No army, I can tell you that, can stop what is coming up!

[Koronto91]

LOL@biko. No problem sxb. this place is full of die-hard "Candho" Yusuf supporters

[Warsame101]

Salahuddiin, references!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where does it say that meaning the exact volume and page. I need to verify this.

Salahuddiin, the Sheikh (RH) wrote a treatise about this and he clearly laid out the conditions for Victory and Defeat, no ifs or buts. I do not need to hear your opinion, rather if you can, tell me which other known scholars have ever stated that defeat is not pertaining to one's own sins.

Walaalyaalow, you are arguing about something that has been ACKNOWLEDGED by the senior ICU officials themselves. That alone is sufficient.

[Koronto91]

Warsame101,

Let's just agree to disagree then my friend! Maybe one day we'll know.

[Salahuddiin]

Warsame

I didn't try to refute the sheikh (Allah yarxamahu), I just said that war is far from over and we don't know who will be the winner. Only few battles have been fought and we can't yet see the xikma of their outcome. I know that real winners of those battles are the ones who are now in the bellies of green birds in Jannah.

Insha Allah I try to look up the exact references and post them here tomorrow, now it's time to sleep. Maca salaama

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"so the ethiopian shelling innocent people"

Biko
What makes you think they are innocent? You don't think the areas being shelled are areas where resistance fighters are living and where the people living there are giving succor to those resistance fighters?

"I know the mistakes made by ICU, but we don't know the reason why ICU falled and the final outcome is not clear yet, we don't know what will come out of this. It can also be a test to expose and clear out the munaafiqiin inside or take shuhada, Allahu aclam. Maybe it's all for purification."

The reason they failed is obvious. They provoked the Ethiopians with irredentist dogma. This caused an Ethiopian intervention which they could not hope to defeat. They were outgunned. Remember Napoleons dictum: God is on the side with the best artillery.

"Victory doesn't mean that first battle will be won and we take the ghaniima. Shahada is also a victory (maybe the greatest possible victory for individual). It can also be that Allah will give final victory to muslims after many defeats in order to test them if they have the patience and firm trust in Allah in their hearts."

The ICU is finished. Neither the Ethiopians nor the Americans are going to allow a hostile government that uses Islam as a motivation from taking root in Somalia. If the Somalis try and establish a government that intends to reclaim the Ogaden, the Ethiopians will topple it, which they can obviously do. If the Somalis try and establish a government which moves into constellation with the anti-western, anti-American, Islamists constellation, then the Americans will topple that. Allah is not going to help you.

[Salahuddiin]

Warsame

The narration about Abu Dujaanah can be found in numerous placess, actually in every one of seeras I have read, but most notably in seera from Ibn Ishaaq and Al Raheeq Al Mahtuum, which was awarded in Saudi Arabia for being the most accurate seera in international seera-competition in 1970's.

The letter from Khaalid and Abu Cubayda to Roman kings can be found from numerous muslim and non-muslim sources of history research. This is the content of one of those letters sent by Khaalid to Persians (from the books of Tabari and the seera of Khaalid):

"In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. From Khalid bin Al Waleed to the kings of Persia. Praise be to Allah who has disrupted your system and thwarted your designs. And if He had not done so it would have been worse for you. Submit to our orders and we shall leave you and your land in peace; else you shall suffer subjugation at the hands of a people who love death as you love life."

Letter of Abu Cubayda to Romans (from the History of the decline and fall of Roman empire):

"Health and happiness to every one that follows the right way! We require of you to testify that there is but one God, and that Muhammad is his apostle. If you refuse this, consent to pay tribute, and be under us forthwith. Otherwise I shall bring men against you who love death better than you do the drinking of wine or eating hog's flesh. Nor will I ever stir from you, if it please God, till I have destroyed those that fight for you, and made slaves of your children."

And not forgetting the battleshout of Dhiraar when he called Romans to fight him in Ajnadain: "I am the death of the pale ones; I am the killer of the Romans; I am a scourge sent upon you; I am Dhiraar bin Al Azwar!" And this was narrated by Ibid.

[Warsame101]

Salahuddiin, I am disappointed walaal. Your sources are from the internet (that dodgy sword-of-allah site), which is a big no-no for a student of knowledge.

Ibid is not a narrator, it means "in the same place; in the same book; on the same page"

I have looked through Tabari and this is what I found. Firstly, at-Tabari means two letters both narrated from two different people. The version that you mentioned is actually a poor and inacurrate translation. He says, after praising Allah, "Enter in to the Diin or (pay Jizah); we will leave you and your land alone and pass beyond yo to others. If not, then it will still happen, even though you hate it, by force, at the hands of people who love death just as you love life.

The second letter which is more reliable and straightforward is:

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. From Khalid bin al-Walid to the governers (or rulers) of Persia. Embrace Islam so that you may be safe. If not, make a covenant of protection with me and pay the jizyah. Otherwise, I have brought you a people who love death just as you love drinking wine.

So you see, the letter reported by Gibbon in 'History of the decline and fall of Roman empire' is false since it does not mention the last bit.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

You guys live in some sort of virtual reality.

[Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah]

[quote="MAD MAC"]You guys live in some sort of virtual reality.[/quote]

retarded yankee mo'fuker

[Salahuddiin]

Warsame

[quote]Ibid is not a narrator, it means "in the same place; in the same book; on the same page"[/quote]

Ok thanks, I didn't know that. I didn't hear of the name Ibid before, and I didn't know who/what was it.

Anything about the story of Abu Dujaanah?

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"retarded yankee mo'fuker"

The kind of intellectual response one should expect from a Muslim.

[Warsame101]

[quote="Salahuddiin"]Warsame

[quote]Ibid is not a narrator, it means "in the same place; in the same book; on the same page"[/quote]

Ok thanks, I didn't know that. I didn't hear of the name Ibid before, and I didn't know who/what was it.

Anything about the story of Abu Dujaanah?[/quote]

Salahuddin, it takes quite some time to research without the exact reference A time that I do not have walaal

[hometown-hottie]

[quote="fagash_killer"]they are used and dumped like a condom both by eritrea and ethiopia what can they do[/quote]

[COSTA]

^^ He said nothing 'funny you laughing cause he is your causin