pm

[quote="Sadaam_Mariixmaan"]yes dats y i said the shadada Cool[/quote]
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Re: Islam and the pledge of allegiance.

Postby Sadaam_Mariixmaan » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:55 pm

i do all the time Cool

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Re: Islam and the pledge of allegiance.

Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:34 am

This is a very interesting question, because it cuts to the heart of becoming a US citizen. In the US, you are expected to be loyal to the country, to place that loyalty above personal preferences. I am suspect that Muslims can do this.

On the flip side, the pledge of allegiance clearly states "under God", which would indicate that you also expect the state to recognize its subordination to divinity, just not an expected divine writtern word.

So the question is, are Americans right to consider their Muslim populations a fifth column?

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Re: Islam and the pledge of allegiance.

Postby Padishah » Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:01 am

Don't be stupid.

Ignorant braindead comments like these allow equally ignorant but opportunistic types like Mad Mac to doubt you entitlements as citizens of whatever country you reside in. Unthinking people like you would do better not to breed.

Loyalty to Allah does not conflict to loyalty to whatever non-Muslim country you reside in, because Allah requires your spiritual submission to him, and the country you reside in requires you to not engage in activities that are injurious to that society and country, to obey its laws, and to pay your taxes so you can benefit from the liberty and security a government provides. This is a logical requirement, and all four of the Madh-habs, especially the Hanafi, make it clear that treasonous and injurious actions and disobedience to the law are utterly prohibited for a Muslim citizen of that country.

Perfect example would be the 30 Million Chinese Muslims who have never lived under a Muslim ruler, in the 1400 year existence of Islam in China. Zheng He was a famous Muslim Admiral appointed to command by the Emperor, and his loyalty, integrity and patriotism was never question.

If you cannot do place your allegiance to the country you reside in, nor stomach the laws of the land, simply leave.


As for the question you pose Mad Mac, the American people would be able to hold a coherent thought between them, and were it not for the Media and those whose agenda it pushes, they would not be cognizant of the question, and its underlying assumptions. The American people are fed a bunch of trollop, and predictably, make the appropriate braying sounds, and the lawmakers take it as a mandate to get whatever done.

So, really. The question is for the academia, and not the overgrown cattle that is the average voting Neanderthal.

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Re: Islam and the pledge of allegiance.

Postby Niya » Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:39 am

Lol@@ Padishah! Good points.
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Re: Islam and the pledge of allegiance.

Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:55 am

"Loyalty to Allah does not conflict to loyalty to whatever non-Muslim country you reside in, because Allah requires your spiritual submission to him, and the country you reside in requires you to not engage in activities that are injurious to that society and country, to obey its laws, and to pay your taxes so you can benefit from the liberty and security a government provides. This is a logical requirement, and all four of the Madh-habs, especially the Hanafi, make it clear that treasonous and injurious actions and disobedience to the law are utterly prohibited for a Muslim citizen of that country."

Good answer

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Re: Islam and the pledge of allegiance.

Postby abucubeed » Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:00 am

mad mac

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